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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
yeah sometimes I look at a guitar and my brain says stop trying dummy you suck and you're old then I want to cancel my lessons and curl up under a blanket

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Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

800peepee51doodoo posted:

I was listening to a podcast the other day and one of the hosts used the phrase "resting cocaine face" and I immediately thought of Bernth

I don't know enough about cocaine to get this. But I think Bernth is actually sober now? He talks about quitting drinking on his channel iirc.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Dr. Faustus posted:

You must elaborate.

Congrats, success buddy! I've WRITTEN two (2) more songs since the last one two weeks ago. I also just finished rehearsing the full show for our next meeting with the singer on Sunday. He did four tunes last Sunday and he killed. Just wish I had more people to share it with than the internet. Thanks for being there, internet.

Also I am meeting Steven Siro Vai at The Fillmore in Charlotte on Sunday afternoon at 4, before his show at 8. I have never seen Vai live nor met him. :)

same poo poo always -- rat into the hot rod on bright settings, with the JB guitar. only: we were practicing and had the amp turned up loud enough for once that it got pushed a bit by the rat. so we got the pedal dirt combining with the real amp's dirt. it sounded really loving good

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
earplugs?

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

tried to practice last night, had an actual little mental breakdown, it was dumb.

thats too bad -- i, too, have a sometimes-unreliable brain. for me, it can be hard to even pick up the instrument sometimes.

but if i can manage to get it in tune and play something that pleases me to hear, then i'll usually be able to get thru it and start practicing.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

i have a background in violin so anything monophonic or double-stops i can read perfectly fine, but when you get guitar chords with notes stacked up the stave it always gives me a little pause lol. getting better at reading that stuff more easily though

I have been putting off reading notation on guitar for this reason! Sight reading melodies is attainable for me, I did it all the time in high school band many years ago. But sight reading guitar chords from notation seems like it would be too slow to be practical for me!

I know i'm just being lazy, because keyboard players do it every day. Maybe I should rather work on playing piano, if my goal is to get better at reading chords in notation!

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
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Keyboard players are rarely playing chords that stretch over 2 octaves on a single staff. Piano chords are usually seconds, thirds, or fourths built on top of each other, is usually only like 3 notes with a single hand, guitar chords are way more complicated and annoying to read.

Staff notation is doable on guitar but it's not particularly well suited for it.

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

landgrabber posted:

same poo poo always -- rat into the hot rod on bright settings, with the JB guitar. only: we were practicing and had the amp turned up loud enough for once that it got pushed a bit by the rat. so we got the pedal dirt combining with the real amp's dirt. it sounded really loving good

You have to try to put a volume knob in the effects loop. Let’s you crank the preamp volume to drive the tubes but not be earth shatteringly loud.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

lazerwolf posted:

You have to try to put a volume knob in the effects loop. Let’s you crank the preamp volume to drive the tubes but not be earth shatteringly loud.

dads will sometimes tell you things. technically they could be true? the timing sort of lands up. but there's just no loving way. but what are you gonna do about it, its your dad

mine insists he invented this on a support call to Ampeg soundchecking in a western MA basketball gynmasium in 69 or 70

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015


i was practicing with my band so we were at my drummer's house, in the middle of nowhere. noise wasn't really a concern :p

but yeah i do use earplugs all the time, unless i'm at bedroom volume. and even then i usually wear headphones (for a met + monitoring)

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

lazerwolf posted:

You have to try to put a volume knob in the effects loop. Let’s you crank the preamp volume to drive the tubes but not be earth shatteringly loud.

Is this how that actually works? Would putting a volume pedal/eq pedal with all the sliders way down negate the need for an expensive attenuator on amps that have fx loops?? Seems like cheating

My DI box is 16 ohms so I end up having to turn my amps up pretty loud when recording straight in cause of the falloff from that (and additional volume sapping from my cab sim pedal), I keep my blues junior knockoff at like 8 when recording even though I'd never play it in my place that loud through it's actual speaker

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

landgrabber posted:

i was practicing with my band so we were at my drummer's house, in the middle of nowhere. noise wasn't really a concern :p

but yeah i do use earplugs all the time, unless i'm at bedroom volume. and even then i usually wear headphones (for a met + monitoring)

Good good. You're doing good.

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Wowporn posted:

Is this how that actually works? Would putting a volume pedal/eq pedal with all the sliders way down negate the need for an expensive attenuator on amps that have fx loops?? Seems like cheating

My DI box is 16 ohms so I end up having to turn my amps up pretty loud when recording straight in cause of the falloff from that (and additional volume sapping from my cab sim pedal), I keep my blues junior knockoff at like 8 when recording even though I'd never play it in my place that loud through it's actual speaker

The volume pot trick is adding a master volume to the preamp, not attenuation in the classical "driving the power tubes harder" sense.

