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hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



OddObserver posted:

Pretty sure that UI took me a minute the first time I saw it.

Same. And then I didn’t understand it was Allagan coins or gear, I thought it was Allagan coins AND gear. :downs:

(Because I thought the Allagan coins icon was like. 2 gil, not a vendor trash item.)

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DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Thundarr posted:

To be fair, it did throw me off for a minute the first time too since prior quests gave you all listed rewards and the UI for "pick one" is nearly identical.

Still crazy to think enough people could get stuck on it to risk the entire game rollout in a region though.
Yeah, absolutely took me a minute, but it's kind of... weirdly adorable that the entire game rollout in the largest country in the world was nearly thrown in the trash because of that stupid UI choice?

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Cicadalek posted:

Why does the game not clearly signal when the drones are going to spawn in Cartenau Flats?

Do you mean in addition to the indicator on the main map a minute before they show?

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Drones also appear at fixed timestamps so if your team is paying even a tiny amount of attention you can herd them up to the top a little early and camp the ramp of whichever other team has more points, then steal their drones.

E: this of course requires them to be paying a tiny amount of attention, which is frequently too much to ask.

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another
A minute is often too late. And yeah I know they appear at fixed times, so why not have a very obvious countdown to the next one, that maybe gets larger or noisier as it gets closer? The duty timer only works for it if you already know when it's going to spawn, which most players don't.

Also gently caress the other Frontline maps while I'm at it, for just spawning nodes on top of the team who is already winning

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Ultimately borderland ruins is just a fail map that they should rework but fortunately there's limited need to queue into it for the rewards of the mode. My frontlines group just treats those days as days off.

Anyway I know it's not a popular take, but frontlines is more controllable than it seems, though you pretty much need to successfully shotcall and/or queue with friends. Though yeah certainly sometimes random spawns or random decisions of the other teams will conspire to decide you lose

No Mods No Masters fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Oct 25, 2022

Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.

Borderland ruins is absolutely abysmal and 90% of of the time devolves into running back and forth between deserted points up until the middle goes active

Dragongem
Nov 9, 2009

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion

No Mods No Masters posted:

Ultimately borderland ruins is just a fail map that they should rework but fortunately there's limited need to queue into it for the rewards of the mode. My frontlines group just treats those days as days off.

Anyway I know it's not a popular take, but frontlines is more controllable than it seems, though you pretty much need to successfully shotcall and/or queue with friends. Though yeah certainly sometimes random spawns or random decisions of the other teams will conspire to decide you lose

Frontline is 50% figuring out how to move your team so that you can take advantage of the other two teams fighting, and 50% sighing in despair as both teams just decide to slam into your team for zero good reasons

I also take borderland ruins day off because I have all the achievements for it. I think it's a solid map, it's just about 600 points too long.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Borderland Ruins is my least favorite FL map because every match has monks racing into position to shove people off the ramps and DRKs grabbing six people and jumping off with them

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
The Warrior of Light's deadliest nemesis.

Fall damage.

hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010

FuturePastNow posted:

Borderland Ruins is my least favorite FL map because every match has monks racing into position to shove people off the ramps and DRKs grabbing six people and jumping off with them

these shenanigans are what make it more exciting, though

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



https://twitter.com/miss_xhiel/status/1584957930184790021?s=46&t=_75qew3zGU3qGP8HhMbzsQ

TheWorldsaStage
Sep 10, 2020


Good thread!

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS


https://twitter.com/Miss_Xhiel/status/1584957953551265792

I assume OF is OnlyFans, but what is PH and The Great Purge?

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

(15 posts)

I miss blogs. Yes I know I am old. It is a good read though.

Electric Phantasm posted:

I assume OF is OnlyFans, but what is PH and The Great Purge?

Pornhub, when they excised a great amount of their amateur content because it was poorly policed by them and highly, highly, exploitive and the media got wind of it.

SettingSun fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 25, 2022

limp dick calvin
Sep 1, 2006

Strepitoso. Vedete? Una meraviglia.

Electric Phantasm posted:

https://twitter.com/Miss_Xhiel/status/1584957953551265792

I assume OF is OnlyFans, but what is PH and The Great Purge?

