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DAemon had some sort of thing going on with his neck in the finale, right? Like it was obscured but it looked like he had red all over the side of it.
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wilderthanmild posted:Second, they could just build towards their own endings based on where they'd taken the show characters. This could have been less jarring than trying to last minute make these character arcs change direction. This would have split the canon, but they already did that anyway. This also would have disappointed some people because they originally promised the book endings, but look how the actual endings turned out anyway! I feel like this path makes something on par with season 6 for seasons 7 and 8. This is also probably the right choice since the show runners felt done with the show and they could have just closed with some possibly stupid and flanderized but reasonable endings for the characters. Yeah, the show characters diverged a lot from the book, particularly Dany. They could have done a simple, feel-good ending where Dany and Jon defeat the Night King and Cersei (without burning King's Landing to the ground) and rule together happily ever after. Everyone would have been fine with it. Book Dany is nuts and getting nuttier, and the thing people hate the most about the show ending is the enormous whiplash of Dany suddenly burning down the city out of absolutely nowhere.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:06
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PostNouveau posted:Yeah, the show characters diverged a lot from the book, particularly Dany. They could have done a simple, feel-good ending where Dany and Jon defeat the Night King and Cersei (without burning King's Landing to the ground) and rule together happily ever after. Everyone would have been fine with it. Having just rewatched it, Show Dany has a lot of pretty clear signposting of where her story's going to end up. Lots of entitled Fire and Blood speech, an inclination toward brutality and terror, etc. When we break down what actually happens: she tries to rule Mereen through diplomacy, including locking two of her dragons away while the third literally refuses to stay - She's a dragon, she's not meant to rule like this, she has to repress who she is. It fails, her dragon carries her into the wilderness, she's reborn in literal Fire and Blood and returns to do the thing that works for her: burning. She then sails west with her army and dragons and a renewed sense of purpose. The problem is the show doesn't really reflect this well tonally, and characters like Varys and Tyrion are whitewashed into rooting for her because "She wants to make the world a better place", instead of "She's going to conquer and it benefits us". So her Westeros trip is about Triumph and Liberation with only elements of her whole entitled tyrant vibe. Then of course the show just abruptly shortcircuits the last set of episodes. If I watched it without any context I would assume they found out they were getting cancelled mid season, it's really sloppy and rushed.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:13
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I haven't read the books in years but I could have sworn that Dany was better justified & less nuts in the books than she was in the show. I guess the show rotted my brain.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:14
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unlimited shrimp posted:Aemon had some sort of thing going on with his neck in the finale, right? Like it was obscured but it looked like he had red all over the side of it. I’m not making fun of you, but that typo means you could be referring to literally half the cast. We got Aemond vs Daemon vs (multiple) Aegon(s) for the dudes and two main female characters named Rhaenys and Rhaenyra. We gotta keep em distinct or we will lose our minds trying to talk about the show.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:15
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PostNouveau posted:These are very different TV shows. I liked HotD about as much as Season 1 of Game of Thrones, but HotD is more of a palace intrigue show than a sprawling fantasy epic, so I don't think "what D&D would have done" really matters. i also like that it handles stuff differently. their is gross poo poo and misogyny and such but its not just "rape shot like porn" or "soft core poo poo" or rape. its more maligenent quieter and introspective. also most of the changes outside the dragon pit massacare(1) were actually pretty good. i like alot of the ambiguity though i think some of it is a little stretched like with beesbury. i will say however i do think some of the after credit "talks with the creators" come off as very brain dead and missing the point of what they are writing. That DICK! posted:Men celebrate the violence of Hans Gruber falling to his death at Nakatomi Plaza yet wince and whine anytime a show has a still-birth themed clip show episode. Patriarchy brain prevents them from finding scenes where wailing women poo poo out bloody dead babies cool and entertaining. i chuckeled. i will say one thing i like its its not afraid to go ALL IN on the really dark and tragic stuff and its not just "RAPE RAPE RAPE" wilderthanmild posted:Yeah, I feel like the problem is they had two choices. i mean the books are kinda like that anyway. the start out as a trilogy but you can tell by 2/3 that its gonna plod on longer and it did.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:17
