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Herbert on that Andrew Luck career trajectory.
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I'm thinking Hackett and George Paton are both spicy hot right now, as in both are going to be fired come Black Monday if there isn't substantial improvement from the Broncos in the back half of the season. The new ownership group didn't hire either one of them, so there's no loyalty or sunk cost that might keep them safe.
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BlindSite posted:Herbert on that Andrew Luck career trajectory. I was worried that was going to be burrow but now every chargers game is me being like herbie  mixed in with a couple heart attacks
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Oct 26, 2022 23:15
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Herbert's pocket presence is insanely good. Very adept at avoiding sacks
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Oct 27, 2022 02:42
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Put Hackett in the boiling hot category. https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/1585619694345748481?s=46&t=5rmjZDtX1rd9WUrEBQkg4g
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Oct 27, 2022 14:33
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Sounds Dangerous.
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Oct 27, 2022 14:34
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In this case I believe him, because I don't think Paton is going to be around to fire Hackett.
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Oct 27, 2022 14:39
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Simplex posted:In this case I believe him, because I don't think Paton is going to be around to fire Hackett. Oh he knows he's gone too
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Oct 27, 2022 15:09
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It would be one thing if Hackett was a DC and struggling like this. But to struggle this badly on offense while that's your specialty is wild. It reminds me of Billick in Baltimore in 2000 when Baltimore went 4 games without a TD
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Oct 27, 2022 15:42
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“Kept the team together” (from part 2 of the dreaded Vote of Confidence tweet) is not exactly the vibe I am getting out of Denver either
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Oct 27, 2022 16:51
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syzpid posted:It would be one thing if Hackett was a DC and struggling like this. But to struggle this badly on offense while that's your specialty is wild. It reminds me of Billick in Baltimore in 2000 when Baltimore went 4 games without a TD Behold the Legend of Tony Banks And they went over 5 full games without a TD, it was 324m14s of game clock between scores on September 24th and November 5th. Docjowles posted:“Kept the team together” (from part 2 of the dreaded Vote of Confidence tweet) is not exactly the vibe I am getting out of Denver either Huge team bonding experience when they gather in the film room to riff on Russ' subway ads and public statements. kalensc fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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Oct 27, 2022 16:52
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Simplex posted:I'm thinking Hackett and George Paton are both spicy hot right now, as in both are going to be fired come Black Monday if there isn't substantial improvement from the Broncos in the back half of the season. I doubt Paton gets fired mid-season or this season at all, he is Elways handpicked GM successor and will probably get one more season to fix the Wilson mess.
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DariusLikewise posted:I doubt Paton gets fired mid-season or this season at all, he is Elways handpicked GM successor and will probably get one more season to fix the Wilson mess. It'll probably depend on how/if the new owner wants to make their mark. As others have said, it's entirely possible they could decide to use this as an excuse to clean house and put their own people in.
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Oct 27, 2022 18:01
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DariusLikewise posted:I doubt Paton gets fired mid-season or this season at all, he is Elways handpicked GM successor and will probably get one more season to fix the Wilson mess. If Russ actually has fallen off a cliff, there is no “fixing the Wilson mess.”
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Oct 27, 2022 18:11
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Professor Funk posted:there is no “fixing the Wilson mess.” 
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Oct 27, 2022 18:18
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I'm surprised there hasn't been more chatter about Paton. The only thing he has to hang his hat on is he drafted Pat Surtain. Everything else he's done ranges from unfortunate to complete disaster.
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Simplex posted:I'm surprised there hasn't been more chatter about Paton. The only thing he has to hang his hat on is he drafted Pat Surtain. Everything else he's done ranges from unfortunate to complete disaster. He’s only been there a season and a half and Surtain and Javonte Williams were pretty good picks. The Wilson trade was also viewed extremely positively at the time. It’s not like he gave up a first for Carson Wentz.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He’s only been there a season and a half and Surtain and Javonte Williams were pretty good picks. The Wilson trade was also viewed extremely positively at the time. It’s not like he gave up a first for Carson Wentz. That would have been a better trade.
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Oct 27, 2022 18:42
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Baron Browning is also bearing out to be a good pick and Greg Dulcich is looking like a viable starting TE. Then again, Paton hired Nathaniel freaking Hackett
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Drafting a running back who had a pretty good year then tore his ACL is unfortunate, but really shouldn't put you on any GM of the year lists. Surtain is real good, but what else is there that even looks promising? Teddy B last year was a bad idea. He traded Von Miller for pieces that were part of what is turning out to be the worst trade in NFL history. He signed Randy Gregory who surprise of all surprises is unavailable right now. That Hackett is so awful he needs to be fired after one season is the biggest indictment, but there's scarcely anything good to make an argument for keeping him around.
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Oct 27, 2022 18:55
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:That would have been a better trade. In retrospect sure, but is there anyone anywhere who actually said that at the time?
