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eSports Chaebol posted:anyone who believes in Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is a tankie by definition idk if this is true tbh unless we are doing the weird GBS tankie thing
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Vegetable posted:The best way to understand a country is to drop terms like communist and capitalist and just look at exactly what they’re doing. Capitalist Japan both subsidizes and regulates its agricultural industry like crazy. Free market haven Singapore has one of the heaviest government intervention in the world on housing, public transportation and healthcare. Communist Vietnam has a vibrant tech startup sector with fairly little government involvement. No country thinks or works through narrow ideological lenses, and even those that do are regularly hypocritical or self-contradictory. Have you told D&D this?
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Vegetable posted:The best way to understand a country is to drop terms like communist and capitalist and just look at exactly what they’re doing. Capitalist Japan both subsidizes and regulates its agricultural industry like crazy. Free market haven Singapore has one of the heaviest government intervention in the world on housing, public transportation and healthcare. Communist Vietnam has a vibrant tech startup sector with fairly little government involvement. No country thinks or works through narrow ideological lenses, and even those that do are regularly hypocritical or self-contradictory. Look buddy I need big Left or Right labels on everything so I know if I should like it or not.
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Oct 26, 2022 20:38
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Dandywalken posted:idk if this is true tbh unless we are doing the weird GBS tankie thing "tankie" these days has grown to include anyone who defends any flawed socialism as preferable to an alternative, so basically any actually existing socialism anywhere ever
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eSports Chaebol posted:"tankie" these days has grown to include anyone who defends any flawed socialism as preferable to an alternative, so basically any actually existing socialism anywhere ever Yeah, thats true. The definition becoming mega broad is dumb
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It's actually pretty easy. If workers don't own the means of production, it's not socialism.
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mobby_6kl posted:It's actually pretty easy. If workers don't own the means of production, it's not socialism. Real socialism has never been tried, etc
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China is about as communist as I am a supermodel It's authoritarian state-sponsored capitalist
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A tankie is someone who can tell the difference between a T-72M and a T-72B3M on sight.
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Tomn posted:A tankie is someone who can tell the difference between a T-72M and a T-72B3M on sight. A tankie is someone who has a 6 page PDF on why the IS-2 was a great tank.
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https://twitter.com/geringtuvia/status/1585160127271038976?s=46&t=zpUF43z1F2Owe-7h3aiQsg The British Politics Understander has logged on
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Ups_rail posted:Have you told D&D this? taking notes now
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thetoughestbean posted:https://twitter.com/geringtuvia/status/1585160127271038976?s=46&t=zpUF43z1F2Owe-7h3aiQsg my controversial take is this is an incredible burn on the Conservative Party
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drat those Woke Tories
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That sound you hear is Suella Braverman stroking out
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eSports Chaebol posted:Xi carefully worked his way not only to the top but accumulated more power than any of his predecessors since Mao. The most significant move in this Congress was entirely sidelining the Shanghai clique. If it were Jiang that got manhandled it would make sense, but it wasn’t. It was Hu. Yet Xi manhandled Hu. Seems he knows a few things about Chinese politics you don't! eSports Chaebol posted:"tankie" these days has grown to include anyone who defends any flawed socialism as preferable to an alternative, so basically any actually existing socialism anywhere ever China doesn't seem socialist at all.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:China is about as communist as I am a supermodel so your only danger is a true believer?? well maybe i'm about to believe
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Dandywalken posted:Yeah, thats true. The definition becoming mega broad is dumb It's an attempt to taint anyone who is a socialist with the tankie smear.
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It's about justifying repression and authoritarian crackdowns under the pretense that it's necessary for socialism.
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mobby_6kl posted:It's about justifying repression and authoritarian crackdowns under the pretense that it's necessary for socialism. We do have perfectly good words for that other than tankie though, like “dickhead”.
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Oct 27, 2022 10:19
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No, "tankie" is the exact word for that.
