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aphid_licker posted:Yeah as I said, there are prewar articles of them being supposed to have various sensor and seeker packages but what I've seen of actually captured examples they had nothing of the sort. So right off the bat that would limit what frontline targets they can even begin to hope to engage. Re: them being a solved problem soon, I sure hope so. I guess it depends on what navigation (inertial, GPS) they use and what happens when you mess with the GPS, otherwise you'd have to shoot them all, which would mean they continue to be a pain and tie down a lot of AD systems. Or you hit the launchers obvs. Yeah 'solved' in the sense that they still require resources to deal with. Maybe some non-conventional way of dealing with them is found, but the basis of the response currently seems to be giving Ukraine the ability to shoot them down. Hopefully other efforts are successful sooner than later.
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 Ukrainian armored column runs head first into a Russian convoy heading the other wayhttps://twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1584011464167202816?s=20&t=hyKO17QnYjJE3e_No7Ubbg
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Herstory Begins Now posted:pain in the rear end for now, I suspect that they're going to be a solved issue pretty quickly. you seen any reports of the suicide drones getting used successfully anywhere near the front? because I haven't I've read that Russia is targeting the Ukrainian power grid with them, actually.
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Oh wonderful: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-think-tanks-business-deb83a49c24736928a010b0a449f308c Yes, I'm sure the Ukrainians are going to salt their own land with Co-60.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oh wonderful: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-think-tanks-business-deb83a49c24736928a010b0a449f308c The plot will accidentally contaminate Chernobyl!......again.....
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oh wonderful: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-think-tanks-business-deb83a49c24736928a010b0a449f308c https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1584228652434137089?s=20&t=gmbGKNJGgAnkuUt_j0v5wg
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Quackles posted:I've read that Russia is targeting the Ukrainian power grid with them, actually. Yes, did you read the full sentence? they're hitting targets in the rear away from where most of Ukraine's AA systems are. Shahed's have been conspicuously ineffective anywhere near the front line
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yes, did you read the full sentence? they're hitting targets in the rear away from where most of Ukraine's AA systems are. Shahed's have been conspicuously ineffective anywhere near the front line Yeah the plan seems to be "step 1: inflict mass suffering on civilians step 2: . . . . step 3: win war"
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oh wonderful: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-think-tanks-business-deb83a49c24736928a010b0a449f308c lmao I guess this means Russia is actively planning to crack open either Chernobyl or Zaporozhye.
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Always prudent to pre-message one of your nuclear weapons failing to properly detonate
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Still lolling at early invasion Russian troops digging trenches around Chernobyl.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I think the Su-25 videos are his, but the Su-34, Mi-24 and -28 videos he posts are from others. "Andrei, you've lost a-NOTHER
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Still lolling at early invasion Russian troops digging trenches around Chernobyl.  Chernoatse
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I've been wondering how they'd deploy the nuke, if they use one. Putting one on a Kalibr / Iskander etc would mean that it has a p decent chance of being shot down. And I don't think that there's a real good target for a nuke arty shell. Imagine Ukraine displaying the remains of a nuke they sifted out of some Kalibr wreckage. Hell, imagine being the guy who finds that. "Man I wonder what this hollow metal half-sphere is."
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1584320615942537216 Lol when your new weapons supplier has beef with someone else
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yes, did you read the full sentence? they're hitting targets in the rear away from where most of Ukraine's AA systems are. Shahed's have been conspicuously ineffective anywhere near the front line Yeah, I agree. They aren't hitting the front line - they're targeting comparatively unguarded infrastructure. Think it'll have a major effect?
