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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

whydirt posted:

What are gen alpha kids into so I can cash in on their nostalgia in 20-25 years?

temperatures below sixty

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kalel
Jun 19, 2012

if I were a judge and you told me your client bought thirty million yoo ess dee worth of baseball cards I would send that motherfucker to jail sight unseen

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
I didn't know Banding worked on defense! It makes slightly more sense now. How it's supposed to work after you already declared blockers remains a mystery to me tho

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiGPWGuiA5w
Professor and I agree: Modern needs more bannings: rags, Teferi, W6, Outburst, and Fetches
He's right about number 1, and outburst the others I just don't like so I wouldn't mind it.

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
Sport card industry is like, 10 years ahead of the baby steps wizards is taking. It's crazy money. You do get funny stuff like this though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjerjjglVBo

Serf
May 5, 2011


Banning fetchlands would be great. I could afford to build more than just Boros Burn then. Of course, printing fetches into the dirt would be more fun as a player.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

HootTheOwl posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiGPWGuiA5w
Professor and I agree: Modern needs more bannings: rags, Teferi, W6, Outburst, and Fetches
He's right about number 1, and outburst the others I just don't like so I wouldn't mind it.

I like fetches. How would banning fetches affect the power of moon effects?

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer

This is gonna be an awesome universes beyond secret lair

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

fadam posted:

Eldraine is just Chad Llorwyn.

imo Ikoria was intended to be LLorwyn-like what with the weird rear end creature theme

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




Simply Simon posted:

I didn't know Banding worked on defense! It makes slightly more sense now. How it's supposed to work after you already declared blockers remains a mystery to me tho

Just too make it things more needlessly complicated, you don't block as a band the same way you attack as a band.

I think the game checks whether or not there's a single banding creature amongst the blockers when you'd be assigning damage, to determine who gets to assign it.

tinaun
Jun 9, 2011

                  tell me...

Serf posted:

Banning fetchlands would be great. I could afford to build more than just Boros Burn then. Of course, printing fetches into the dirt would be more fun as a player.

have fun buying 70 dollar fastlands then

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Lone Goat posted:

Just too make it things more needlessly complicated, you don't block as a band the same way you attack as a band.

I think the game checks whether or not there's a single banding creature amongst the blockers when you'd be assigning damage, to determine who gets to assign it.
Ay lmao thx

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

ilmucche posted:

I like fetches. How would banning fetches affect the power of moon effects?

Banning fetches makes Blood Moon itself more powerful (since you can't fetch around moon, and it's universal) the more targeted 'moon effects' like Spreading Seas only get a little stronger, since you can't hold up your fetches to counter them.
But also, fetches are responsible for a ton of cards being as good as they are.

Serf
May 5, 2011


tinaun posted:

have fun buying 70 dollar fastlands then

Those should also be printed into the dirt. Fastlands are a neat idea, I like them and they should be affordable.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
If you want to ban fetch lands for dumb reasons, then other stuff has to go too. Tutors, cascade, and basically anything else that causes shuffling.

The last person who arguing with me over this subject IRL plays loving doomsday. Yall be crazy.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

Dear lord, a film starring Adam Sandler written by a roomful of braindead Hollywood shitfuckers who looked up 'Trading Card Games' on Wikipedia then watched a few episodes of Tolarian Community College on Youtube.

Someone call Joel and the bots. This is going to the most unintentionally hilarious movie of the decade.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Jesus why do people keep assuming its gonna be about ccgs

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Adam Sandler and the Safdie Brothers, yeah no track record of making a good film there

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
happy gilmore was a pretty good movie about golf to be fair

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I will watch the waterboy whenever it's on tv, do not at me

When I first started playing magic (it was shortly after revised came out), banding was common enough in decks that we absolutely had to figure out what happened when banders attacked and banders defended against them.

it's not like we were being selective about what cards we played with. I played quite a few games where we basically opened a started deck and just played with it right then and there, unedited. Or maybe we finally had enough cards to just barely put together a monochrome deck, and we'd play white vs. green or whatever, but it was just "all my white cards" not actually trying to only play good ones or find synergy.

You can imagine what that was like, when all your cards were: two starter decks of Revised, one Legends booster pack, three The Dark boosters, and one Fallen Empires booster. I'm not certain but I'm vaguely thinking that's about what I had bought in 1994. Money was tight.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Sickening posted:

If you want to ban fetch lands for dumb reasons, then other stuff has to go too. Tutors, cascade, and basically anything else that causes shuffling.

The last person who arguing with me over this subject IRL plays loving doomsday. Yall be crazy.
The following modern/legacy cards owe, in part, their bannings to fetch lands:

Arcum's Astrolabe
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Field of the Dead
Mystic Sanctuary
Ponder
Preordain
Sensei's Divining Top
Treasure Cruise
Wrenn and Six

Also, fetches give you perfect mana every time for no cost and are clear mistakes.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.

Gynovore posted:

Dear lord, a film starring Adam Sandler written by a roomful of braindead Hollywood shitfuckers who looked up 'Trading Card Games' on Wikipedia then watched a few episodes of Tolarian Community College on Youtube.

Someone call Joel and the bots. This is going to the most unintentionally hilarious movie of the decade.

It’s written by the Safdie Brothers. You know you’re allowed to google things before you go into a fit about it, right?

