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ThinkFear posted:OP what are you calling your donut emporium? Haven’t settled on a name yet but Hz donut maybe Maybe just (last name)’s I don’t know all the good ones are trademarked like I thought mudslingers was a cool name but there’s already a bunch of those Edit: ordered a propane burner so I can tweak recipes in the driveway rather than greasing up the whole house. Right now my goal it to take some really nice doughnuts to thanksgiving. Rationale fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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Rationale posted:So I went and got a commercial mixer at an astonishing discount and dude’s still acting like I’m not…serious enough? You don't even know if the mixer works. Bringing home a truck load of garbage that you actually paid for (mixer should have been free for trash hauling services) shows neither good judgement nor that you're serious. In fact, every additional thing you disclose makes your judgement further suspect. But I suppose that's the whole point of your thread.
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Motronic posted:You don't even know if the mixer works. Bringing home a truck load of garbage that you actually paid for (mixer should have been free for trash hauling services) shows neither good judgement nor that you're serious. Yeah just never do anything and you’ll never make any mistakes why didn’t I think of that?
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lol. i dunno, "some practice making donuts" would be a solid middle ground between "doing nothing" and "buying a whole bunch of expensive heavy machines"
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gently caress the haters, OP; the silent majority believes in you  worst case you find a local mafioso or other entity in need of a clean front then you absolutely would not need to learn basic business planning, or even how to make donuts, while still having a donut shop pulling down four+ figures daily all with virtually no downside; hell, your new partners may even have some ideas on how to run the joint
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Rationale posted:I was thinking closer to 1am or so and yeah my lifestyle is bad right now. If you're willing to totally upend your sleep cycle there's a donut shop around here open from midnight to noon. They clean up with the late night crowd, get morning business, and shut down around lunch.
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You said you were in a skilled trade right OP? Could you explain that process, how you became a journeyman that kind of thing?
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I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread.  quote:There is a definite stupid guy attraction to donuts as a get rich plan, See, I don't understand this (I believe you, I just don't get it). If I look at the best- and worst-case outcomes for owning a donut shop, 99.99% of positive outcomes just put you making a middle-income income on a shop while working a full-time job or more, while assuming all the risks. The remaining 0.01% of "against all odds, you won the lottery" positive outcomes are still a middle-class income but with employees at the shop plus normal hours for yourself. None of those outcomes are fame and riches. Meanwhile, the negatives are mostly disastrous or at minimum very expensive. Because again: big donut stores don't make their money on donuts. They make their money by franchising out to suckers who then might make money on Nothing about a donut shop (unless you're actually using it to launder money and/or sell drugs) screams Get Rich to me. At all. quote:an add-on he called the Dough-Joe Okay, hear me out: A store that sells DIY donut+decoration kits you take home to fry so you can pretend you're hot poo poo or something. We'll call it "John Dough" because you're the anonymous donuteer behind it all.
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Rationale posted:Then I think I’ll also sell some stuff dirt cheap for the people like dollar drip, dollar raised glazed, loss leaders I think they’re called. I want people to come by every day and not just on payday. I would say that having a loss leader directly compete with your main product is crazy, but I am sure this has been thought through.
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Rationale posted:Then I think I’ll also sell some stuff dirt cheap for the people like dollar drip, dollar raised glazed, loss leaders I think they’re called. I want people to come by every day and not just on payday.
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Ok. After reading through this thread... OP, you've got a pretty sweet life. You probably make $50-70K a year, get random full weeks off, live comfortably on your wife's income, and just had a commercial building just fall in your lap. I have no idea why you want to gently caress with it. But, OK...a few things: 1) Someone suggested working at or learning at a Dunkin or Starbucks or something. I'd actually say a Daylight Donuts or a independent shop, if you have one in your area, might be better. That's probably closer to what your business model will look like. 2) Do you know exactly how many cars go by that intersection during the hours you're open? You say there's cars every 10 or 15 seconds. If we're talking a car every 10-15 seconds, that's only maybe 300-400 cars an hour. If 1% stop at your business, that's only 3-4 cars an hour. You can't make a living off that. I'm guessing walk-by traffic is negligible. 3) If the average income in your town is 41K a year for a household, that's really low. There's probably a lot of people who, even if they like your product, can't afford the $5 a day they'd LIKE to spend. They get coffee and donuts from the grocery store and eat at home most of the time. 4) I really hope you're planning on re-upholstering those chairs. They're ugly as sin and it looks like people rubbed body juices on them at the pizzatitty place. Gross. It's a terrible idea and will be a total trainwreck. But, hey, once it breaks your spirit, Walmart is always hiring!
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Rationale posted:Some other dick said You're NOT taking it seriously. Buying/acquiring things is the easiest part of pretty much any venture. It's a cliché that people will buy all sorts of art or crafting supplies and then never make a thing, because buying things and daydreaming is fun and easy. You can buy tons of lumber and hammers and nails, and still not be able to build a house. Building a house requires things like planning and knowledge. You build things, yes? Are there not plans that you follow? Do you go to jobs and just start building with no idea of what materials you need? Are there no schedules to at least try to adhere to? Do you just start sawing and hammering without knowing what needs to be made? You've got this idea in your head of what it's going to be like, but you don't know if you even like to make doughnuts. Working a fryer in the middle of the night sucks, even for an asocial night-dwelling baker who takes visceral pleasure in the sight and smell of a well-made doughnut. How do you think it's going to be if you hate the work itself? You don't even know if you're good at it. Dude, I get wanting a change. I worked in offices, then I became a baker, then I dipped out because the sexism was discouraging, the pay was terrible and I hit my limit re: productivity. There's a level of productivity you want to be at for any job, and I'm pretty slow at baking. I'm good, but I'm slow, and I Got the 'Tude Now can vouch for me on this: you can't be slow. My left wrist is also hosed up from repetitive strain. I'm in the process of looking for a new position right now, cuz I love my coworkers but my job isn't what I ultimately want to do. I'm the last person who would tell you that you can't change your occupation or lifestyle. I'm telling you that if you're going to make a drastic change and take on the risks of owning and operating your own business, do it intelligently. "Drastic" doesn't mean "stupid" unless you go about it stupidly. You are going about this stupidly
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blackmet posted:
Union dues are $444 a year and if you pay them ahead of time you can have a job the day you get out of prison.