Gonna guess pornhub. I think they got rid of all unverified content to reduce illegal stuff on there.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Electric Phantasm posted:

https://twitter.com/Miss_Xhiel/status/1584957953551265792

I assume OF is OnlyFans, but what is PH and The Great Purge?
I believe Pornhub, who I think purged all or most user-uploaded content because some fraction of it was CSAM.

Kagaya Homoraisan
Aug 28, 2019

You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

Madmarker posted:

It has nothing to do with people using cash-shop stuff to show off or their own personal enjoyment. It is the existence of and support of the cash shop itself that I find objectionable. My issues with the cash shop are really two fold, one moral and one personal.

My personal issue is that I play games to achieve and discover. I want to see the cool thing and then go through the steps to obtain it. That is the fantasy things like rpgs provide, the ability to actually obtain whatever I want, provided I am willing to put in the effort. And moreover, there is at least a somewhat equal starting point for all players, we all start as level 1 nobodies in one of the cities and have to make a name for ourselves. It is the achievement, the growth and as our skills improve and dedication to the game goes up, the gaining of rewards. That is what I find fun and rewarding in a game. I want to set my sight on a goal, like an Amaro mount...and then take the steps to get it. However, if what I want is only obtainable through RMT it fundamentally ruins this fantasy. I no longer can achieve within that world, there is a hard limit to what I can do without spilling cash. There is no discovery or achievement, just bland pixels deprived of any possible emotional investment. It forces me to acknowledge that even within an escapist fantasy that achievement and gain are still fundamentally chained at some level to my wallet. So that is why I personally dislike it.

My moral issue is that cash shops in games are fundamentally predatory. We all know someone who is a Fanta addict or spends ridiculous amounts on mounts or glam. Cash shops rely on a mix of social pressure and your own emotional attachment to your character/avatar to entice you to buy the product. I'm not going to bother arguing that FF's cash shop is the worst in the business, it simply isn't, but that doesn't mean it is good. And yes, I do think less of people who rock cash shop swag because they act as tacit advertisement and social pressure towards directing people into the cash shop. Now look, I'm not going to say anything to someone in game about it, and they are likely lovely people otherwise, but the cash shop stuff is a negative.

didnt read

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

You didn't miss anything.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I think cash shops are sad but I will concede the motorcycle mount is rad as hell


Ultimately play how you want so long as you don't pee on my shoes. Have fun.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

I hate the motorcycle mount in particular cause it's loud.

I'm out here vibing at the point of ultimate despair and you're just revving up behind me cmon read the room

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Vitamean posted:

I hate the motorcycle mount in particular cause it's loud.

I'm out here vibing at the point of ultimate despair and you're just revving up behind me cmon read the room

It gives you max riding right out the gate tho

Failboattootoot
Feb 6, 2011

Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

Macaluso posted:

It gives you max riding right out the gate tho

It gives you 1 star riding, not max.

I think the cash shop sucks and so does all the out of game things having in game things packed in with them. But on the other hand, I don't really mind paying for them either. So it's a wash I guess.

Edit: It just chaffs. The original pitch of subscription fees back when mmo's were first kicking off is hey, we're running a large scale thing here and we need the extra money a month to cover the costs of ongoing development and infrastructure. Which at least didn't come across as unreasonable to me, a person with near 0 knowledge of the actual costs of that sort of thing. But here it's pay 80ish bucks for base game + latest expansion, pay a monthly fee, and none of that money really makes it back into ff14. Here is a cash shop where the money does make it back into ff14 and it's like no fuckers, that's what the sub fee is for! Why are you gouging me on this extra poo poo other than because you know you can and the c-suite wants more bonuses?

It's not worth getting mad about because there are several hundred more pressing and serious issues of corporate malfeasance that have lead/continue to lead to actual catastrophe and not just eye-rolls. But it is annoying regardless.

Failboattootoot fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 25, 2022

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Vitamean posted:

I'm out here vibing at the point of ultimate despair and you're just revving up behind me cmon read the room

Could've been like me.

I showed up dressed like Omega on the Model O. :v:

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Failboattootoot posted:

...and so does all the out of game things having in game things packed in with them.

If they actually put the wind-up delivery moogle on the cash shop I would buy it instantly.

e:

Kyrosiris posted:

Could've been like me.

