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flatluigi posted:realtalk one of the best things about ffxiv is how the community treats new players with warmth and how the game's designed multiple mechanics to support it, and it frustrates me how some people feel like the effort to continue that is too much to ask of them when all they want are the mentor queue rewards. i think the first bad experience i had with the game was spending 30+ minutes queuing for some non-standard instance, having it pop, and getting told 'lol you all hosed up, try party finder next time' before they dropped group and everyone else left unfortunately the "spending 30+ minutes queuing for some non-standard instance, having it pop, and getting told 'lol you all hosed up, try party finder next time'" is the best i can offer because, well, [gestures at the rest of the mentors] but without the mentor roulette you wouldn't even have it pop in half an hour. there are no other roulettes that include extreme trials, so you'd be restricted to other players directly queuing for that duty. ultimately it's a failure of s-e to explain the differences between normal and extreme+content and the duty and party finders Oneiros fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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in the oce NN it seems to be expected for battle mentors to tell the sprout "make a pf" if they ask if anyone wants to help them do story dungeons or trials and makes fun of people who say otherwise. NN does not seem like a very welcoming place, at least on oce. must be an aussie banter thing.
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Cleretic posted:That's not going to help, because you've forgotten what's often just as likely: that it's been loving years sometimes. If I threw you into Sophia Extreme right now, no warning, I don't think you'd do very well no matter how good you actually are, because chances are slim to none your experience was recent enough to recall usefully. the person who cleared synced five years ago at least still has some hazy recollections they can refresh with some pull or quickly scanning a guide. the bigger problem are the mentors who want the rewards from the roulette that includes extreme trials, but go out of their way to never once learn even a single extreme trial by just unsyncing them all an expansion later though i imagine Dying Gasp Extreme might actually gatekeep the worst mentors nowadays given how many hp gates and instant-kill mechanics that fight has even at level 90 unsynced, so you still have to learn most of that fight if you want to proceed to just get sastasha in mentor roulette or whatever
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my understanding is that even on the jp servers/datacenters, where duty finder is used to clear high-end content, you use party finder for learning/progression purposes. duty finder is for people who know how the fights work
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Oct 26, 2022 14:47
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Zeruel posted:in the oce NN it seems to be expected for battle mentors to tell the sprout "make a pf" if they ask if anyone wants to help them do story dungeons or trials and makes fun of people who say otherwise. NN does not seem like a very welcoming place, at least on oce. must be an aussie banter thing. excalibur novice network is a cesspool of idiots and horny freaks who instantly kick anyone who disrupts their server chat room so that sounds about right
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Oct 26, 2022 14:50
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Oneiros posted:yeah, nu thornmarch is, uh, interesting in that it features all the new hotness in terns of mechanics and markers (shared tank busters, really?!) and has absolutely nothing left to do with it's extreme version lol really? Don't shared tank busters only start showing up at the end of Endwalker?
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Oct 26, 2022 15:06
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Electric Phantasm posted:lol really? Don't shared tank busters only start showing up at the end of Endwalker? behold your new god  (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2txNnDDaAw)
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Oneiros posted:my understanding is that even on the jp servers/datacenters, where duty finder is used to clear high-end content, you use party finder for learning/progression purposes. duty finder is for people who know how the fights work Yeah, even the community that does use Duty Finder for Extremes doesn't like the 'people queue blindly for Extremes' and 'mentor roulette has Extremes in it' mechanics. flatluigi posted:realtalk one of the best things about ffxiv is how the community treats new players with warmth and how the game's designed multiple mechanics to support it, and it frustrates me how some people feel like the effort to continue that is too much to ask of them when all they want are the mentor queue rewards. i think the first bad experience i had with the game was spending 30+ minutes queuing for some non-standard instance, having it pop, and getting told 'lol you all hosed up, try party finder next time' before they dropped group and everyone else left Yeah, and my worst experience was when I did turn up as a mentor for an Extreme, helped them succeed, and still got verbally abused for an hour for being a mentor telling them that Party Finder existed and was better for their needs.
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Electric Phantasm posted:lol really? Don't shared tank busters only start showing up at the end of Endwalker? Shared tank busters have been around for a while. T13 Akh Morn was a shared tank buster back in 2014. It's just that they're starting to use standardized markers and mechanics earlier on in MSQ content so players doing the MSQ aren't seeing a stack marker for the first time in Final Steps of Faith.
