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Yeah especially since at this point I'd have to wrestle colonial laws past my intelligentsia and unions then wait for the institutionto tick up before i can even really start; and I'm already in default. Might just start over in Latin America somewhere
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Mantis42 posted:don't talk about :files: in games hasnt been a thing for years calm down
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As I mentioned earlier, it's insane that two minuscule oil fields would be enough to turn my Germany into the biggest producer of oil, even as late as 1925 (and probably until the end of the game even. I got tired of the constant crashing so decided to stop that playthrough). Exploiting scarce recourses like opium, oil, rubber and dye should be priotised by the AI. Not only is it a huge money maker, without sufficient oil and rubber there is no late game economy. Either Paradox prioritised playtesting and balancing the early and mid-game or they changed some things at the last minute that actually made made things worse (not unlikely, considering the rumours we've heard of France not being quite so OP in the pre-release patch).
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Well after ten years of wrangling my German alliance of trade unions, intelligensia, and anarchist farmers managed to pass universal sufferage. I think they're in the drivers seat now though boy there are a lot of radicals.
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Personally I'm excited to dump a couple hundred hours into this while alt tabbing youtube.
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oscarthewilde posted:not so easy when all the relevant resource spots have already been colonised by an AI that, more often than not, has decided it's not worth exploiting. this is, of course, in spite of the fact that there a huge demand for those goods and ample free labourers. the cost-benefit analysis capability of the AI still needs a lot of work. the market might be purely rational, the AI is assuredly not. The capitalists continue to build clipper factories, just not in the player’s country. I guess I hadn’t considered that giving the player control of the economy isn’t actually a fix for the AI being bad at the economy, it just gives the player another advantage over AI nations.
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God I love this game now that I grok most of it. Currently taking Brazil to super power status with plans to bring the US to heel. It's insane how hard you can snowball, but I guess that's what the industrial revolution was all about. I literally cannot expand fast enough or even lose money doing it. My biggest gripe so far is that fronts can sometimes turn into a confusing mess, and sometimes when a front is deleted or fragmented your generals will reappear instantly at your HQ halfway across the world and have to trek back. But I have full faith that they will improve it over time.
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oscarthewilde posted:As I mentioned earlier, it's insane that two minuscule oil fields would be enough to turn my Germany into the biggest producer of oil, even as late as 1925 (and probably until the end of the game even. I got tired of the constant crashing so decided to stop that playthrough). Exploiting scarce recourses like opium, oil, rubber and dye should be priotised by the AI. Not only is it a huge money maker, without sufficient oil and rubber there is no late game economy. Either Paradox prioritised playtesting and balancing the early and mid-game or they changed some things at the last minute that actually made made things worse (not unlikely, considering the rumours we've heard of France not being quite so OP in the pre-release patch). I wonder how useful it is as a colonial power to swipe the arabian peninsula in preparation for the oil boom in the late game
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Stux posted:hasnt been a thing for years calm down Can't become a mod without a few years of backseat moderating experience under your belt
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Hmm, seems like when a native uprising happens it pauses and maybe even resets all colonial progress everywhere else. Wonder if that's a bug or WAD.
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 Trying to take this in a war will see Mexico back down, refuse to give me a war and give me a 5 year truce. It's insane to me, that the system works like this. I need 5 more parts of the historical US holdings, including this tiny bit of Oklahoma, and it will take 20 years of truces. It's already taken me 15 years of truces to get to this point.
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From playing for a while the systems feel really good (notwithstanding poor AI) but there don’t seem to be sufficient bespoke treatment for events like the oriental crisis, the Mexican-American war, the civil war etc so the game consistently presents ahistorical results. Ahistorical results every now and then are cool but I think the bizarre northern CSA or Egypt consistently conquering Constantinople are issues that should be fixed, even if they have to be a bit heavy handed with modifiers in the short term.