I showed up dressed like Omega on the Model O. :v:

Once I get there I'm probably going to bound up on an antelope stag, because that's weirdly becoming my favorite mount. :v:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

SettingSun posted:

Pornhub, when they excised a great amount of their amateur content because it was poorly policed by them and highly, highly, exploitive and the media got wind of it.
Well, this is true, but also the whole thing was kicked up by conservative groups to try and police porn on the internet. Which is a bit like sticking a bucket into the ocean to try and combat fish, but still.

Failboattootoot posted:

It gives you 1 star riding, not max.

I think the cash shop sucks and so does all the out of game things having in game things packed in with them. But on the other hand, I don't really mind paying for them either. So it's a wash I guess.

Edit: It just chaffs. The original pitch of subscription fees back when mmo's were first kicking off is hey, we're running a large scale thing here and we need the extra money a month to cover the costs of ongoing development and infrastructure. Which at least didn't come across as unreasonable to me, a person with near 0 knowledge of the actual costs of that sort of thing. But here it's pay 80ish bucks for base game + latest expansion, pay a monthly fee, and none of that money really makes it back into ff14. Here is a cash shop where the money does make it back into ff14 and it's like no fuckers, that's what the sub fee is for! Why are you gouging me on this extra poo poo other than because you know you can and the c-suite wants more bonuses?

It's not worth getting mad about because there are several hundred more pressing and serious issues of corporate malfeasance that have lead/continue to lead to actual catastrophe and not just eye-rolls. But it is annoying regardless.
this is more a fault of the system the devs exist in, not really the devs themselves. It's not really 'because you know you can,' its because a game needs revenue streams like this to justify itself anymore. If the team didn't care, they'd just stick gacha and battle passes into it.

Well, paid battle passes, I suppose. Still, you get what I mean. Look at Babylon's Fall.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Dareon posted:

If they actually put the wind-up delivery moogle on the cash shop I would buy it instantly.

e:

Once I get there I'm probably going to bound up on an antelope stag, because that's weirdly becoming my favorite mount. :v:

The movement on that one is lovely. I'm a fan of the Ixal trashdog for similar reasons; not much to look at in still shots but the way it moves around, or even just the idle animation, has a whole ton of character.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

Madmarker posted:

That is the fantasy things like rpgs provide, the ability to actually obtain whatever I want provided I am willing to put in the effort

Every other point provided aside cause they're too much to get into, this is a wild idea and not true of...most RPGs in general unless your idea of 'whatever [you] want' is defined in an incredibly narrow band of what the designers want to give you or provide. You're never gonna be able to save Aerith. You're not going to be able stop Lavros from appearing at all. You can't go beyond the bounds of what actually is the game. You can't have everything or anything by pure feat of gamesmanship. What about games with binary choices? And outside of how that's impossible, why should it be? RPGs are by form narratives that you're playing a function or role in, their nature as stories are inherently and purposefully limited. This ur-fantasy you have for RPGs doesn't really exist and i don't has, ever? The whole pre-moral part of the post similarly off base but this just feels like a strange reaction. I'm dislike store mounts myself, but to see one and go "That's Terrible. I should be able to Strive and Earn and Achieve that in game" is a reaction that speaks to a very unhealthy connection between what you see as a personal achievement and a video game you are playing.

But also

Madmarker posted:

And yes, I do think less of people who rock cash shop swag because they act as tacit advertisement and social pressure towards directing people into the cash shop. Now look, I'm not going to say anything to someone in game about it, and they are likely lovely people otherwise, but the cash shop stuff is a negative.
This is freak behavior please seek assistance

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Lord_Magmar posted:

They're in the roulette for a reason, if you're not ready to queue into them, don't use the roulette. I did basically all the extremes via duty finder until about Stormblood, and the only reason they were ever difficult to learn or perform was mentors not wanting to be there, when people did, they went by fast and relatively simple. Maybe you couldn't really do it for modern extremes, but by that point people probably know how to play the game if they're queueing into actual current extremes and you can use macros and stuff.

Perhaps it would help if the mentor required synced clears of all relevant content.

Edit: this attitude (I shouldn't do these things in mentor roulette and instead just push people to vote abandon and PF it) is part of why people think Mentors generally kind of suck.