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Vitamean posted:behold your new god watching this WHM not cast anything for 80% of the fight hurts 
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Tamba posted:watching this WHM not cast anything for 80% of the fight hurts
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, and my worst experience was when I did turn up as a mentor for an Extreme, helped them succeed, and still got verbally abused for an hour for being a mentor telling them that Party Finder existed and was better for their needs. did you just not use the block feature so you could try to score points in a discussion this long after or what? are you really trying to call this representative i don't think i've been messaged by someone after leaving an instance even once for any reason and i didn't even think it was possible to message cross-realm like that
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flatluigi posted:did you just not use the block feature so you could try to score points in a discussion this long after or what? are you really trying to call this representative Oh, they weren't abusing me afterwards, most of the chat DURING the instance was attacking me. And I didn't block any of them because I was still trying to communicate with them to, y'know. Win. I have gotten attacked by someone through tells after a dungeon, but that was an outright troll that got mad that I figured out their griefing method and decided to just go full mask-off and crack out the slurs on me. I forget if that was mentor or levelling roulette. Cracked out the reports both of those times.
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Cleretic posted:Oh, they weren't abusing me afterwards, most of the chat DURING the instance was attacking me. And I didn't block any of them because I was still trying to communicate with them to, y'know. Win. idk, i just think your framing feels weird. why were they so upset at you when you apparently did nothing wrong, and why did that group try to push you away so hard when nearly every other experience with mentors usually involves begging the mentors to stay?
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flatluigi posted:idk, i just think your framing feels weird. why were they so upset at you when you apparently did nothing wrong, and why did that group try to push you away so hard when nearly every other experience with mentors usually involves begging the mentors to stay? People get upset over the weirdest poo poo. Have you never had an ice mage in your dungeons that you tried to help only to get nastiness in return? I don't find it that weird to see a scenario where people got bitchy about "hey, I'm still down to help, but you'll have way more success in the future making a PF instead of trying to forcibly queue DF for $OLD_CONTENT".
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flatluigi posted:idk, i just think your framing feels weird. why were they so upset at you when you apparently did nothing wrong, and why did that group try to push you away so hard when nearly every other experience with mentors usually involves begging the mentors to stay? My method of helping Extremes I wound up in is to go 'so hey, Party Finder exists and is better for this sort of thing, but I'll help as far as we can go'; the game never actually tells you about Party Finder, so a lot of the time that actually does help. But that alone was enough for them to lump me in as a Bad Mentor and the designated punching bag for every single failure, no matter how much I actually try to help or how much the eventual success wound up on my shoulders; in that case you could argue the answer was 'a lot of it', because they only won because of a literal last-minute healer LB3... whiiiiich they still ignored in favor of bitching me out afterwards. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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Electric Phantasm posted:Don't shared tank busters only start showing up at the end of Endwalker?
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iPodschun posted:I believe the red shared tankbuster marker first showed up in... Emerald Weapon I think, which was 5.4. E4S in 5.01 had a shared tankbuster but it was a yellow stack marker that didn't have the ring around it. There was also that marker in Matoya's Relict for the ice attack from Drippy. The first I remember seeing that.
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Oneiros posted:excalibur novice network is a cesspool of idiots and horny freaks who instantly kick anyone who disrupts their server chat room so that sounds about right relatedly this shocked me when DC traveling to primal for some groups. way hornier data center over there than anything in aether
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Oneiros posted:excalibur novice network is a cesspool of idiots and horny freaks who instantly kick anyone who disrupts their server chat room so that sounds about right Better than Ultros where the brief time I had the Burger King crown, it was one or two shitheads in particular just being bigots
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Oneiros posted:excalibur novice network is a cesspool of idiots and horny freaks who instantly kick anyone who disrupts their server chat room so that sounds about right I mean, the solution is to report them and kick them from the novice network.
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Mister Olympus posted:relatedly this shocked me when DC traveling to primal for some groups. way hornier data center over there than anything in aether HackensackBackpack posted:There was also that marker in Matoya's Relict for the ice attack from Drippy. The first I remember seeing that.