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We presume that D&D got lazy and bored and wanted to quit, but everyone of those actors had seen their star rise considerably over the past 8 years and I imagine they were ready to move on as well. Kit Harrington thought he was gonna be a movie star. Probably Pedro Pascal was the biggest beneficiary of his GoT turn, and that fucker was lucky enough to get killed off. A bunch of them did stuff right after GoT but only a couple have had mainstream success.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:18
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unlimited shrimp posted:I haven't read the books in years but I could have sworn that Dany was better justified & less nuts in the books than she was in the show. she defiently is. she is also a very obvious teen girl in the books, so the swings work better. the shows biggest issue is the show showing all her hosed up actions(against lovely people at least) as heroic and cool and then waving their finger in their face when she goes full girlboss fight song on kings landing and tyrion quotes niemoller at everyone. zoux posted:We presume that D&D got lazy and bored and wanted to quit, but everyone of those actors had seen their star rise considerably over the past 8 years and I imagine they were ready to move on as well. Kit Harrington thought he was gonna be a movie star. Probably Pedro Pascal was the biggest beneficiary of his GoT turn, and that fucker was lucky enough to get killed off. A bunch of them did stuff right after GoT but only a couple have had mainstream success. so thats why he wears the helmet.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:19
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PostNouveau posted:Yeah, the show characters diverged a lot from the book, particularly Dany. They could have done a simple, feel-good ending where Dany and Jon defeat the Night King and Cersei (without burning King's Landing to the ground) and rule together happily ever after. Everyone would have been fine with it. Nah Dany Targaryen is supposed to have a tragic ending, Emilia Clarke just can't pull it off. I meant that character has a lot of potential. Just keep old man Selmy around to consistently talk Targ destiny stuff into her head.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:21
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m not making fun of you, but that typo means you could be referring to literally half the cast. Daemon, my bad.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:22
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stephenthinkpad posted:Nah Dany Targaryen is supposed to have a tragic ending, Emilia Clarke just can't pull it off.
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https://twitter.com/WiCnet/status/1584986770365501441
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Oct 25, 2022 20:38
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George Pareto Principle Martin, or PP for short
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I don't know. Girl Dictator Dany winning would be a tragic end of sorts for the character, having won a kingdom at the cost of her soul. And Emilia could definitely pull off imperious conqueror. Pair that with Jon rising from humble-ish beginning to become a recognized dragon-riding heroic prince, in an almost cliché fashion - while resenting his fate - and you have a "happy ending" that's only happy on the surface, a perfect fit for GoT. One of my hot takes rewatching S8 is that Emilia Clarke is actually quite good in it. The writing is trash but she's good, substantially better than she was in the previous season.
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Best season ever!
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As I recall, people loving hated DwD so I'm skeptical that the Winds of Winter - which I still don't believe is going to come out - is going to be warmly received by the fandom, which is now entirely its own thing that has very little relationship to the books alone. Man, I can remember in the early 00s, everyone was recommending those books to everyone, now they're kind of a joke.Tender Bender posted:One of my hot takes rewatching S8 is that Emilia Clarke is actually quite good in it. The writing is trash but she's good, substantially better than she was in the previous season. Emilia Clarke is very good as Dany, but what she's exceptionally good at is acting in made up languages. Her threatening people in High Valyrian really sounds like she's a native speaker of another language. I will say that the HotD targs are doing a pretty good job in that regard as well, it helps that there aren't any guttural stops.