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victoria 3 is tropico but at a map game level. that's it, sell or ward people that way.cheesetriangles posted:
can't you add multiple wargoals? You start with one but I am pretty sure you can buy more as maneuvers.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:check to see if they don't have a lot of +modifiers on their clout score. playing as japan and shooting for an early restoration, the aristocrats are powerful and have a bunch of things propping up their clout. removing them from government isn't enough, you have to push their clout down below powerful and keep it there for 10 years. i went for an early reform and freed the serfs, this pissed off the landowners and the warrior IG into fighting me - they lost, but the landowners were still able to come back and be a bothersome opposition faction because i did not undercut the laws propping them up like hereditary bureaucrats and a locally controlled police force The Restoration handling is real weird, at least as a player, and I'm not sure how you'd fix it given other assumptions the game makes. In particular, I found it very easy to enter a situation in which after a reform or two the Shogunate refused to participate in government, so I essentially had the historical samurai/industrialist interest group Meiji setup--except the Shogunate was only sulking and hadn't been deprived of clout, so I couldn't actually pass any more laws to continue to deprive them of clout, so my legitimacy stayed tanked for like 40-50 years (and only maybe 10 or 12 parliamentary checks) before I XCom 3%ed a professional army and was able to proceed with the restoration. No one was interested in bringing things to the historical civil war point, even sitting for years at 30% support 90% radicalism. Yet also, Traditionalism is a generic traditionalism so I was able to claw myself up on a raw tech and industrialization level with a Euro major, and *gestures to what the AI does in North America*, so no black ships ever came knocking to tip the stack over; if I'd wanted to lose a war to enact Free Trade or something I would have had to aggress over the inevitable Euro colony in Hokkaido that I couldn't outpace because, again, no new laws and somehow colonizing Sapporo pregame is fine but Asahikawa during requires a major realignment. Autocracies in game terms really should give you a near-immediate CW play if the autocrat themself leaves government as a result of favor dropping rather than clout dwindling.
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Gamerofthegame posted:victoria 3 is tropico but at a map game level. that's it, sell or ward people that way. The issue is that if the other nation backs down before it comes to war, you get your primary goal but NOT any of the secondary ones you added later.
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As much as the internal politicking was advertised as important, and is modelled, does it actually do anything? I have been able to just reform governments freely and pass basically any laws I want with minimal consequences. Do elections do anything except change clout percentages a bit?
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Bitching on the internet seems to have worked... Communist party is the junior senior partner in the government (translation: the other party has the prime minister, commies have the most clout), they win elections at 95% and they're rich (comparatively) so they got high clout. Note: clout calculations include both elections and wealth. Wealth counts more than elections under universal suffrage, it's even worse in other systems. About triple or quadruple I think, the aforementioned commie party won at 95% and has 30% clout total. Now just gotta pass all reforms and then stockpile cash so I can survive the economy imploding upon the switch to communism.
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JosefStalinator posted:As much as the internal politicking was advertised as important, and is modelled, does it actually do anything? I have been able to just reform governments freely and pass basically any laws I want with minimal consequences. Do elections do anything except change clout percentages a bit? Other than having to have the support of the right parties to get your desired laws passed, no. I've been in a few situations where the opposition to a law was a legitimate threat but it's usually a little too manageable.
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Healthcare? Sure Education, voting rights, exploiting native people the world over? No problem The barest sliver of rights for women? Burn it all down
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Gamerofthegame posted:victoria 3 is tropico but at a map game level. that's it, sell or ward people that way. You can, when they back down instead of going to war, it only gives you your original goal and not any of the ones you add. I cannot force them to go to war either.
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I really hope Paradox ignores the people clamoring for a return to laissez-faire "gameplay" where your capitalists build one failed factory after another while you just shrug and ignore the economic part of the game completely. I really like being the decision maker, as tedious as it can be sometimes. But usually by late game I'm just auto-expanding most stuff forever anyways.
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My economic tip: Like literally every tooltip and indicator economy wise is useless, instead go solely based on looking at sell order/buy order and how many pops/qualifications are in a state. Incidentally my #1 UI want is some kind of obvious sell/buy indicator directly in the construction UIs, that projects an updated sell order amount based on your queued construction. For all the UI stuff they expose outright it does feel like the most useful stuff is still difficult to get to. They should probably add an alert for when you are producing something that has no buy orders at all, it's easy to get excited by new production methods/resources and not realize you haven't unlocked anything to use them yet. Edit: ^^^ yeah I'm dying laughing seeing at all the people asking for the Devs to take away control of literally 90% of the game from them. Not that there aren't improvements to be made. Some kind of guide to show what the AI would build next if they had control would be nice just to give ideas. Otherwise making the math helping you decide what to build and when better would help a lot with how exhausting micro'ing the entre economy can be. I'd rather they focus on improving the really good systems they have. Zeron fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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Is there any way to get rid of an obligation that you owe another country other than wait for them to call it in? I know you can absolve an obligation that someone else owes you, but not the other way around.
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Tomn posted:The issue is that if the other nation backs down before it comes to war, you get your primary goal but NOT any of the secondary ones you added later.