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Mordiceius posted:I mean, the solution is to report them and kick them from the novice network. It's a losing battle; I've been there. Kicks are temporary, especially if you're outnumbered. GMs are pretty hands-off NN unless it's egregious, so a group of people using it as their own private fiefdom doesn't get a reaction. It cleans the racism and outright pornographic stuff out of there, but it doesn't do much else to change the uselessness of the channel.
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My experience with Exodus NN is mostly a weird discussion about food taxonomy after I commented on how stoked I was to have finished the main story of ShB and was looking forward to the patch content while waiting for a chance to splurge money on EW.
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Whenever I come back to the game after a while one of my crafting mentor friends sends me a Returner link to the NN as a goof We both despise the place
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The craziest part is that people queueing for it now are going in with new Thornmarch as their only experience, where the king doesn't even have any adds with him, so EX no longer even remotely resembles normal even to the degree that they're usually different. Wait wait, normal Thornmarch doesn’t have adds anymore? The whole song is about them!
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Pigbuster posted:Wait wait, normal Thornmarch doesn’t have adds anymore? The whole song is about them! I believe you fight all the Mogg Guard one or two at a time, but once the Good King comes out, you're just fighting him. The others will pop up to do attacks, but aren't targetable, AFAIK
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Back in HW, I had a dungeon run where a NIN as far as I can tell didn't press any buttons besides the basic Aeolian Slash combo. Setting mudras aside for the benefit of the doubt because those can be a little complicated, this somehow also included turning on a poison. For those that didn't play back then, NIN had two poisons abilities that were basically stances that changed the additional effect of one of their oGCDs and also boosted their physical damage by 20%. It's literally a button you press once and get free damage for the rest of the instance but they refused to do it. Never underestimate how stubborn a random player can be.
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Veotax posted:I believe you fight all the Mogg Guard one or two at a time, but once the Good King comes out, you're just fighting him. Thematically they're much more present in the new version, as they're actually doing attacks that you need to react to, instead of just being a bunch of target dummies running around that you have to chase down.
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Veotax posted:I believe you fight all the Mogg Guard one or two at a time, but once the Good King comes out, you're just fighting him. It's unironically designed somewhat similar to how Ultimates can work with "trio" mechanics. Two to three of the mooglesguard show up and do some sort of combo mechanic. Which to be fair, is a thing in extreme, you just don't usually see it because they die hella fast.
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Hyper Inferno posted:Back in HW, I had a dungeon run where a NIN as far as I can tell didn't press any buttons besides the basic Aeolian Slash combo. Setting mudras aside for the benefit of the doubt because those can be a little complicated, this somehow also included turning on a poison. For those that didn't play back then, NIN had two poisons abilities that were basically stances that changed the additional effect of one of their oGCDs and also boosted their physical damage by 20%. It's literally a button you press once and get free damage for the rest of the instance but they refused to do it. Never underestimate how stubborn a random player can be. I ran one dungeon with an RDM who refused to use “black magic” and just spammed jolt+veraero the entire dungeon.
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New Thornmarch is so much better than the old one only because you don't have the situation of trying to wrangle 7 other people to do the kill order correctly. I know you didn't really have to follow it anymore but I still regularly had wipes due to people attacking the king and ignoring all of them entirely.
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Khizan posted:I ran one dungeon with an RDM who refused to use “black magic” and just spammed jolt+veraero the entire dungeon.
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Khizan posted:I ran one dungeon with an RDM who refused to use “black magic” and just spammed jolt+veraero the entire dungeon. Who's gonna tell them Jolt includes black magic.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Looking back at this tier does anyone else find it hosed up how nothing happens when you do the towers properly in 5s? It feels so weird that they just vanish without any fanfare....Mechanically it all makes sense but it just FEELS wrong you know?? Yeah, it feels like there should be a checkmark or something.
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https://twitter.com/jaurstus/status/1584739705278857223
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Something new to consider every day
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Clearly I do not know how to play video games
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im over 1300 mentor roulettes deep ask me anything about teaching sprouts how to tank swap and use aoe heals in extremes my favorite was when i loaded into a ramuh ex and half the group was only speaking in portuguese. that was one of the few times i just left.
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Veotax posted:I believe you fight all the Mogg Guard one or two at a time, but once the Good King comes out, you're just fighting him. Kupoltimate End
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