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That DICK! posted:Men celebrate the violence of Hans Gruber falling to his death at Nakatomi Plaza yet wince and whine anytime a show has a still-birth themed clip show episode. Patriarchy brain prevents them from finding scenes where wailing women poo poo out bloody dead babies cool and entertaining. Honestly I'm not sure what the point of the Still-Birth Scene (Extended Remix) was supposed to be, but it felt pretty bad-rear end. Rhaenyra all "stay back bitches, I got this, it's not even kicking", blood everywhere. I laughed when the boys were summoned in, Rhaenyra slowly composes herself and starts barking queen orders and the kids are just  "Yes ma'am"Of course the joke is on me, the viewer, for it was I who was all  for the duration of the dragon chase scene.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:43
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Rappaport posted:Honestly I'm not sure what the point of the Still-Birth Scene (Extended Remix) was supposed to be, but it felt pretty bad-rear end. Rhaenyra all "stay back bitches, I got this, it's not even kicking", blood everywhere. I laughed when the boys were summoned in, Rhaenyra slowly composes herself and starts barking queen orders and the kids are just Remember what happened to her mother when the birthing maids "helped". But yeah I think that was mostly showing her insane resolve, as well as her love for her children, even those she never met. Kind of giving us a gauge for how traumatic Luke's death was going to be for her.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:45
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zoux posted:Remember what happened to her mother when the birthing maids "helped". But yeah I think that was mostly showing her insane resolve, as well as her love for her children, even those she never met. Kind of giving us a gauge for how traumatic Luke's death was going to be for her. Right, she's bad-rear end! (I do get the parallel to her mom's fate, but we already had that with Matt Daemon's second wife too, and Matt Daemon almost made the right call!)
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Oct 25, 2022 20:46
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Season 2 opens with Aemond going up to Alicent and saying “now promise you won’t get mad”
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zoux posted:As I recall, people loving hated DwD so I'm skeptical that the Winds of Winter - which I still don't believe is going to come out - is going to be warmly received by the fandom, which is now entirely its own thing that has very little relationship to the books alone. Man, I can remember in the early 00s, everyone was recommending those books to everyone, now they're kind of a joke. That's me. I skipped half of the chapters because they were unreadable. The more I read, the more I groaned; but the more I groan, the thirstier I grew.
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Oct 25, 2022 20:49
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unlimited shrimp posted:DAemon had some sort of thing going on with his neck in the finale, right? Like it was obscured but it looked like he had red all over the side of it. Remember that time he was harassing the Crab King from dragonback and got fire arrowed in the neck?
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Oct 25, 2022 20:49
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stephenthinkpad posted:That's me. I skipped half of the chapters because they were unreadable. The more I read, the more I groaned; but the more I groan, the thirstier I grew. Quentyn Martell, who is this guy, he better be pretty loving important to introduce him in book 5. Ah. Oh.
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It's also her lowest point, she's lost just about everything, Daemon is even taking control of Dragonstone and calling all the shots (and pointedly ignoring her screaming his name). She feels she's alone in an impossible struggle, and she's trying to handle the one thing that (to her mind) hasn't been wrested away from her. Her climb starts in the funeral scene when Erryk arrives with the crown. You can see her doubt and despair start to lift as everyone bends the knee. Her journey through the finale is really well-done, watching her evolve as a character (and her dynamic with Daemon) is fantastic. zoux posted:Emilia Clarke is very good as Dany, but what she's exceptionally good at is acting in made up languages. Her threatening people in High Valyrian really sounds like she's a native speaker of another language. I will say that the HotD targs are doing a pretty good job in that regard as well, it helps that there aren't any guttural stops. Yeah whenever she's shouting Valyrian she rules.
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zoux posted:As I recall, people loving hated DwD so I'm skeptical that the Winds of Winter - which I still don't believe is going to come out - is going to be warmly received by the fandom, which is now entirely its own thing that has very little relationship to the books alone. Man, I can remember in the early 00s, everyone was recommending those books to everyone, now they're kind of a joke. I liked it better than a Feast for Crows (ugh, Brienne chapters). The Quentyn Martell chapters were great.