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OP name your store Doughn't Nuts Whether it's real or not I want to learn more about the donut and patisserie making lives of Powerful Katrinka and I Got the 'Tude Now
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Does a donut place need a vent hood for making donuts because the vent hood was the real star of the Doobie saga and it would be fascinating to see someone try to tackle that again.
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What I don't understand is, why are you so allergic to planning and learning?
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Powerful Katrinka posted:You're NOT taking it seriously. Buying/acquiring things is the easiest part of pretty much any venture. It's a cliché that people will buy all sorts of art or crafting supplies and then never make a thing I think we’re on to something here Since we’re fitting the building out for one thing and its certificate of occupancy says something else we have to get the $500 permit instead of the $50 permit. Part of the application process for the $500 permit is a detailed set of plans that include your specified equipment. Whatever equipment is on the stamped drawings is what I have to have. Mind you this is just to get the power back on. The power company won’t play with it until they see the electrical permit stamp. In order to start any work on that place this winter I need to either have bought my equipment or be willing to pay webstaurant prices for it.
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Rationale posted:I think we’re on to something here How specific do the plans have to be? Maybe you know this, but always make those things as general as absolutely possible Like "Univex srm 40" bad "40 quart mixer" better "mixer" best if that meets the requirements
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ilmucche posted:question for OP: 2005
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ilmucche posted:question for OP: I think it's both from the future and mistranslated into English. It should read "I am absolutely penniless."
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Admiralty Flag posted:I think it's both from the future and mistranslated into English. It should read "I am absolutely penniless." 
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Rationale posted:I think we’re on to something here As a former code official, you are either full of poo poo or badly misunderstanding the process and what your next steps should be. Big hint: step one is leaving it as whatever it already is or a change of use to U or S-2. This gets the lights on. And anyone in the trades should be familiar with this poo poo already. The fact that it's in a state where power has been LOTO'd is a huge loving red flag all in and of itself. Your building permit only needs specific equipment when you're trying to do everything all at once. You can't design/build a kitchen out of random garbage equipment when this is a requirement. You don't even have enough money to get whatever garbage hood you pick up vented/makeup air/ansul system in your $75k "budget", so this is all elementary anyway. But I'm sure you will handwave this away as having buddies at the hall that will totally do all of this for you for day old donuts. Hard to believe you actually "built kitchens for the last 10 years" or whatever you claimed. Unless those were residential kitchens, in which case that has jack and poo poo to do with commercial kitchen experience and requirements. Motronic fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Motronic posted:As a former code official, you are either full of poo poo or badly misunderstanding the process and what your next steps should be. This is the quintessential motronic post. Sharing useful specialized knowledge, peppered with weird nonsensical insults
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So are you gonna serve drinks at night too or are commuters gonna sit in those musty old titty bar chairs while they wait for their coffee?
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Hey guys remember zaurg? He's back In doughnut form
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Rationale posted:Union dues are $444 a year and if you pay them ahead of time you can have a job the day you get out of prison. Great. So, what are your plans for learning this business? What kind of vehicle and foot traffic can you reasonably expect? Because, while as a fat, pasty, middle aged white dude I LOVE me a good donut, but I don't love me one enough to go out of my way much for them. What demographic are you trying to market towards? How are you going to get them in the door? And how are you going to take that nasty stuff you bought and make it usable?
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When I worked at Costco I talked to our bakery manager a few times. It was a good gig but he’d have to get there at like 3am to start moving heavy bags of flour into large machines that could easily burn or mangle a finger. The early hours weren’t ideal & those were with the benefit that if he got hurt or wanted to take a vacation the dept would still function & he’d be paid, and if a big machine broke it wasn’t out of his pocket. Or if he got tired of it he could switch to a team with more regular hours. Not sure what my point is, I guess that bakery management appears to be a hard gig?
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Will there be titty donuts
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Ationale Onut Sho
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Hyrax Attack! posted:When I worked at Costco I talked to our bakery manager a few times. It was a good gig but he’d have to get there at like 3am to start moving heavy bags of flour into large machines that could easily burn or mangle a finger. The early hours weren’t ideal & those were with the benefit that if he got hurt or wanted to take a vacation the dept would still function & he’d be paid, and if a big machine broke it wasn’t out of his pocket. Or if he got tired of it he could switch to a team with more regular hours. It's also worth noting that it's also an extremely low margin gig. You need to do an absolute shitload of volume, or have very high prices (with a unique product to justify that!) to make money in baking. As with any business, doing your research and putting down a formal plan is critical. As is controlling costs.
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The prepackaged donut mix is $0.10 a donut and you can sell them for $2 - that’s a 95% profit margin!
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probably one of the important things to figure out in making a business plan is the difference between gross margin and net margin
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:probably one of the important things to figure out in making a business plan is the difference between gross margin and net margin wow what a loving idiot. he should be using butter.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:probably one of the important things to figure out in making a business plan is the difference between gross margin and net margin Uhhh I think the most important part is just to do a lot of business lol
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Uhhh I think the most important part is just to do a lot of business lol 
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Weatherman posted:Hey guys remember zaurg?
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sticksy posted:Will there be titty donuts Cupcakes?
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