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CBJSprague24 posted:Anybody know who this belongs to? Does Ukraine have Su-25s? Apparently this happened over Belgorod. In Russia. https://www.google.com/maps/place/5...50.833!4d37.037 Word is that the pilot had his vertical stabilizer sliced off by a power line. https://twitter.com/rubenhofs/status/1584291375297986562
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That alfalfa looks comfyQuackles posted:Yeah, I agree. They aren't hitting the front line - they're targeting comparatively unguarded infrastructure. They're absolutely targeting the front line, too, they just aren't having any effect there because they're loud, slow, and big and therefor easily detected and intercepted. As a whole the big question is how quickly better air defenses take to get in place but they're an eminently solvable problem with currently existing systems and they seem to have lit a particular fire under everyone's asses to get Ukraine better AA coverage. I think it's certainly had an effect on Ukrainian utilities, but it's also generated a ton of PR blowback that's going to result in Ukraine ending up with even better air defenses. It appears that they've made pretty quick progress with improving their response, but idk we'll have to wait and see Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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A.o.D. posted:Apparently this happened over Belgorod. I really have to wonder about that pilot. “Whelp, I just crashed a multi-million dollar war machine in a somewhat embarrassing collision in home territory and just barely managed to punch out in time to survive, and my superiors are probably going to rip my rear end to shreds for this. …but my helmet cam is still running so boy have I got a sweet vid I can post to the ‘gram!”
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Always impressive in these how the guy goes from fighter pilot going hundreds of knots to pedestrian stranded in a field in literally ten seconds flat. That's gotta be bewildering. e: the russians currently sure seem to be producing a shitload of plane crashes
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vuk83 posted:Anti drone why not some modernised flak? Fusing a 75-90mm shell would be cheaper, and also with the required range? Heavy AAA was for shooting down high altitude bombers. It would be incredibly hard to get a 90mm AA gun that is mobile, fast firing, and can counter the angular velocity of fast, nimble drones inside of 500 meters.
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A.o.D. posted:Ah, they've solved how to make a long range shotgun. That's actually a really old shell design. Shrapnel shells were adopted in 1803 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrapnel_shell
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Tomn posted:I really have to wonder about that pilot. Previous videos like this were released by Russian MoD (most memorably the KA-52 shootdown at Gostomel airport where the pilot ends up disembarking after crash landing into a field). FB sure seems to be basically an arm of the Russian airforce and I'd just treat anything they're releasing as Russian MoD approved. As to why would they post a shootdown or crash? seems like they might be trying to release footage showing that crashing or getting shot down is no big deal you land in comfy field of alfalfa and radio for help. Would make sense after a rough couple weeks of their planes falling out of the sky for all manner of reasons Pure speculation: I wonder if Russian aviation is developing a refusenik/morale problem aphid_licker posted:Always impressive in these how the guy goes from fighter pilot going hundreds of knots to pedestrian stranded in a field in literally ten seconds flat. That's gotta be bewildering. yeah it's wild, I can't begin to imagine Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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PookBear posted:That's actually a really old shell design. Shrapnel shells were adopted in 1803 If anything it's like the variable timed fuse of the 5 inch shells the US used for anti aircraft work in WWII.
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A.o.D. posted:If anything it's like the variable timed fuse of the 5 inch shells the US used for anti aircraft work in WWII. Yeah the smarter bit is that the ranging solution can be programmed individually on each shell at a rate of several hundred rounds a minute.
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Tomn posted:“Whelp, I just crashed a multi-million dollar war machine in a somewhat embarrassing collision in home territory and just barely managed to punch out in time to survive, and my superiors are probably going to rip my rear end to shreds for this. Russia is currently a lot more short of pilots than they are of planes. He gets shouted at and then he gets given a new plane.
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PookBear posted:Heavy AAA was for shooting down high altitude bombers. It would be incredibly hard to get a 90mm AA gun that is mobile, fast firing, and can counter the angular velocity of fast, nimble drones inside of 500 meters. There are a lot of different drones in use. Not all of them, and likely not the ones you really care about, are nimble little quad copters.
