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Drinkslinger posted:Playing through Timesplitters FP in Imp Zone gave me the idea for a "one-gun fun" mod where you're restricted to one particular weapon per map I restricted the player to the single-barrel shotgun for a full half of the map I made until they get the chaingun and honestly I'm still wondering whether or not to allow that at all.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:One of the things I'm trying for in map design is weapon restrictions. It's honestly a lot of fun. Playing through a few megawads in the past without pistol starting I was kind of like "well this isn't too bad". But going back and playing being forced to use a rocket launcher in a tight area or a shotgun for larger things and the like, I could tell a lot of thought went into it and was much more fun (and difficult) to play.
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Drinkslinger posted:Shoutout to the three zombiemen in Underhalls, who instantly get absolutely demolished by whatever weapon I picked up in the custom MAP01 I just finished My nickname for the music in MAP01 is "D_MAPPIN"
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Oct 25, 2022 23:01
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A.o.D. posted:My nickname for the music in MAP01 is "D_MAPPIN" STARTANGO
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pro starcraft loser posted:It's honestly a lot of fun. Playing through a few megawads in the past without pistol starting I was kind of like "well this isn't too bad". Yeah when I was a kid, the idea of the "pistol start" was such a strange concept to me; I got it in my head that is must have been a mistake--not a feature--for the game to restart the level on death with a pistol and nothing else. It's only been in the last 10-12 years that I've fallen in love with it, and now I do it whenever I can. Sometimes I even do it in other games, like Blood and Shadow Warrior.
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Yeah same. It means in well designed levels instead of getting one big difficulty curve over a megawad you get 32 small ones, who then themselves still exist on a larger curve. Protip: open the console (~) and enter code:
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Oct 26, 2022 05:12
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Chocolate/Crispy Doom and PRBoom+ have a -pistolstart launch parameter available too
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Oct 26, 2022 05:51
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Mak0rz posted:Chocolate/Crispy Doom and PRBoom+ have a -pistolstart launch parameter available too For GZDoom there’s some good mods on the ZDoom forums for it, mostly descending from one originally written by JP LeBreton.
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Oct 26, 2022 05:54
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Arivia posted:For GZDoom there’s some good mods on the ZDoom forums for it, mostly descending from one originally written by JP LeBreton. Yeah I remember going that route for a while and then dropping it because every second update to the engine seemed to break it in very silly ways. They're probably better now, but I just use console magic instead if I want to pistol start in GZD these days.
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Oct 26, 2022 06:03
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I'm surprised at how popular pistol starting seems to be. That's probably because I'm a huge RPG nerd who loves getting progressively more powerful as the game goes on (which also probably explains my love of mods like DRLA and Laevis/Gun Bonsai), instead of having that power yanked away from me at the end of every map and being forced to start from scratch at the beginning of the next one. Different strokes for different folks and all that.
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Oct 26, 2022 07:17
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It's definitely a "different strokes"-type situation. I find that, even on UV, I get to the point with a lot of WADs where I have so much of everything and the difficulty can suffer; secrets lose their appeal because it's like "oh a hidden plasma rifle...I already have one." On a "pistol start", maps can feel more like puzzles: how do I get through this area with 15 rockets and 50 cells? How can I finagle these enemies into fighting each other? And when you find a weapon or secret, it's likely to be a much bigger boon to your run. Of course, I'm also kind of a weirdo who likes when the game takes my poo poo away (like in Fallout: New Vegas' "Dead Money" DLC) and makes me start from scratch, even temporarily.
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Oct 26, 2022 17:46
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Pistol starting maps is just staying true to Doom's origins as the original metroidvania
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Oct 26, 2022 17:53
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Of course, I'm also kind of a weirdo who likes when the game takes my poo poo away (like in Fallout: New Vegas' "Dead Money" DLC) and makes me start from scratch, even temporarily. The absolute best missions in MGSV did that.
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Oct 26, 2022 18:12
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Pistol starting is more than just an added challenge. It can completely change the way you play. Secrets are often more rewarding (as mentioned) and it can influence how and when you use your ammo and various other pickups. In continuous play I often find myself being stingy and hoarding my rockets and cell ammo "for the big one up ahead" but when pistol starting I don't do that. That said, a great WAD author knows how to make maps in which either approach can be a viable and fun experience.
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Oct 26, 2022 18:19
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Mak0rz posted:Pistol starting is more than just an added challenge. It can completely change the way you play. Secrets are often more rewarding (as mentioned) and it can influence how and when you use your ammo and various other pickups. In continuous play I often find myself being stingy and hoarding my rockets and cell ammo "for the big one up ahead" but when pistol starting I don't do that.  I'm a chronic video game resource hoarder and pistol starting removes the incentive to hold anything back because you can't take it with you. And it allows the mapmaker to more precisely design encounters if they know what weapons/ammo you'll have available at any one time. Only flipside is it does take away from that secret megasphere you found after all the enemies were dead 
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Oct 26, 2022 20:15
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Takes No Damage posted:Only flipside is it does take away from that secret megasphere you found after all the enemies were dead What difference does that matter to you, Takes No Damage? 
