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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1583112991947784192?s=20&t=xyN4Ce-f4Nud33TfYqPTrg How did it escape this galaxy brained individual that the US spent 20+ years in Iraq/Afghanistan and over a trillion dollars because of a few hijacked planes? Carth Dookie fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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i assume that's from the same line of thinking that made someone think that bringing Iran on board to support a terror bombing campaign would similarly reduce American willingness to support Ukraine
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1583234851008040960?t=8-POuFC6euXou7kDRtSoNw&s=19 It's funny, but I don't see signs of anyone as competent as Hans Gruber anywhere in the Russian chain of command.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1583234851008040960?t=8-POuFC6euXou7kDRtSoNw&s=19 Oh that's good
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1583234851008040960?t=8-POuFC6euXou7kDRtSoNw&s=19 If this ends with someone doming Elon Musk at a Christmas party, then God bless us every fuckin' one.
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Murgos posted:I mean, you’re just describing early stage fascism. Reagan’s policies were, in hindsight, entirely about boosting the government to private industry cash pipeline (privatization and defunding social programs aka ketchup counts as a vegetable) while significantly boosting the militarization of the police and the vilification of minorities (‘war on drugs’, ‘crack epidemic’ and ‘welfare queen’ hyperbole). Not to mention good old ultra nationalism. Nationalization of key industries, strengthening of social programs (for the "right kind" of people), and autarky are all key features of fascism's economic model. So basically the exact opposite of Reagan's campaign of privatization, globalization, and destruction of social programs. Remember - capitalism was one of three major competing models for society in the West before World War II, alongside communism and fascism. Notably, the fascist economic model IS a key feature of Putin's, Orban's, and Trump/MAGA Republicans' preferred systems. psydude fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1583234851008040960?t=8-POuFC6euXou7kDRtSoNw&s=19 
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What we should do is declare as public policy that no matter what happens in the war Russia gets to keep and bank all of the gains it has achieved thus far, including concessions we haven't made in 8 years. This will give Russia an incentive to stop fighting and negotiate because I am a big brained entrepenurial master negotiator
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1583112991947784192?s=20&t=xyN4Ce-f4Nud33TfYqPTrg Enough Americans are basically offended by the existence of other countries that if you remind every American at once that you exist, you're hosed.
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TBH, if they took out Loudoun County I don't think too many people would complain.
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slurm posted:Enough Americans are basically offended by the existence of other countries that if you remind every American at once that you exist, you're hosed. Bros whole political view of the world shaped and formed by the hit film Mean Girls
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psydude posted:TBH, if they took out Loudoun County I don't think too many people would complain. My closest Alamo Drafthouse is there so I'd be kinda  about that.
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psydude posted:TBH, if they took out Loudoun County I don't think too many people would complain. Somehow, the status page would still have green check marks for everything in us-east-1.
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psydude posted:TBH, if they took out Loudoun County I don't think too many people would complain. I live there but that may be an acceptable price to pay.
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in a well actually posted:Somehow, the status page would still have green check marks for everything in us-east-1. loving lol the aws dashboard really is that big of a lie huh
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psydude posted:Nationalization of key industries, strengthening of social programs (for the "right kind" of people), and autarky are all key features of fascism's economic model. So basically the exact opposite of Reagan's campaign of privatization, globalization, and destruction of social programs. I'm an expert neither in economics nor fascism, but at least Wikipedia claims fascism in Nazi Germany involved more privatizations than nationalizations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties
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Herman Merman posted:I'm an expert neither in economics nor fascism, but at least Wikipedia claims fascism in Nazi Germany involved more privatizations than nationalizations. And it'd be correct: There was a lot of talk of nationalization from the Nazis but in the end they broke bread with the capitalists, including helping them suppress workers movements and unions. The Nazis courted small business owners vote but then allowed monopolies to crush them. It had the characteristics of a planned economy, including dictating what you could produce, but the factories were still in the pocket of private industry with some exceptions like Reichswerke. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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For a case study in how horrific things get when capitalists and nazis collaborate, look no further than the sprawling cesspit that is the Quandt family.
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CommieGIR posted:And it'd be correct: There was a lot of talk of nationalization from the Nazis but in the end they broke bread with the capitalists, including helping them suppress workers movements and unions. The Nazis courted small business owners vote but then allowed monopolies to crush them. It was de-facto nationalization, the same that Russia is doing now. You could own your business, but the party told you what to produce and who to produce it for (the Wehrmacht). e: In fascist Italy, the government eventually took over everything. Same with Francoist Spain, which was basically the only fascist government to survive the war. The IMF forced them to begin divesting government assets in the 50s. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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That's not nationalization by any means. At least in Germany the industrial profits remained private, and the economic control of the state wasn't particularly strong in practice.
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Herman Merman posted:That's not nationalization by any means. The industrial profits remained private, and the economic control of the state wasn't particularly strong in practice. See my edit. Mussolini and Franco both engaged heavily in nationalization. In any case, it still doesn't support the thesis that Truss and Reagan were simply laying the groundwork for fascism.
