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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Cat Milgram Experiment

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Blue Footed Booby posted:

Yeah, it's pretty common for animals to learn ways to signal certain needs. I have no doubt many cats are smart enough to figure out that pressing a certain button triggers a certain event. The problem is cats also understand that they can use any behavior that produces a reaction to gently caress with you. It's inevitably an electronic alternative to knocking poo poo off the counter after making eye contact.

Apparently cats can recognise their own names, they just don't care.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Apparently cats can recognise their own names, they just don't care.

I've lived with cats that would come when called by their name, but not the other cats' names. They were both super well socialized, and deeply odd. One loved to pull candy wrappers, bottle caps, etc out of the trash and stash them in my box spring.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Plenty of cats recognize and respond to their names, people just like to pretend that they don't to defame them as good pets.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
humans say that language exists, but it actually doesnt.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Stolen from the Wrestling pics thread:

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Apparently cats can recognise their own names, they just don't care.

just lol if you actually call your cat its name and not an increasingly elaborate and/or insulting series of titles

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

experienceBeej
Mar 24, 2014

Then third in the chain is…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


What? No, it wasn't, at all. I was snarky, yes, but that's not ad hominem.

The Wikipedia article you linked posted:

Typically, this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than addressing the substance of the argument itself

To the best of my knowledge, there is no hard evidence that those buttons actually work - no rigorous studies that prove it. My point was that it's very easy, as an excited and loving cat owner, to count incidents that seem to confirm that the cat is really communicating by buttonpushes, and discard or misinterpret incidents that do not.

That's more or less what happened with Koko the Gorilla and her supposed ability to speak sign language. The people teaching her didn't know what they were doing, and they were emotionally invested in being right about being able to teach a gorilla to speak ASL. The gorilla was just making signs at random, and they interpreted it as whatever they thought fit. When nothing fit, instead of realising "Koko is not actually communicating anything" they characterised it as her "being silly".
https://slate.com/technology/2018/06/koko-the-ape-obituaries-are-overlooking-her-nipple-fetish-and-other-important-things.html

Same problem: confirmation bias. Operant conditioning is one thing, but there's no evidence that it's been used to teach cats to communicate. Press random buttons when they want food? Maybe. But that's about it.

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Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸
Basically can you teach a cat that poking a thing makes people give them food and a different thing will make them open the door? Of course. Everything after that is, uh, "scientifically unproven" at best.

experienceBeej
Mar 24, 2014

Hyperlynx posted:

What? No, it wasn't, at all. I was snarky, yes, but that's not ad hominem.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no hard evidence that those buttons actually work - no rigorous studies that prove it. My point was that it's very easy, as an excited and loving cat owner, to count incidents that seem to confirm that the cat is really communicating by buttonpushes, and discard or misinterpret incidents that do not.

That's more or less what happened with Koko the Gorilla and her supposed ability to speak sign language. The people teaching her didn't know what they were doing, and they were emotionally invested in being right about being able to teach a gorilla to speak ASL. The gorilla was just making signs at random, and they interpreted it as whatever they thought fit. When nothing fit, instead of realising "Koko is not actually communicating anything" they characterised it as her "being silly".
https://slate.com/technology/2018/06/koko-the-ape-obituaries-are-overlooking-her-nipple-fetish-and-other-important-things.html

Same problem: confirmation bias. Operant conditioning is one thing, but there's no evidence that it's been used to teach cats to communicate. Press random buttons when they want food? Maybe. But that's about it.

Sorry, I was being a little obtuse while trying to be funny.

First, someone provided a Wikipedia link with an argument.

Second, someone else provided a Wikipedia link providing a counter argument.

Third, because it’s “arguing on the Internet”, someone else tells the second person that they’re a shithead or something.

No harm, no foul, I hope?

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

unfortunately, we can't forgive so easily. someone get the branding iron

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)
This is PYF. We take jokes very seriously.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
If you really believe cats understand words those buttons say, make a button that says spray bottle and see if the cat never presses it.

Zonko_T.M.
Jul 1, 2007

I'm not here to fuck spiders!

make a button that says shame and see if the cat ever presses it. They won't, because they don't respect the concept.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



experienceBeej posted:

Sorry, I was being a little obtuse while trying to be funny.

First, someone provided a Wikipedia link with an argument.

Second, someone else provided a Wikipedia link providing a counter argument.

Third, because it’s “arguing on the Internet”, someone else tells the second person that they’re a shithead or something.

No harm, no foul, I hope?
I'm not sure I want to be on the internet if linking wikipedia articles at each other counts as arguing.

Paladinus posted:

If you really believe cats understand words those buttons say, make a button that says spray bottle and see if the cat never presses it.
My cat likes getting spritzed with a water bottle, bizarrely enough.

Solar Tornado
Aug 9, 2016

A true fool keeps on fighting, even when there is no more glory to be gained

Looking at this makes me wonder

Are gen-Zers just gen-Xers in disguise?

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Solar Tornado posted:

Looking at this makes me wonder

Are gen-Zers just gen-Xers in disguise?

:ssh:

Don't let them catch on

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

experienceBeej posted:

Sorry, I was being a little obtuse while trying to be funny.

First, someone provided a Wikipedia link with an argument.

Second, someone else provided a Wikipedia link providing a counter argument.

Third, because it’s “arguing on the Internet”, someone else tells the second person that they’re a shithead or something.

No harm, no foul, I hope?

Oh! Yeah, no worries.

I was debating writing out that whole post since it's off-topic, but thought that if my post came across as ad hominem I'd better explain myself. All good!

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




https://twitter.com/maariamph/status/1585294850013990913?s=46&t=EaPcTokTr8f0HAhNK6N0rQ

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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.



x

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...




:yeshaha:

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




Paladinus posted:

Also, those buttons are a loving scam. Cats have no idea what any of the sounds mean, they just press whatever until they get what they want.

Perhaps the same can be said of all languages!











Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
okay, okay, you got me

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dOjzBnpWIM

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
https://twitter.com/iamkowai/status/1585675686835986432

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦

I would like a lengthy gif of all of her flute animations

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Gobou is nothing if not dedicated to yume nikki. knowing next to nothing about it, I still enjoy their little animations, they put so much effort into each one. my favorite is probably the one that uses the Battleblock Theater secret level music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNhphyF74sA

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
this is an impressive shitpost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imbPV6CJFhk&hd=1

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

I dig the song, what's this from?

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

https://twitter.com/BIGDON_92/status/1585838480915136513

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦

CzarChasm posted:

I dig the song, what's this from?

Either Mega Man 7 or Mega Man and Bass, I forget which

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet


lol

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

CzarChasm posted:

I dig the song, what's this from?


Heath posted:

Either Mega Man 7 or Mega Man and Bass, I forget which

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eD-CnLO4YA

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Related





Tallgoose and Strike Peacock

Found from this twitter account

Lotron
Aug 15, 2006

Still clownin'

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
https://twitter.com/mr_rat_mod/status/1586809145600184320

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

Thanks very much

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Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under



Oh my god i shouldn't have watched this at work

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