That said, there aren't many amps with a loop but no MV, so it's a bit of a limited use case. Seemed to have a bit of a cultural moment because the Fender Hot Rod used the wrong value pot on the clean volume so all the taper was in the first 10% of the pot - in this case the loop volume gives you a bit more control without having to swap any components out.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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LG part of that was probably the tubes driving harder but a lot of it was also probably that loud sounds and feels good. Don't think you have to chase this tone, because I'd bet it's 90% just that it was really loud and you were vibing.

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

Helianthus Annuus posted:

I have been putting off reading notation on guitar for this reason! Sight reading melodies is attainable for me, I did it all the time in high school band many years ago. But sight reading guitar chords from notation seems like it would be too slow to be practical for me!

I know i'm just being lazy, because keyboard players do it every day. Maybe I should rather work on playing piano, if my goal is to get better at reading chords in notation!

my main bit of advice would be to learn to read triads. many guitar chords are a combination of a triad inversion + some octaves and fifths. piano does help with interval reading, but guitar chord pictures are unique to guitar. if you can quickly recognize triads, fourths, and fifths, you’ll be in business

i’m like a broken record with this but the leavitt modern method book is great for reading chords. it has you doing it from page 2 onward, and the “chord etudes” are a real chord reading workout (and sound great!)

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer
LG are you familiar with the Fletcher-Munson Effect?

Turns out there is a real reason we find some frequencies or mix of frequencies more appealing as volume goes up!

I'm not quoting any of the article, the concept is a little esoteric and I think everyone would benefit from learning about it. It's also why we can enjoy the exact same amp settings more when cranked. It's not just the "Magic of the power section." It's human hearing, too!

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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I don't remember if Josh Scott is still cancelled but as he says "loud is more good"

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

IIRC the issues with him were something to do with his history working with worship musicians and one of the churches he’s associated with doing typical US church fasc-shite. Though he’s since raised it and disavowed them.

But yeah tone changes as it gets loud, I’ve learned that you can never trust what a pedal sounds like in the store as a reference for how it sounds at band volume. Rats are always good though partly because they’re lean in the bass.

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

JamesKPolk posted:

dads will sometimes tell you things. technically they could be true? the timing sort of lands up. but there's just no loving way. but what are you gonna do about it, its your dad

mine insists he invented this on a support call to Ampeg soundchecking in a western MA basketball gynmasium in 69 or 70

I didn’t mean it in a loud is bad get off my lawn way. More like when you can’t crank your amp (bedroom practice) you can still achieve “the tone”

As others have said it’s not true attenuation of the amp but it works well enough

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Dr. Faustus posted:

LG are you familiar with the Fletcher-Munson Effect?

Turns out there is a real reason we find some frequencies or mix of frequencies more appealing as volume goes up!

I'm not quoting any of the article, the concept is a little esoteric and I think everyone would benefit from learning about it. It's also why we can enjoy the exact same amp settings more when cranked. It's not just the "Magic of the power section." It's human hearing, too!

oh so that's the actual name of the minimum audibility curve. People just keep telling me that term and I've never had a formal lesson on it.

Summary of the physiology of it: your hearing is tuned towards human speech which is primarily midrange (2-6kHz) so those have lower dB thresholds. As sounds get louder the neurons in your brain devoted to those frequencies will either stop responding or ignore any further changes in loudness. This saturation level is much lower for these middle frequencies than for low and high frequencies. This will also compound with normal high frequency hearing loss due to aging or acoustic trauma

If anyone really gives a poo poo about this kind of stuff, it's what I'm doing a PhD in and need more time spent on organizing the material into stuff relatable to actual humans and not engineers

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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I earnestly think a big part of it is just that when it's real loud it feels good (because it's emotionally overwhelming) and it helps you vibe with it. It passes that barrier from "this is a thing happening here right now" to "this is the only thing that is happening now, here or anywhere."

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

lazerwolf posted:

I didn’t mean it in a loud is bad get off my lawn way. More like when you can’t crank your amp (bedroom practice) you can still achieve “the tone”

As others have said it’s not true attenuation of the amp but it works well enough

hahaha I phrased that badly. the technique 100% works and that circuit design (w/ it built in) is extremely common in amps now.

not as confident the origin story involved my dad though lol (but I love him and part of it is that he tells me stuff like that)

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

Baron von Eevl posted:

I earnestly think a big part of it is just that when it's real loud it feels good (because it's emotionally overwhelming) and it helps you vibe with it. It passes that barrier from "this is a thing happening here right now" to "this is the only thing that is happening now, here or anywhere."