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Murgos posted:There are a lot of different drones in use. Not all of them, and likely not the ones you really care about, are nimble little quad copters. As an example to this point, there was footage of craft like these being flown earlier in the conflict. (I believe one set of videos were near an apartment block, and its entirely possible/probable I saw them in this thread)  Relatively inexpensive, only a few thousand dollars each (about 5k usd unit cost?) from china. Plastic and foam bodies, 8kg payload (some can handle substantially more) but not particularly fast compared to the wee ones, I believe the pictured one was electric but I did see some gas models when I was looking several months back (thought about equipping one with Lidar and other sensors in order to map a valley) and some of those will cruise at 75mph, all depends on the configuration and size. e: This is the domestic Raybird 3  https://www.defensehere.com/en/ukranian-skyeton-develops-light-surveillance-drone-capable-of-24-hour-flight kupachek fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Still lolling at early invasion Russian troops digging trenches around Chernobyl. Oh man that nytimes article where they interviewed a Ukrainian expert at the site was bizarre, just baffled at the Russians unforced error of digging in one of the worst spots on earth. Tuna-Fish posted:Russia is currently a lot more short of pilots than they are of planes. He gets shouted at and then he gets given a new plane. Seems similar to US in the Pacific War after homefront production reached absurd levels, when so many new planes were arriving that those with minor damage would be pushed aside. With the exception that the US was winning the war.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:just baffled at the Russians unforced error of digging in one of the worst spots on earth. Their maps were pre-1986. Murgos posted:There are a lot of different drones in use. Not all of them, and likely not the ones you really care about, are nimble little quad copters. Heavy AAA is not coming back.
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Xakura posted:Their maps were pre-1986. Also their education is curated so as not to include any embarrassing moments like the battle of Tsushima, the Holodomor, or Chernobyl.
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A quick glance at the Wikipedia page suggests it's still widely used by former Soviet countries. Kind of like how the US still uses the M2.
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Xakura posted:Heavy AAA is not coming back. Bayraktar Tb2 for example.
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aphid_licker posted:Always impressive in these how the guy goes from fighter pilot going hundreds of knots to pedestrian stranded in a field in literally ten seconds flat. That's gotta be bewildering. Its always nuts watching how fast the system can take you away from the aircraft. Dudes probably in a state of shock for a little bit. Ejectings a big never do unless you have to. Even if it gets you out and alive you could be looking at spinal injuries.
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Xakura posted:Heavy AAA is not coming back. Why not? In a drone heavy future cheap radar programmable shot is much more cost effective than $$$$$ small missiles. I'd figure we'd have a next gen M777 replacement that can point upwards with smart fusing for both Excalibur rounds and heavy AAA rounds. Meanwhile the smart bushmasters (40mm or 30mm?) seem to be coming along nicely for both anti-infantry and anti-drone.
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M_Gargantua posted:Why not? In a drone heavy future cheap radar programmable shot is much more cost effective than $$$$$ small missiles. I'd figure we'd have a next gen M777 replacement that can point upwards with smart fusing for both Excalibur rounds and heavy AAA rounds. Meanwhile the smart bushmasters (40mm or 30mm?) seem to be coming along nicely for both anti-infantry and anti-drone. Because procurement is based on what can give the best profit to Raytheon, not what is most cost effective.
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M_Gargantua posted:Why not? In a drone heavy future cheap radar programmable shot is much more cost effective than $$$$$ small missiles. I'd figure we'd have a next gen M777 replacement that can point upwards with smart fusing for both Excalibur rounds and heavy AAA rounds. Time of flight. Shooting AAA at a target 30k feet up can be defeated by making lazy turns. Also the mount for a 155mm AA gun(!) is going to be radically different than for an arty piece that only needs to fire (mostly) forwards. M_Gargantua posted:Meanwhile the smart bushmasters (40mm or 30mm?) seem to be coming along nicely for both anti-infantry and anti-drone. I'm specifically not talking about light/medium AAA, which is going to be placed on every vehicle imaginable like it's the 30s and I have surplus M2s.
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