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neonchameleon
Nov 14, 2012



Pwnstar posted:

Do you think Morgana would be improved or even worse if they went all in on Morgana's persona (the normal kind, not the magical power from within) and made him talk like a Shakespearean character all the time?

I hear that's what the Japanese version basically does. And it would be an improvement.

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
Morgana's simping for Ann is kinda gross but also it's just simping, he never really gets into making sexually harassing comments the way Teddy does. Also Teddy eventually gets a human body and could like, potentially act on his weird poo poo which makes it worse. Morgana's a cat though so at worst it just comes off as pathetic and annoying. Hell even in the third semester when he temporarily becomes human, there's thankfully zero scenes of him trying to put the moves on Ann.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Sydin posted:

Morgana's simping for Ann is kinda gross but also it's just simping, he never really gets into making sexually harassing comments the way Teddy does. Also Teddy eventually gets a human body and could like, potentially act on his weird poo poo which makes it worse. Morgana's a cat though so at worst it just comes off as pathetic and annoying. Hell even in the third semester when he temporarily becomes human, there's thankfully zero scenes of him trying to put the moves on Ann.

I am told his irritation quotient goes up by an order of magnitude if you date Ann so it really feels like he's going super Nice Guy and you can't do anything about it.

That said it's no 'TELL ME ABOUT THE YOUNG STUD YUKIKO' for the millionth time.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Eh, the game only really addresses the social links in very few locations, and even in the few locations where it does address you dating Ann, he's more sad than anything else.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

neonchameleon posted:

There is no good reason in P5R to play baseball unless you find it fun or are an utter completionist. Not that some of the rewards in Royal aren't good accessories but you won't be short of good accessories and it's not even a good source of proficiency.

Phew. I can stop immediately

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
In Persona 4 I'll never date Naoto because I wouldn't do my boy Kanji dirty like that. In Persona 5 I'd date Ann just to spite Morgana, but am stopped by the fact that Ann's kinda boring and it's clear the writers barely knew what to do with her as early as the conclusion of the second palace.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

neonchameleon posted:

I hear that's what the Japanese version basically does. And it would be an improvement.

Ya, I was wondering if it would work as well in English. There's a character like that in Final Fantasy 14 but he's a huge nerd and weirdo, a little cartoon cat trying to be cool doing it might be too much.

Edit: I suppose Morgana is also a huge nerd and weirdo but in a different way.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Dawgstar posted:

I am told his irritation quotient goes up by an order of magnitude if you date Ann so it really feels like he's going super Nice Guy and you can't do anything about it.

That said it's no 'TELL ME ABOUT THE YOUNG STUD YUKIKO' for the millionth time.

it doesn’t really, the worst you get is a remorseful sigh from him in a single scene

Morgana might think he’s people but he always defers to Joker in non-bedtime matters

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





Ann could have had a cool social link about growing up biracial in a society that is very much not that but it ends up being a little about that a little about her friend and then mainly modeling for some reason and just kind of sucks. She was such a mishandled character.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


cheesetriangles posted:

Ann could have had a cool social link about growing up biracial in a society that is very much not that but it ends up being a little about that a little about her friend and then mainly modeling for some reason and just kind of sucks. She was such a mishandled character.

Considering who directed P4 and P5, consider yourself lucky he didn't bother diving into biracial topics.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



anakha posted:

Considering who directed P4 and P5, consider yourself lucky he didn't bother diving into biracial topics.





Sydin posted:

In Persona 4 I'll never date Naoto because I wouldn't do my boy Kanji dirty like that. In Persona 5 I'd date Ann just to spite Morgana, but am stopped by the fact that Ann's kinda boring and it's clear the writers barely knew what to do with her as early as the conclusion of the second palace.

I had the exact same thoughts about Naoto in my first run of P4G.

I remember being eh about Ann, liking some things, hating others. Loved Haru. Makoto was the real disappointment because she was the one everyone raved about early on and she's voiced by Cherami Leigh. Total waste of Ms. Leigh's talents.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Ann is the best character in P5 even after all of the uncomfortable sexualization immediately after her chapter ends. I like how she really throws herself into the Phantom Thievery because it’s the first time in a while she’s had a group of friends and her life tends to be pretty isolating. Between her parents not being around, her job encouraging competition between peers, her racial identity and beauty both making her an outsider at school and socially, she really doesn’t get a lot of healthy interaction with others, and that’s before you get into her best friend being sent to the hospital and transferring to another school in another city. The scenes after Futaba wakes up where Ann immediately takes on a big sister role for her since neither of them have siblings are very sweet

The game doesn’t always do her justice but Ann rules. (Her VA really adds a lot too, up and down the voice acting and direction in this game is pretty good)

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Oct 23, 2022

Paracaidas
Sep 24, 2016
Consistently Tedious!

DC Murderverse posted:

Ann is the best character in P5 even after all of the uncomfortable sexualization immediately after her chapter ends.
I remember being somewhat relieved that she's not the target of Kaneshiro's sextortion scheme.

Flair
Apr 5, 2016

Another missed opportunity :(

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Yeah, Morgana definitely comes up more obvious that he's an old fashioned in japanese because he constantly goes Wagahai which is only used by ancient people and chuunibyou

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

People keep bringing up how the Japanese version somehow made Morgana better, but... it really doesn't??? He's still constantly simping and putting Ann up on a pedestal. A creep is still a creep, flowery language or not.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Ann and Ryuji are both goofy idiots and also real and strong and my friends.