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Carth Dookie posted:How did it escape this galaxy brained individual that the US spent 20+ years in Iraq/Afghanistan and over a trillion dollars because of a few hijacked planes? us would have invaded iraq even without 911
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psydude posted:It was de-facto nationalization, the same that Russia is doing now. You could own your business, but the party told you what to produce and who to produce it for (the Wehrmacht). Nationalization usually means control of the profits and company choices as well, which the Nazis didn't do. They just told them they had to produce X, but it was usually the companies own design, which was part of the issue with lack of interchangeable parts. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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I’ve actually been reading Wages of Destruction, one of the most in-depth analyses of the Nazi economy in English, and while I haven’t finished the book yet I’m not really sure that the Nazi economy can really be used as an exemplar of a generalized fascist economy given that so many of their economic decisions were short-term expedients to deal with the increasing economic restrictions their foreign policy goals forced on them (which can be summed up as “It turns out that when you invest heavily in the military and make a lot of aggressive noises people start getting leery about trading with you and you start having issues scraping together enough exports from the materials left over after militarization to pay for the government.”). And of course after the war actually started the overwhelming necessity of the war economy became paramount and ended up overriding a lot of ideological beliefs about the economy. There were a few specifically Nazi economic plans, like their efforts to create a strong, virile peasant freeholder class to produce the pure, unsullied Aryans inured to hard honest labor who were the real bedrock of the state, but while some of these plans were started on they basically all eventually got sacrificed on the altar of preparing Germany for all-out war against the global Jewish conspiracy. Edit: Like if you really wanted to pinpoint uniquely Nazi economic ideas, I’d focus less on nationalization vs privatization and more on the idea that the strong, sturdy peasant was a nation’s real source of national strength and power and that’s why we need to conquer Eastern Europe, because Germany itself doesn’t actually have enough available farmland to give Aryan freeholders the high standard of living they deserved. Also that sheer willpower and dedication can somehow fix resource and materials shortfalls, though that’s in part just making a virtue of necessity. Also related to current events, Hitler was really really invested in the idea of Ukraine being an overflowing agricultural cornucopia capable of feeding the Nazi empire once conquered (which was an issue because food was actually becoming a serious issue in Germany and the conquered territories), and he had some real trouble believing his administrators when they got there and reported that no, it really wasn’t right now, not after the Holodomor. Tomn fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Gaius Marius posted:When was the last time a country started blowing their own dams to stop an advance, The Japanese Invasion of China? This is an invading army blowing a dam to cover their retreat, pack of murderous loonies. That nuclear plant has been powered down for a few weeks and we wont get a Chernobyl level event even if it runs out of water.
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Just Another Lurker posted:That nuclear plant has been powered down for a few weeks and we wont get a Chernobyl level event even if it runs out of water. It does however leave the plant offline and inoperable as winter sets in.
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Just Another Lurker posted:This is an invading army blowing a dam to cover their retreat, pack of murderous loonies. Even shut down they still have to cool the fuel. That's not to say it's a chernobyl, but it's a big problem
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Even shut down they still have to cool the fuel. That's not to say it's a chernobyl, but it's a big problem Idk when exactly the date was that they went into cold shutdown, (E: 10 days ago) but beyond about 10 days, the decay heat has dropped off enough that the decay heat levels are below the boiling point of water. If the cores somehow became uncovered, yeah that wouldn't be excellent, but honestly, they could shut the pumps down and the system wouldn't melt. (hence why the diesel generators for the plant pumps have fuel for 10 days of operation). You don't want your nuke plant to take on floodwaters from a breached dam or lose cooling water after the fact, because it's good to have intact infrastructure in order to eventually restart the plant, but it's not an immediate radiation safety issue beyond if the plant took a direct hit from a bomb or artillery. The reason Fukushima melted down is it went from full power operation to a LOCA, with nothing in between. There was no time for decay heat to dissipate in the slightest. If the tsunami had not overtopped the seawall and flooded out the basement generators, Fukushima would still be producing power today, as it would have been able to shutdown safely, even with external power severed. orange juche fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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orange juche posted:Idk when exactly the date was that they went into cold shutdown, (E: 10 days ago) but beyond about 10 days, the decay heat has dropped off enough that the decay heat levels are below the boiling point of water. If the cores somehow became uncovered, yeah that wouldn't be excellent, but honestly, they could shut the pumps down and the system wouldn't melt. (hence why the diesel generators for the plant pumps have fuel for 10 days of operation). Yeah they shut it down in September due to the approaching shelling. So its been at least a month since they all went into cold shutdown.
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orange juche posted:Idk when exactly the date was that they went into cold shutdown, (E: 10 days ago) but beyond about 10 days, the decay heat has dropped off enough that the decay heat levels are below the boiling point of water. If the cores somehow became uncovered, yeah that wouldn't be excellent, but honestly, they could shut the pumps down and the system wouldn't melt. (hence why the diesel generators for the plant pumps have fuel for 10 days of operation). Ah ty for the insight, I'd missed the news that they'd fully shut the thing down.