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Re: "Tankie" Is that how it should be spelled? Coz perhaps spelling it 'Tanky' would further illustrate how silly and infantile they are. I await all of your valuable insight on this, most important, of matters.
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Oct 27, 2022 10:25
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libs use tankies in the same way fash use woke
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Oct 27, 2022 10:28
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tankies should be more like tank man
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Jeoh posted:libs use tankies in the same way fash use woke nobody woke gets upset about being called woke, but a lot of tankies become very unhappy when they or their friends get called tankies
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Oct 27, 2022 10:41
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"Tankie" seems like a perfectly sensible way to describe people who defend imperialism as long as the imperialists have a red flag, given the origin of the word.
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I mean there's clearly *something* there, as Chinese society is A-OK with justifying stuff by saying "communism". Maybe it could be considered that China is communist in a similar way that the USA is democratic? As in, not really, but it's a popular cultural idea, many institutions suggest that it is, lots of people both there and abroad think it is, people frequently go through the appropriate motions, and several aspects of life there are strongly influenced by that idea.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:"Tankie" seems like a perfectly sensible way to describe people who defend imperialism as long as the imperialists have a red flag, given the origin of the word. Yeah it has a pretty clear origin and specific applications. Of course it can get misused because there's no language police but it's a useful term that also tends to trigger a lot of assholes "Public housing is good" => not tankie "Workers should benefit from the surplus of their labor" => not tankie "CCP should've crushed the CIA student protesters in HK much harder" => tankie
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mobby_6kl posted:"CCP should've crushed the CIA student protesters in HK much harder" => tankie These ones are the absolute fucken worst hey. It's pretty bloody racist to be against police brutality at home but cheer it on when it happens to foreigners far away so you can larp a communist on the internet.
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But then you have to admit that there's a problem festering on the left, rather than: - Well I've never met anyone like that - There's no proof Comrade Zizek was ever left wing anyway - No True Leftist would support oppression qed
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no true soc'stman
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Strategic Tea posted:But then you have to admit that there's a problem festering on the left, rather than:  Is Zizek a tankie? I don't follow him or anything but he seemed ok.
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Zizek is mostly a gigantic idiot
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thetoughestbean posted:Zizek is mostly a gigantic idiot mobby_6kl posted:Is Zizek a tankie? I don't follow him or anything but he seemed ok. There is some pretty severe overlap in the portions of the Venn Diagram labeled "Tankie" and "Moron".
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I honestly can't remember, that was just me picking a well known name rather than a jab at him in particular
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Zizek is a Marxist and a Continental Philosopher in the Lacanian school. Basically he's someone who pontificates about dumb poo poo that doesn't matter, his takes are frequently muddled, confused, contradictory and always masturbatory. But he's controversial, critiques pop culture and politics, and calls himself a Marxist so he appeals to the type of midwits who've never read a sentence of Marx but have listened to days worth of Chapo. Philosophy died with Plato
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mobby_6kl posted:Is Zizek a tankie? I don't follow him or anything but he seemed ok. He is anti-Islamic and a little bit racist, but I don't think he's a full on tankie. It feels like he's too old to keep up with the current leftist trajectory here in the US, and also maybe he ought not to have been made a face of the movement. His prose is frequently hilarious and many of his ideas are good, he is just boomerbrained due to 9/11 or something. edit: Gaius with the snipe! They said it better than I did.
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Jeoh posted:libs use tankies in the same way fash use woke one could say that leftists including tankies use lib the same way fash use woke. ideology alone is not gonna pave the way forward. i figure some horrible poo poo is gonna happen due to climate change, radicalism, inequality or, most likely, some combination of all three and with any luck all these labels we've applied and tribes we've joined will shatter. we've got to all see each other as human and believe everyone else sees us as human if we're ever going to be able to persuade folks of the things that we need to do and get us all pulling in more or less the same direction. i don't begrudge leftists or even liberals being incensed by fascists and those showing affinity to them, but no one is going to be peeled away from that nightmare coalition through even the most nuanced rhetoric.
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