Spanish Manlove posted:

Summary of the physiology of it: your hearing is tuned towards human speech which is primarily midrange (2-6kHz) so those have lower dB thresholds. As sounds get louder the neurons in your brain devoted to those frequencies will either stop responding or ignore any further changes in loudness. This saturation level is much lower for these middle frequencies than for low and high frequencies. This will also compound with normal high frequency hearing loss due to aging or acoustic trauma


These feel like two very different ways of describing the same thing, to me

Psychoacoustics is some wild stuff

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

JamesKPolk posted:

These feel like two very different ways of describing the same thing, to me

Psychoacoustics is some wild stuff

Mine doesn't even get past the I/O section of your brain, the actual psychoacoustics of loud noises is a completely different thing and very much does directly involve the emotional centers of your brain even at an early stage of the signal chain.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

Spanish Manlove posted:

Mine doesn't even get past the I/O section of your brain, the actual psychoacoustics of loud noises is a completely different thing and very much does directly involve the emotional centers of your brain even at an early stage of the signal chain.

errrr yeah I meant holistically. but I get ya.

I have hairs to split about separating those parts of sense-cognition that discretely but a.) not guitar and b.) it probably ends with you telling me about how shits changed in the past 10 years since I was close to the novel research on this stuff

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Edit double post

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010



managed to snag this at a price I could justify (goodbye to my dear schecter PT to make room for it)

it's feels like someone took all the things I love and made a guitar just for me

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

Baron von Eevl posted:

I earnestly think a big part of it is just that when it's real loud it feels good (because it's emotionally overwhelming) and it helps you vibe with it. It passes that barrier from "this is a thing happening here right now" to "this is the only thing that is happening now, here or anywhere."

There’s a 12tone video on YouTube about this and apparently this phenomenon has a name “listener collapse”. The volume at which point sound stops feeling like an external thing and starts feeling like it’s encompassing/penetrating the listeners body.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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There's a bit in Ursula K Le Gun's seminal and very queer sci fi novel Left Hand Of Darkness with oracles that use extreme sensory overload for divination. I always think about that at Lightning Bolt shows.

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



massive spider posted:

There’s a 12tone video on YouTube about this and apparently this phenomenon has a name “listener collapse”. The volume at which point sound stops feeling like an external thing and starts feeling like it’s encompassing/penetrating the listeners body.

Ah, so that's what happening when I go to doom shows.

800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune

Hulk Krogan posted:

Ah, so that's what happening when I go to doom shows.

:hmmyes:

I just got tickets to Sunn0))). The VIP tickets that include a Life Pedal V3 were sold out already lmao.

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames
Is this a new thread?

Hit up the store for some strings and I'm thinking to upgrade my amp now. Swap the supro for a little something with more hard hitting grit. They were overflowing with white peavy 5150s but that's not quite the vibe I'm looking for.

Will have to sell the old amp to finance of course.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:



managed to snag this at a price I could justify (goodbye to my dear schecter PT to make room for it)

it's feels like someone took all the things I love and made a guitar just for me

Nice. The P90/Humbucker combo should be more widespread.

nom epique
Apr 24, 2022

by VideoGames
Anyone experience with budda SuperDrive ? Seems to be a mis priced used one on guitar center website

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


nom epique posted:

Anyone experience with budda SuperDrive ? Seems to be a mis priced used one on guitar center website

The Pre-Peavey ones are incredible. The Peavey made ones still sound good but definitely took a big dip in build quality

havelock
Jan 20, 2004

IGNORE ME
Soiled Meat

Good Soldier Svejk posted:



managed to snag this at a price I could justify (goodbye to my dear schecter PT to make room for it)

it's feels like someone took all the things I love and made a guitar just for me

Nice
I've never had a chance to play one, but I've always kinda wanted one.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009



This is my tele (well, TE Custom). Got a bench set up and took it out to change the strings (finally - been 6 months I've been meaning to do this!) and I forgot how much I like it. Frets are real low though, I'll probably be the person to (pay someone else to) replace them.

This site's got more info - this is v2 https://www.markwills.co.uk/hohner/

I'm the 3rd owner and its stock other than an upgraded bridge and nut (both graphite)... and the 1st owner re-finishing it from black (you can kinda see around the neck slot). Electronics feel weird and need work but I'm scared of messing up the vibe lol. When I bought it I thought it would be a project beater but I held off on it after getting stuck in w/ my JM, and now all the "problems" are things I like (except the unreliable volume knob). So curious about the finish! There's a nice texture and patina to it but not quite like the (very small number of) nitro examples I'm familiar with.

Does anyone know why there'd be a detent in the volume pot, btw? I haven't opened it yet so maybe its obvious inside.

Anyway its a joy to play, it sustains forever, it's weirdly well-balanced for being so heavy, and I'm lucky that the previous owner's son (who he had been saving it for) decided to follow the path of metalcore bass instead.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Can someone explain what a maple top sites besides look nice? I'm exploring a few ideas and got looking at PRS guitars which have both comfort carving and bound maple tops, I think there are Ibanez and even some strats with the same deal. Does it really help tone and sustain? Or from a practical view is it the same as just leaving it and having the wood of the main body uncovered?

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
toanwood is largely myth, it just looks nice

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Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

It does look really cool though

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