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Oct 26, 2022 20:48
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I only pistol start occasionally, but I always appreciate wads that require it and the sense of achievement is unique
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Oct 26, 2022 21:00
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On the flip side, I find pistol starting a little freeing. I'm so hard wired in games to save ammo for future encounters down the line that it's really nice to be able to say "gently caress it, I'm gonna BFG these hellknights cause I can't take it with me". Same for ending a map at low health.
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Oct 27, 2022 00:21
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Pistol starting vs continuous makes all the difference in The Flesh Consumed. You can start Perfect Hatred with either 100 health and 50 bullets or at near death with only a shotgun shell.
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Oct 27, 2022 00:27
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I don't even consider myself to have played the masterpiece wads at all until I've played them from pistol start. Playing a Ribbiks map with all the kit from the previous maps is like solving a Rubiks cube with a hammer.
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Oct 27, 2022 01:00
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Mak0rz posted:What difference does that matter to you, Takes No Damage? Just because I've been playing Doom since 1993 doesn't mean I'm good at it. Half the time I play too passively and get overwhelmed / Archies rez the whole map. Then I try to go more aggressive and instantly die. Then I'll watch decino play the same map in what appears to be the same way but just, y'know, not get hit   Mak0rz posted:Pistol starting vs continuous makes all the difference in The Flesh Consumed. You can start Perfect Hatred with either 100 health and 50 bullets or at near death with only a shotgun shell. All that means is that in 2 seconds you will be starting Perfect Hatred with 100 health and 50 bullets 
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Oct 27, 2022 01:12
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Pistol starting is more fun. Sorry haters but it's true.
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Oct 27, 2022 09:10
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Is there a limit to how many numbered sectors you can have in a map?
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Oct 28, 2022 18:07
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Is there a limit to how many numbered sectors you can have in a map? In vanilla Doom, yes https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Static_limits
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Is there a limit to how many numbered sectors you can have in a map? https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Static_limits quote:Segs/sides/lines/subsectors/nodes Limit-removing ports are going to have different or no limits, you'd need to look up a reference for those specific ports. There's probably a Boom standard.
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peestol starting Stardate 20X6. Foxhole is full o surprises (especially the berserk secret after a particularly prickly encounter) tanagra seems like it'd be fun to pacifist run sector 8 is, a terrible experience. aesthetics or whatever are fine, but it is just an absolute grind for me. someone forgot to tell them to put in fun parts i guess? I'm already sick of it and not too far in Brolander fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 1, 2022 |
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Someone made Punch-Out in Doom! Pretty cool idea. Gameplay loop seems a bit repetitive tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZvMUZx9iNA Let's liven it up a bit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yVFjC9Y_NE
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So anybody got any ideas for a November WAD?
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In Training posted:So anybody got any ideas for a November WAD? I'm midway through making a map (though it's not November themed) and tbh I think I've made it too big. edit: I have an ACS scripting question. If I have a script that takes an argument, and has a Repeat call in it, what happens if I call it again with a different argument? Does it allow for multiple instances of the same script to be running, or will it terminate the first in order to run the second? Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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In Training posted:So anybody got any ideas for a November WAD? These were the two maps I played: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2sbahchin8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mrzvWTXA94 By the way did anyone manage to finish Threevilution? I have some specific thoughts on it but I'll need to go back and nextmap through the wad to remind myself what map was what Overall I really enjoyed it. The final puzzle of map30 was annoying but once I figured it out the final encounter was a satisfying reward
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:I stumbled on a server running Atmospheric Extinction the other day, and it is absolutely beautiful. I played through maps 5 and 6, and map 6 "The Reality Binder" was especially cool. Just great encounter and map design. I certainly wouldn't mind playing through that one with the thread, so that's my vote. This looks super neat, I just downloaded it and will play it next! Working on Hell Ground currently, a 2009 doom II episode from the mapper who made EPIC.WAD. It's been fun, this guy is very good at making huge scale buildings that you can actually explore.
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Honestly, the Reality Binder is worth the price of admission on its own.