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Fearless posted:For a case study in how horrific things get when capitalists and nazis collaborate, look no further than the sprawling cesspit that is the Quandt family. The Quandts; There’s always more, and it’s always worse.
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https://www.dw.com/en/five-russians-charged-with-exporting-us-military-technology/a-63499948 The US busted an operation that was funneling American components to Russia via Germany for use in weapons.
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psydude posted:https://www.dw.com/en/five-russians-charged-with-exporting-us-military-technology/a-63499948 Oh Germany. 
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Now that loitering munitions/suicide drones/swarm tactic low-cost cruise missiles are a thing, does this re-open the books on SPAAG as something other than a historic curio in Western doctrine? Or does it/will it remain a better play to ensure that if there's any AAA around at all, it's the best you can field and leave the economics of it to future historians?
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IPCRESS posted:Now that loitering munitions/suicide drones/swarm tactic low-cost cruise missiles are a thing, does this re-open the books on SPAAG as something other than a historic curio in Western doctrine? Bunch of projects and proposals atm that puts a radar and a gun on something near the front line. https://news.usni.org/2018/06/04/marines-forward-deploy-portable-drone-killing-system
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IPCRESS posted:Now that loitering munitions/suicide drones/swarm tactic low-cost cruise missiles are a thing, does this re-open the books on SPAAG as something other than a historic curio in Western doctrine? I recently (within the last couple of years) read a public masters thesis re: cost effectiveness of different weapons systems against drones. One of the primary questions was whether something like a ZU-23-2 would make sense as an anti-drone system. Against even something as large as an Orlan-10 at 300 meters it's real bad, and you'd need hundreds of shots to be even remotely confident in getting one hit on a smaller a target. You really need a non-direct-hit system to increase the kill probability, but those systems are then more expensive. A manlad like an Igla might seem enticing, but also has surprisingly poo poo kill probability (approx 50-50, iirc) so you'd kinda want to use at least two per drone. Basically the math (at least using publicly available numbers and making a bunch of assumptions) turns real nasty for smaller drones at any meaningful distances, if you care in the least about cost effectiveness. ETA: the conclusions were basically "in terms of cost effectiveness, use manpads if you expect to encounter on the scale of 10 drones, and something like a skyshield if you expect to encounter on the scale of a 100 drones. Don't bother with the ZUs". Loezi fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Oct 22, 2022 |
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IPCRESS posted:Now that loitering munitions/suicide drones/swarm tactic low-cost cruise missiles are a thing, does this re-open the books on SPAAG as something other than a historic curio in Western doctrine? The DoD is currently working hard to put a radar-guided autocannon with smart fuzes onto every platform that can carry them. They want the main gun on every IFV to be AA, and also want an AA-capable remote weapons system on top of tanks.
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Loezi posted:I recently (within the last couple of years) read a public masters thesis re: cost effectiveness of different weapons systems against drones. One of the primary questions was whether something like a ZU-23-2 would make sense as an anti-drone system. Against even something as large as an Orlan-10 at 300 meters it's real bad, and you'd need hundreds of shots to be even remotely confident in getting one hit on a smaller a target. You really need a non-direct-hit system to increase the kill probability, but those systems are then more expensive. A manlad like an Igla might seem enticing, but also has surprisingly poo poo kill probability (approx 50-50, iirc) so you'd kinda want to use at least two per drone. Basically the math (at least using publicly available numbers and making a bunch of assumptions) turns real nasty for smaller drones at any meaningful distances, if you care in the least about cost effectiveness. Of course a ZU-23 is going to be bad, you'd need something with a radar and timed fuses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8&t=82s
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Xakura posted:Of course a ZU-23 is going to be bad, you'd need something with a radar and timed fuses. Ofc, the point was more along the lines of "the cheapo stuff just won't work, so you gotta use something expensive whatever you do". Beyond that, the cost effectiveness depends massively on how much skeet shooting you plan on doing. A manpad might actually be the most cost effective thing even at their considerable cost, if the only other option is to bring a whole new radar-directed proximity fused thing.
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Loezi posted:I recently (within the last couple of years) read a public masters thesis re: cost effectiveness of different weapons systems against drones. One of the primary questions was whether something like a ZU-23-2 would make sense as an anti-drone system. Against even something as large as an Orlan-10 at 300 meters it's real bad, and you'd need hundreds of shots to be even remotely confident in getting one hit on a smaller a target. You really need a non-direct-hit system to increase the kill probability, but those systems are then more expensive. A manlad like an Igla might seem enticing, but also has surprisingly poo poo kill probability (approx 50-50, iirc) so you'd kinda want to use at least two per drone. Basically the math (at least using publicly available numbers and making a bunch of assumptions) turns real nasty for smaller drones at any meaningful distances, if you care in the least about cost effectiveness. Ukraine: A manlad like an Igla might seem enticing
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