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MikeJF posted:Worf crossed the picket line in Bar Association. I feel like this doesn't actually address anything that I said, either in tone or in wording I would also classify it as a misrepresentation of the sentiment that I expressed
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Worf posted:I've been in and not in unions in the same job at competing companies and you'll never guess which job had way more suicidal zombies & abuse going on at it 
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Did you want to translate that into words?
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Klingon isn't a capitalist society, and neither is earth. People work for honor. So Worf probably doesn't understand the concept of a picket line
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uvar posted:I've ended up watching Enterprise as my first 'classic' Star Trek series (after enjoying Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds), partially because I thought it would be funny to be in the tiny minority of people who did that on purpose. But I guess it's helped make the reused plots less tiresome! It's been decent in an early 2000s sort of way.
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Worf posted:Did you want to translate that into words? O’Brien is the union man in Bar Association. Anyways I don’t think it’s controversial to say that some unions, particularly the larger ones, have indeed become various degrees of corrupt and harmful but the solution is reforming the union, not abolishing it. At the end of the day leaving working conditions and worker’s rights in the hands of management and capital will inevitably result in far worse.
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Not enough Worker Owned Cooperatives in Trek IMHo. Unless...the Marquis!?
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External Organs posted:Not enough Worker Owned Cooperatives in Trek IMHo. Worker owned only makes sense in a capitalist society. Ownership of anything that isn't personal effects is largely irrelevant in the Federation, so obviously business ownership isn't a thing, except in Ferengi contexts.
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hyped for project: khan
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No Dignity posted:Neelix had his afterlife proven objectively wrong and nearly killes himself over it. B'Lanna was the one who seemed to get confirmation that it's all legit Yeah, that should have said "proven wrong." Just a really dumb brain fart that I didn't notice.
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Kibayasu posted:O’Brien is the union man in Bar Association. However,
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Particular unions aren't always good or well-run. There's a reason the wave of 2010s teachers' strikes were all wildcat strikes. Union officials can get very cozy with their six figure salaries and their cordial relationship with management. You're seeing the same thing with the rail strike. Union bargainers are taking absolutely insulting agreements back to their members for votes. THREE sick days a year on a 295 day work calendar???
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Hollywood is a union town. Actors, writers, directors, producers, costumers, set designers, stunts, etc. There were probably less than 5% of people on the Paramount lot when DS9 was being made that weren't in one union or another.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes all Trek fans did a collective WTF when that happened. I remember the reaction after it aired. I think a lot of people back then realized that the writing was on the wall. By season 3 of Enterprise people had really caught on to paying attention to ratings beyond the GOOD! or BAD! level of analysis. Nemesis was a bad movie, cratered at the box office (releasing a week before The Two Towers was absolutely insane if they wanted any sort of legs for that movie) and they'd announced that nothing else was in the works. It was a pretty grim time to be a Star Trek fan and thusly alien Nazis out of nowhere didn't seem that odd. That whole era is such an interesting transition for TV. Just keeping it to Sci-Fi TV it's less than three years from the end of Voyager till the BSG miniseries, the evolution of what TV sci-fi looked like was massive.
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uvar posted:Anyway I just got to the end of season 3 (overall less entertaining than the first two) and that cliffhanger at the end, holy poo poo. People must have been spitting chips when it aired. People lost their goddamn minds and it was funny as hell. There hasn't really been a Star Trek cliffhanger that batshit before or since and I kinda miss the chaos energy insanity of it sometimes, even if it probably only happened as a result of Berman/Braga getting booted from the showrunner position so this was them flipping the bird at Manny Coto on their way out the door
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It's such a shame what they did to Jadzia. Terry Farrell was right that the ensemble was so big there would be no real problems with her appearing as a recurring character in season 7. And season 7 suffers badly from having to introduce Ezri.
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Arglebargle III posted:It's such a shame what they did to Jadzia. Terry Farrell was right that the ensemble was so big there would be no real problems with her appearing as a recurring character in season 7. And season 7 suffers badly from having to introduce Ezri. The circumstances behind it suck rear end. But I think that if they had to kill off one of the main heroes, Jadzia was the best choice for storytelling potential. Ezra would been integrated better if they didn’t have one season left.
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CPColin posted:Mods rename thread to Star Trek: TV IV > Star Trek: He was more than a hero. *hits blunt* He was a union man
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Delsaber posted:TV IV > Star Trek: He was more than a hero. *hits blunt* He was a union man
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I finished Voyager yesterday in my rewatch. The first time I saw it, I was disappointed with it. Voyager has a tendency to bring up some intriguing scenarios and then say “nah.” In my initial watch through of Voyager, I was disappointed that they didn’t have a proper episode where they arrive home and get caught up and go their separate ways. The closest we see is a future timeline that gets wiped out. (What causes a timeline to diverge or get erased anyway?) Anyway. Just started another rewatch of Enterprise. It’s been a long time. (Oh poo poo Tiny Lister is in the Enterprise pilot.)
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Delsaber posted:TV IV > Star Trek: He was more than a hero. *hits blunt* He was a union man
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Delsaber posted:TV IV > Star Trek: He was more than a hero. *hits blunt* He was a union man
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Tea Party guy in Star Trek: “Sulliban, Sulu-ban…Brothers???”
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Ezri also had basically nothing to do in the final 10 episodes except resolve her Worf issues and move onto loving Bashir and everything about that suuuucked.
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