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

GonSmithe posted:

It’s written by the Safdie Brothers. You know you’re allowed to google things before you go into a fit about it, right?

Nice try, but I googled the writers of Pixels and didn't see him there.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Gynovore posted:

Dear lord, a film starring Adam Sandler written by a roomful of braindead Hollywood shitfuckers who looked up 'Trading Card Games' on Wikipedia then watched a few episodes of Tolarian Community College on Youtube.

Someone call Joel and the bots. This is going to the most unintentionally hilarious movie of the decade.

Uncut Gems and Good Time were the best movies of their respective year. You got filtered.

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010
Extra Life secret lair got announced. Sliver Legion, Lathliss, and Birds of Paradise.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

HootTheOwl posted:

The following modern/legacy cards owe, in part, their bannings to fetch lands:

Arcum's Astrolabe
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Field of the Dead
Mystic Sanctuary
Ponder
Preordain
Sensei's Divining Top
Treasure Cruise
Wrenn and Six

Also, fetches give you perfect mana every time for no cost and are clear mistakes.

Counterpoint: fetches give you perfect mana every time for no cost so you can play your cards.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

Leperflesh posted:

I will watch the waterboy whenever it's on tv, do not at me

When I first started playing magic (it was shortly after revised came out), banding was common enough in decks that we absolutely had to figure out what happened when banders attacked and banders defended against them.

it's not like we were being selective about what cards we played with. I played quite a few games where we basically opened a started deck and just played with it right then and there, unedited. Or maybe we finally had enough cards to just barely put together a monochrome deck, and we'd play white vs. green or whatever, but it was just "all my white cards" not actually trying to only play good ones or find synergy.

You can imagine what that was like, when all your cards were: two starter decks of Revised, one Legends booster pack, three The Dark boosters, and one Fallen Empires booster. I'm not certain but I'm vaguely thinking that's about what I had bought in 1994. Money was tight.

I do miss the days messing around with friends playing "some poo poo I own" against "some poo poo you own"

HootTheOwl posted:

The following modern/legacy cards owe, in part, their bannings to fetch lands:

Arcum's Astrolabe
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Field of the Dead
Mystic Sanctuary
Ponder
Preordain
Sensei's Divining Top
Treasure Cruise
Wrenn and Six

Also, fetches give you perfect mana every time for no cost and are clear mistakes.

W6 was definitely not banned in legacy because of fetches.

Serious question though, how was ponder banned because of fetches? It has a shuffle rider built right in? Are you saying because you can draw a card or two then shuffle away the rest?

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

LibrarianCroaker posted:

Extra Life secret lair got announced. Sliver Legion, Lathliss, and Birds of Paradise.



Not quite as exciting as getting 2 Craterhoof Behemoths, but some shiny Birds?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Counterpoint: fetches give you perfect mana every time for no cost so you can play your cards.

You think you want to play powerful formats without fetches, but you don't.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

HootTheOwl posted:

The following modern/legacy cards owe, in part, their bannings to fetch lands:

Arcum's Astrolabe
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Field of the Dead
Mystic Sanctuary
Ponder
Preordain
Sensei's Divining Top
Treasure Cruise
Wrenn and Six

Also, fetches give you perfect mana every time for no cost and are clear mistakes.

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
Fetches are good just play pioneer if you want a boring low power format. Modern is in the best place it has been in like 5 years if not more. Some of the cards are just new and that makes old people mad

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

I got back into MTG right after MH2 came out so I have no frame of reference for how modern used to be but I think it’s a really good format

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





So I guess there were some Jumpstart 22 spoilers today?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Pablo Nergigante posted:

I got back into MTG right after MH2 came out so I have no frame of reference for how modern used to be but I think it’s a really good format

The elementals could have been replaced by instants and sorceries. But otherwise the set was pretty baller.

neaden
Nov 4, 2012

A changer of ways
My hot take is fetches are OK, just ban all fetachable untapped duals. You can fetch a basic or a slow land so there is an actual reason to run fast untyped duals.

neaden fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Oct 21, 2022

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

neaden posted:

My hot take is fetches are OK, just ban all detachable untapped duals. You can fetch a basic or a slow land so there is an actual reason to run fast untyped duals.

Triomes are more op than shocks.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

neaden posted:

My hot take is fetches are OK, just ban all detachable untapped duals. You can fetch a basic or a slow land so there is an actual reason to run fast untyped duals.

A bunch of modern decks run fastlands already though? Just looking at the top meta decks rn, Murktide, Hammertime, Burn, Scam, Yawgmoth all play them.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Time posted:

Fetches are good just play pioneer if you want a boring low power format. Modern is in the best place it has been in like 5 years if not more. Some of the cards are just new and that makes old people mad

You said this before the ban too.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

ilmucche posted:

W6 was definitely not banned in legacy because of fetches.
While wasteland was the more obvious reason, the reason why it's the best card in modern is because it ...

quote:

Serious question though, how was ponder banned because of fetches? It has a shuffle rider built right in? Are you saying because you can draw a card or two then shuffle away the rest?
Oh, you just don't know how good a free shuffle is.
Yes, top decking exactly what you need and then shuffling away the one to two you don't is the strongest thing you can be doing in magic, this is why xerox has been the best legacy deck for decades.

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Sickening posted:

Triomes are more op than shocks.

If fetches didn't exist, the tempo lost by playing a tapped land would matter

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