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Find myself switching between the market tab and the building tab a lot, trying to figure out how many of x I need to build to plug a hole in my economy. Not taking into account what is being constructed at the time also is annoying. My main complaints about the game are mostly UI issues, which feel like they can't be that hard to solve.
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Every monarch is living to like 100
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Eiba posted:There's a finesse to it- you gotta make the other side think they have a chance. Like, don't mobilize until the last minute, or don't call in all your allies if you don't need them. If you've been trying to strike while they're weak or preoccupied, maybe wait if you want to get more than one concession out of them. Mexico hasn't backed down in 3 plays, despite it being USA (me) and my ally Great Britain (who was an enthusiastic participant in each war) outnumbering their forces by 2 orders of magnitude. There's definitely a learning curve to what to demand/when to mobilize, it's pretty cool. Seeing the "nation is mobilizing" alert is a great "Oh poo poo" moment when you thought the play was going to work.
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I don’t really understand how for two games now they’ve made an AI that thinks oil and rubber are completely useless and never, ever worth investing in production of. I guess it might explain why the devs avoided showing anything from the mid-late game but it still feels like a relatively plain oversight? I dunno
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cheesetriangles posted:Find myself switching between the market tab and the building tab a lot, trying to figure out how many of x I need to build to plug a hole in my economy. Not taking into account what is being constructed at the time also is annoying. My main complaints about the game are mostly UI issues, which feel like they can't be that hard to solve. There are a lot of really nice convenient things in the UI, all things considered. But there could be even more conveniences! It's funny, ISP said this game is like playing Anno 1800 through a series of menus like it was a bad thing. But I am totally there for this kind of gameplay on top of a map game. Production chains are always so satisfying. Spacial puzzles don't add a whole ton to my experience to be honest.
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u can use the production lens to build while keeping the market open. doesnt have the info form the main window tho
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uPen posted:Healthcare? Sure Yeah my USCA run nearly imploded in the first decade because my first law I tried passing was "Propertied Women" and that triggered the Reactionary Split lol
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fuf posted:I like that it's not all about war, but I wish there were some more diplomatic options. Liberals are allowed to get heated actually. Have a war if you ever feel like it You can get AI countries into your customs union by having good relations with them, being a much bigger economy, and trading a lot with them. You have to look at their market and make a bunch of manual trades You can get some minor bonuses from government similarities but I'm not sure if that's affected by your laws or your government or whatever.
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Stux posted:u can use the production lens to build while keeping the market open. doesnt have the info form the main window tho
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 I... think the front system may need some help. EDIT: Is there a way to mass upgrade all industry production methods in your country? Double EDIT: Ohhhh you do it from the main industry tab! I see. JosefStalinator fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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 France were steadily #1 on GDP until 1885ish when they somehow crashed their entire economy and regressed to a 9.0 standard of living, descended into riots, and have by 1905 exploded into France, Revolutionary France, the Occitan Uprising, the Breton Uprising and the South German Uprising (Alsace-Lorraine). Good luck, Boney IV. Britain crashed slightly less hard and just had a proletariat revolt sweep the empire. They're down to 200Mish GDP, vs my Scandinavia's 920M. Still have the Raj and the Cape, but the Hudson's Bay Company went independent contractor ... and is still called the Hudson's Bay Company. Also, I second the AIs inability to exploit the good resources for my (and their) benefit. My oil has been stuck at +70%-75% over base since the 1870s, so I paid a cool 12M worth of debt to coerce the US into my market. They've built all of one oil field, and have space for like 30. My heavy industry remains supplied mainly by large scale whale murder. I could probably find a petrostate to annex somewhere, but one thing that is remarkably difficult in a mostly good UI is figuring out which states have what special resources.
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How do you get rid of an interest group? I want the Shogunate gone, they oppose everything good, but if I remove them from government my legitimacy drops to 1%. I don't actually have any idea what legitimacy means in this game but I'm guessing that would be bad.
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Grand Fromage posted:How do you get rid of an interest group? I want the Shogunate gone, they oppose everything good, but if I remove them from government my legitimacy drops to 1%. I don't actually have any idea what legitimacy means in this game but I'm guessing that would be bad. Your laws are probably monarchy and autocracy, which give legitimacy only if the monarch's associated interest group are in government. So suck it up, you have to play around the shogunate for a while, and sap their political power by passing relevant laws or empowering other groups. Easiest is just industrializing and trying to use the capitalists to pass stuff.
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As they said above. When you construct buildings, notice the types of employees. Is the shogunate landowners? If so try to avoid buildings that increase the amount of aristocrats.
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