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Oct 27, 2022 19:02
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Professor Funk posted:If Russ actually has fallen off a cliff, there is no “fixing the Wilson mess.” There's not even a potential out in his deal until 2026
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Oct 27, 2022 19:03
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YOLOsubmarine posted:In retrospect sure, but is there anyone anywhere who actually said that at the time? There were definitely a couple Seahawks goons who tried to warn us that Russ was 100% toast. But it certainly wasn't the prevailing opinion anywhere.
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Oct 27, 2022 19:06
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YOLOsubmarine posted:In retrospect sure, but is there anyone anywhere who actually said that at the time? You don't get points for following conventional wisdom and being incredibly wrong.
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Oct 27, 2022 19:07
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Docjowles posted:There were definitely a couple Seahawks goons who tried to warn us that Russ was 100% toast. But it certainly wasn't the prevailing opinion anywhere. Honestly predicting any QB literally not named Peyton or Tom would be great until age 40 was a stretch Feels like the issue was not having any out option earlier in
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Oct 27, 2022 19:22
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Isentropy posted:Honestly predicting any QB literally not named Peyton or Tom would be great until age 40 was a stretch
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Oct 27, 2022 19:25
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:The issue was signing him to a MASSIVE contract extension before he played a down for the team. Though I guess that may have been part of the deal with Wilson waiving his no-trade clause? There's no option though, you're trading a boatload of picks, that extension has to happen. When you make an all in move, there's no safe parachuting out of it, it's boom or bust.
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And Wilson also either had a no trade clause or made it very clear he wouldn't play unless it was for a preferred destination. I don't think the trade happens if there wasn't already a framework in place for the mega extension.
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Oct 27, 2022 19:29
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Yeah, you're trading for a guy who's rep up to that point was the best QB to never get an MVP vote. They were buying as high as you can, paying sticker price and most of the rest of the league was pissed at how good of a deal they just got. And then it turns out he's shot. It's brutal, but it was the right decision, they just got completely and comically owned. And yeah it'll probably get him fired, because there's no coming back from it.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, you're trading for a guy who's rep up to that point was the best QB to never get an MVP vote. They were buying as high as you can, paying sticker price and most of the rest of the league was pissed at how good of a deal they just got. The only hold I'd put on this is there was evidence last season that Wilson was fading. It was frequently discussed here. Also surely they had to know what a toxic weirdo he was in the locker room.
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Oct 27, 2022 19:36
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Giving him that ridiculous extension when he hadn't thrown a pass yet was really stupid
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FizFashizzle posted:The only hold I'd put on this is there was evidence last season that Wilson was fading. It was frequently discussed here. Not necessarily toxic, but great Qb being an absurd weirdo isn't surprising. Brady's fitness guru nonsense, Rodgers... whole thing, Ben's Mess, Mr. Quiverfull...
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Oct 27, 2022 19:39
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To be fair none of those other players seems to have former teammates hate them in the way Wilson does Well outside Rodgers and Greg Jennings
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Kalli posted:Not necessarily toxic, but great Qb being an absurd weirdo isn't surprising. Brady's fitness guru nonsense, Rodgers... whole thing, Ben's Mess, Mr. Quiverfull... Like with rear end in a top hat coaches, being that stuff is acceptable when you're winning too. When you're not,
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair none of those other players seems to have former teammates hate them in the way Wilson does Oh for sure, I'm just saying Chris James 2 posted:Like with rear end in a top hat coaches, being that stuff is acceptable when you're winning too. When you're not, Russ would be beloved right now if he was hitting bombs, he isn't and so everything is a reason to hate the guy.
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I think at the time it was easy enough to write off the Legion of Boom's complaints as mostly just sour grapes for not getting all the credit.
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Oct 27, 2022 19:43
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It rules that Denver thought they were getting Peyton Manning 2 and they ended up with 2022 Russ. gently caress that team.
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair none of those other players seems to have former teammates hate them in the way Wilson does Openly anyway. The stuff about Russ only REALLY started coming out after he face planted in Denver. All the poo poo about not giving his team mates his number, people on NFL network poo poo talking him about how he acts on the red carpet, etc. Like there was always grumbling but nothing like that. I bet once Brady finally fucks off to the RNC, and Rodgers falls off Machu Pichu during a DMT trip, we'll start hearing everything come out about them. Especially Brady since Bruce Arians absolutely does not give a gently caress.
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Wickersham was on the LoB hating Russ back in 2017, but like IPS said people mostly chalked it up to sour grapes on the credit he was getting. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19446657/seattle-seahawks-cornerback-richard-sherman-let-go-problem-nfl-2017
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Isentropy posted:Honestly predicting any QB literally not named Peyton or Tom would be great until age 40 was a stretch even with Tom Booty, it felt like he was washed after that final stretch in New England. and for a decent chunk of his first season in Tampa it looked that way too. but then he was amazing his second year. but now he sucks again 
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