Rather late, because I was asleep, but: I actually did help those people as much as feasibly possible, because sometimes they actually do have their poo poo together enough to learn every single step of the dance within an hour. I never actually quit, although I did call for vote abandons whenever it was a total loss (which was most often on Ramuh specifically, for some reason), most of which were accepted because, poo poo, it doesn't take a genius to recognize failure when you see it. There are somewhere near thirty Extreme trials in that roulette, most of which haven't been remotely relevant content for years; it shouldn't be at all surprising that mentors don't remember every single individual step of Thornmarch EX well enough to walk every single player through the steps, especially when the roulette is much more likely to throw you into something like a dungeon where your mentor duties are more along the lines of 'tell someone what tank stance is'.

I can count on one hand the amount of times I was on an Extreme that suceeded that wasn't on that list I gave. Specifically, it was three times: two Rathalos EXes (mostly because you occasionally get the mad lads that can solo that poo poo), and a Thordan EX that literally took 59 minutes to win, and only swung it because I as a healer was the only one left standing with a full LB3 at the last moment. I actually never got Garuda EX, so I don't know if that's as easy as Ifrit like that other poster said.

I still got abused profusely at the end of that Thordan for telling them it was unlikely and for 'not doing anything'; I might've actually had to report someone for that one, I don't recall exactly. You can understand why I'm not exactly interested in renewing my mentor roulette access.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Bruceski posted:

The movement on that one is lovely. I'm a fan of the Ixal trashdog for similar reasons; not much to look at in still shots but the way it moves around, or even just the idle animation, has a whole ton of character.



this is also my favorite ARR tribe mount. he's a good good (murder) boy

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

I cleared my favorites list for mounts because there’s just too many good ones like the Ixal hound and pulling a bad one like the Managarm becomes very funny

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Kerrzhe posted:

this is also my favorite ARR tribe mount. he's a good good (murder) boy

This guy and the Zu are ones I got just for completion (or in the Zu's case because my FC said "who doesn't have one yet") and fell in love with a lot harder than I expected. The Zu's great for looming in top of buildings.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
There will never be a perfect mount until I get a skateboard (this goes for WoW as well)

Edit: don't come at me with that weakass hoverboard poo poo either. I said SKATEBOARD

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Hang on hoverboard?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
The queue for Rathalos Ex is still pretty quick and I did it recently for a couple of scales because no one was on and one of the mentors was unhappy, but I got that poo poo on lock, I know how it goes. I can do Rathalos in my sleep, I just can't quite solo it (can you? I've never managed it) and hey, I got the whistle out of it!

Failboattootoot
Feb 6, 2011

Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

HackensackBackpack posted:

The queue for Rathalos Ex is still pretty quick and I did it recently for a couple of scales because no one was on and one of the mentors was unhappy, but I got that poo poo on lock, I know how it goes. I can do Rathalos in my sleep, I just can't quite solo it (can you? I've never managed it) and hey, I got the whistle out of it!

Rath ex can be solo'd by warriors apparently. Since the bar in the 2nd phase builds up by gcd use and not anything else, I've also been able to solo it as a samurai and both monk and nin would also presumably work. Reaper could not solo it since it had no attack speed buff.

Failboattootoot fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Oct 26, 2022

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011

HackensackBackpack posted:

The queue for Rathalos Ex is still pretty quick and I did it recently for a couple of scales because no one was on and one of the mentors was unhappy, but I got that poo poo on lock, I know how it goes. I can do Rathalos in my sleep, I just can't quite solo it (can you? I've never managed it) and hey, I got the whistle out of it!
I helped two friend groups grind the scales for the mount, I refuse to believe there's a whistle.

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


Dragongem posted:

Frontline is 50% figuring out how to move your team so that you can take advantage of the other two teams fighting, and 50% sighing in despair as both teams just decide to slam into your team for zero good reasons

I also take borderland ruins day off because I have all the achievements for it. I think it's a solid map, it's just about 600 points too long.

There's a lot of things in the game that would be better if they took like 80% as long as they do now.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

So like I want to play this on PC using my xbone controller. Where do I even start? It's scary.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Almost every cash shop thing I have was a gift from a friend so it's good to know I get to be both broke as hell and lauding my wealth at the same time.

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