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I'm getting annoyed at inconsistency in how ACS scripts behave. Seems like half the time the following works, and half the time it doesn't (possibly due to timing conflicts?) There's a line of Ceiling_LowerAndCrush sectors on loop via a Repeat call. Call this crusherScript A switch which does the following: - Terminates crusherScript - Runs a reset script that resets crusher sectors to their normal floor and ceiling. ACS_WaitNamedRun, so it's waiting for that to finish before proceding. - Raises the floor on one crusher. TagWait, so it waits for this to happen before proceding. - Starts crusherScript again - Waits for a certain amount of tics - Terminates crusherScript - Runs reset script again (again a wait command) - Lowers the raised floor. TagWait again. - Restarts crusherScript. So the effect SHOULD be that when you flick the switch, the crushers stop, one of the crushers floor's raise, the crushers start again, run for a while, then stop, the floor lowers, the the crushers start again. Half the time this works. The other half it just... doesn't
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I'm getting annoyed at inconsistency in how ACS scripts behave. Seems like half the time the following works, and half the time it doesn't (possibly due to timing conflicts?) post ur code
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A.o.D. posted:post ur code Alright. Below is a screenshot of the sectors, and all the code interacting with them. a good chunk of it is lighting effects but it's the crush/raise that doesn't function properly sometimes.  script 12 is triggered by a switch that passes the following arguments: stoppedCrusherTag=65 floorHeight=124 waitTime=192 pre:int crusherTags[4]={65,66,67,68};
int crusherTagCount=4;
int waterSiloTags[4]={70,71,72,73};
int waterSpeed=64;
int upperLightTags[4]={74,75,76,77};
int upperLightMax=144;
int upperLightMin=128;
int lowerLightTags[4]={78,79,80,81};
int lowerLightMax=128;
int lowerLightMin=112;
int fadeUpSpeed=32;
int fadeDownSpeed=8;
int crusherSpeed=128;
int crusherDamage=300;
int raiseSpeed=64;
int crushDelay=8;l
script 11 (void){
for (int t=0; t<crusherTagCount; t++){
Ceiling_LowerAndCrush(crusherTags[t],crusherSpeed,crusherDamage,0);
Floor_LowerToNearest(waterSiloTags[t],waterSpeed,144);
Light_Fade(crusherTags[t],lowerLightMin,fadeDownSpeed);
Light_Fade(lowerLightTags[t],lowerLightMin,fadeDownSpeed);
Light_Fade(upperLightTags[t],upperLightMin,fadeDownSpeed);
if (t==crusherTagCount-1){
TagWait(crusherTags[t]);
TagWait(waterSiloTags[t]);
} else {
Delay(crushDelay);
}
}
for (int tt=0; tt<crusherTagCount; tt++){
Ceiling_RaiseToNearest(crusherTags[tt],raiseSpeed);
Floor_RaiseToNearest(waterSiloTags[tt],waterSpeed,144);
Light_Fade(crusherTags[tt],lowerLightMax,fadeUpSpeed);
Light_Fade(lowerLightTags[tt],lowerLightMax,fadeUpSpeed);
Light_Fade(upperLightTags[tt],upperLightMax,fadeUpSpeed);
if (tt==crusherTagCount-1){
TagWait(crusherTags[tt]);
TagWait(waterSiloTags[tt]);
} else {
Delay(crushDelay);
}
}
Restart;
}
script 12 (int stoppedCrusherTag, int floorHeight, int waitTime){
ACS_NamedExecuteWait("crusherReset");
Floor_RaiseByValue(stoppedCrusherTag,raiseSpeed,floorHeight);
TagWait(stoppedCrusherTag);
ACS_Execute(11,0,0,0,0);
Delay(waitTime);
ACS_NamedExecuteWait("crusherReset");
Floor_LowerByValue(stoppedCrusherTag,raiseSpeed,floorHeight);
TagWait(stoppedCrusherTag);
ACS_Execute(11,0,0,0,0);
}
script "crusherReset" (void){
ACS_Terminate(11,0);
for (int t=0; t<crusherTagCount; t++){
Ceiling_RaiseToNearest(crusherTags[t],raiseSpeed);
}
TagWait(crusherTags[crusherTagCount-1]);
}
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idk what it is but i always end up coming back to Jenesis when i want to mess around with doom mods
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I'm currently trying to play through every wad in the Maximum Doom doom2 folder, because I hate myself and apparently love 1994 map designs
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Alright. Below is a screenshot of the sectors, and all the code interacting with them. a good chunk of it is lighting effects but it's the crush/raise that doesn't function properly sometimes. Have you tried running a check that stops any code running for areas outside of that room? Note: I am not an ACS wizard.
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i only look at doomworld once every week or two so i just found out wormwood iv got released a few days ago https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132293-wormwood-iv-the-final-chapter/ the 3 wormwood wads + orange is true love have been really excellent so check it out imo. this one is 10 whole maps and dannebubinga contributed in addition to grain of salt and ribbiks so its like a sunlust mini-reunion 
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Just got done playing Boaty McBoatwad, a Boom-compatible megawad (not a jokewad, amazingly) where every map features at least one boat Decent gameplay, decent challenge, good use of OTEX, music's on point - I recommend it!
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