George Sex - REAL
Dec 1, 2005

Bisssssssexual
I forgot how slow the early hours of P5 are. Kind of a slog really

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


I don't like how portraits have moving lips now in Royal.

Great game otherwise, but I do not like that, they did not need that.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Tae posted:

Yeah, Morgana definitely comes up more obvious that he's an old fashioned in japanese because he constantly goes Wagahai which is only used by ancient people and chuunibyou

The joke is that he is using the same pronoun from Natsume Soseki's "I am a Cat". Wagahai.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I'm not sure Morgana doubling down on his m'lady vocabulary would make him more endearing.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Pwnstar posted:

Ann and Ryuji are both goofy idiots and also real and strong and my friends.

Ryuji is a really effective "best bro" character and bounces perfectly off of Joker being a plank of wood most of the time. I really like his arc of letting the Thieves stuff go to his head in a natural teenage boy sort of way until the reality of the situation hits him like a ton of bricks and he has to accept that he hosed up hard and learn from it. There's a phone call he has with Joker I think after he blows up in a group meeting that is some of the best writing in the entire game.

DC Murderverse posted:

Ann is the best character in P5 even after all of the uncomfortable sexualization immediately after her chapter ends. I like how she really throws herself into the Phantom Thievery because it’s the first time in a while she’s had a group of friends and her life tends to be pretty isolating. Between her parents not being around, her job encouraging competition between peers, her racial identity and beauty both making her an outsider at school and socially, she really doesn’t get a lot of healthy interaction with others, and that’s before you get into her best friend being sent to the hospital and transferring to another school in another city. The scenes after Futaba wakes up where Ann immediately takes on a big sister role for her since neither of them have siblings are very sweet

The game doesn’t always do her justice but Ann rules. (Her VA really adds a lot too, up and down the voice acting and direction in this game is pretty good)

Yeah I just... wish she had more to do? Granted this is more less a specific complaint about Ann and more a general complaint that once Futaba and Makoto join up they get way too much focus relative to the rest of the group. Her S.Link is also kinda mediocre writing-wise imo.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Her S.Link should've focused more on her desire to be an anime villainess imho. She should've had her entire S.Link be like the Sentai Stunt Double Guy from #FE.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
It's really cool that they added new stuff in Royal but that S-Link is a stretch. At this point I'm expecting a bathroom scene where you meet a janitor and then it flashes forward to "No one could have kept up these criminal actions without having to poop. Someone must have cleaned your toilets! Give me a name!" and then the El Custodio card comes up.

neonchameleon
Nov 14, 2012



Mailer posted:

It's really cool that they added new stuff in Royal but that S-Link is a stretch. At this point I'm expecting a bathroom scene where you meet a janitor and then it flashes forward to "No one could have kept up these criminal actions without having to poop. Someone must have cleaned your toilets! Give me a name!" and then the El Custodio card comes up.

If you're talking about the new adult S-link then I find it a lot less of a stretch than most of them partly as it has very different motivations. Maruki spots the phantom dorks because their grasp of operational security is terrible - which it is. He then put himself in a position to get to know them. It makes more sense that someone would do this than that all the adults were "Aha! You tipped your hand!"

Vlaphor
Dec 18, 2005

Lipstick Apathy
I know that companies want to put out as much merch of all their characters as they can, but sometimes they should maybe just step back and ask if the world really needs a Kamoshida plushie.

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





Vlaphor posted:

I know that companies want to put out as much merch of all their characters as they can, but sometimes they should maybe just step back and ask if the world really needs a Kamoshida plushie.



Maybe someone needs a target for the range.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?

neonchameleon posted:

If you're talking about the new adult S-link then I find it a lot less of a stretch than most of them partly as it has very different motivations.

I don't have a deep grasp on his plot yet (as I haven't touched Royal before) but the insertion just felt weird. Sort of like all the times, including the intro, where the new character shows up. Having more stuff is great but I got a giggle hearing Sae's super serious rant then seeing El Consultante pop up.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
the main problem I have with that s-link is that the music sounds like stereotypical 70s porn music

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Vlaphor posted:

I know that companies want to put out as much merch of all their characters as they can, but sometimes they should maybe just step back and ask if the world really needs a Kamoshida plushie.



There had to be a public message for people not to dress up as Jeffery Dahmer for halloween, you live in the wrong reality

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
That's a really cute plush of a pretty terrible man tho

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
If it's one of those ones where you can turn them inside out and the shadow version is on the inside then I'll take a full set

mastajake
Oct 3, 2005

My blade is unBENDING!

Pwnstar posted:

Ann and Ryuji are both goofy idiots and also real and strong and my friends.

Doofus squad ftw.

unattended spaghetti
May 10, 2013
This bank is loving terrible.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Kinda hosed up that they just hand you not one but two of the ultimate summon before you even start the game. I got to put this guy away or the wrong be any challenge

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Also I like Igor's VA from p4g more than this guy

DanielCross
Aug 16, 2013
That reminds me -- they still haven't replaced Igor's JP VA, right?

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Nope. The scenes in P5 with Real Igor use archive audio in the JP version.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

How the hell I am supposed to get new personas while playing on merciless?

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Flair
Apr 5, 2016

babypolis posted:

How the hell I am supposed to get new personas while playing on merciless?

Either use weaker attacks to get their health low for surrender (i.e. gun) or use elemental items that do a fixed amount of damage but hit their weakpoint. Nonetheless, for some Personas in the wild, you will have to fuse them as they may be resistance in either methods.

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