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Tender Bender posted:One of my hot takes rewatching S8 is that Emilia Clarke is actually quite good in it. The writing is trash but she's good, substantially better than she was in the previous season.
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PostNouveau posted:I liked it better than a Feast for Crows (ugh, Brienne chapters). The Quentyn Martell chapters were great. I can't remember if I liked brienne in the books or if it's just papered over from positive memories of the actress. I liked the arya and hound chapters but she was kind of being a detective at this point looking for them, right?
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ADwD perfectly crystallizes the asoiaf experience where you finish an Arya chapter ultra hyped and turn the page and oh no it's a loving Bran chapter (or wandering Brienne chapter). Except instead of Bran it's some guy named "Robert Connington" and you have no idea why you're hearing about this guy for the first time 3000 pages into the story.
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Oct 25, 2022 21:11
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i say swears online posted:I can't remember if I liked brienne in the books or if it's just papered over from positive memories of the actress. I liked the arya and hound chapters but she was kind of being a detective at this point looking for them, right? Yeah Brienne just kinda stumbles around the Riverlands for a million pages doing a bad job of looking for the Stark girls and thinking boring thoughts. All her chapters are boring af
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Oct 25, 2022 21:13
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Cool to get a direct line to the peasantry though. They're still (like the majority of both Feasts and Dance)) utterly terrible
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Well there's nothing to do, now that child deathmatches have been outlawed.
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outlawed? poo poo just got nationalized
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If I were King Viserys, I would just sit in a regular chair. Yeah, no, maybe a nice wicker chair with some cushions.
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Public Service Announcement: NOBODY BUY THE NEW COMPANION BOOK THE RISE OF THE DRAGON: AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF THE TARGARYEN DYNASTY. IT WAS WRITTEN BY RACIST TERF TRASH. https://watchersonthewall.com/storm-of-hate-linda-elio-grrm/
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What's absolutely insane about the whining about diversity casting is that from a strictly practical perspective, it absolutely worked in the show's favor. Modern people don't really view hair color as determining parentage, especially since we can dye it whatever we want, but by making Corlys black, and therefore his offspring multiracial, we can look and see that all the other *actual* Velaryon kids look biracial with white, curly hair, it drives home just how not Laenor's kids Luke and Jace were, and also how ridiculous Corlys and Viserys looked pretending it was otherwise. When Lucerys is just like "LOOK AT THEM" in the throne room, it's a lot more impactful than if they just had darker hair than their cousins. I think casting diversity for diversity's sake is perfectly fine anyway, but in this instance, this is probably the most justified use of casting that I've ever seen. It enhances the story more than if they'd cast a white actor in the role and they get to use Steve Toussaint. Really demonstrates that for all the "no we're just mad that it's not realistic" crying really is strictly about race. In fact, because it is never outright stated by Rhaenyra or Robert Strong that the kids are bastards, had they made the Velaryons white people that looked just like Targs, you know a bunch of fantheories would be "maybe they really are Laenor's kids".
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Oct 25, 2022 22:00
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Is Daemon’s dragon a different breed from the others? Or do you sometimes just get a snakey one?
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Oct 25, 2022 22:01
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I hope at some point we get one of them chinese dragons that doesn't even have wings but can fly all the same. Just a big ol' sky snake.
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PostNouveau posted:I hope at some point we get one of them chinese dragons that doesn't even have wings but can fly all the same. Just a big ol' sky snake. Forget it Jake, Sky Snek show was cancelled 
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Oct 25, 2022 22:14
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deoju posted:Public Service Announcement: Lol yeah wish I'd looked them up before buying the world book smh
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mweber posted:Is Daemon’s dragon a different breed from the others? Or do you sometimes just get a snakey one? Different breed, in one of the books they mention Valyria crawling with not only dragons but wyverns and giant wingless wyrms that burrow tunnels underground as well.
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