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The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


No Wave posted:

Maybe 5% of my opponents so far have been real people (only rank 29). Maybe not even that. Part of this game's genius is putting you up against piss-easy bots for a dozen hours to make you feel good.

I get why they did it but my partner feels like it is boring to them at this point and not that complicated.

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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

The Sean posted:

I get why they did it but my partner feels like it is boring to them at this point and not that complicated.
Fair. Probably has as much to do with being stuck on random goodstuff for at least the first half of pool 1.

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Fate Accomplice posted:

Managed to get captain America and America Chavez yesterday so once I have squirrel girl I should have all the good pool 1 stuff

Is Squirrel Girl actually considered good? I haven't pulled her yet but I feel like she's more of a liability for my opponents than anything, like *maybe* you could use the squirrels as buff targets?

Klungar
Feb 12, 2008

Klungo make bessst ever video game, 'Hero Klungo Sssavesss Teh World.'

quiggy posted:

Is Squirrel Girl actually considered good? I haven't pulled her yet but I feel like she's more of a liability for my opponents than anything, like *maybe* you could use the squirrels as buff targets?

She’s good in a Kazoo deck where those Squirrels could be 5 power if you can stack Ka-zar/Blur Marvel/Onslaught in the same zone.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

quiggy posted:

Is Squirrel Girl actually considered good? I haven't pulled her yet but I feel like she's more of a liability for my opponents than anything, like *maybe* you could use the squirrels as buff targets?
Soooo many of the pool 1 cards synergize with warm bodies. Ant man, ironheart on curve, blue marvel, khazar, that 3 mana wolf girl. She's a liability when locations spawn raptors or now with 40% bar sinister but she can be so strong otherwise.

Go RV!
Jun 19, 2008

Uglier on the inside.

quiggy posted:

Is Squirrel Girl actually considered good? I haven't pulled her yet but I feel like she's more of a liability for my opponents than anything, like *maybe* you could use the squirrels as buff targets?

They're also good targets for Carnage once you get him in pool 2, or Patriot in Pool 3.

So, like most of the cards in the game, all depends on how you build.

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011
Are there any stats on which locations are the most common and the most uncommon?

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




Go RV! posted:

They're also good targets for Carnage once you get him in pool 2, or Patriot in Pool 3.

So, like most of the cards in the game, all depends on how you build.

I’m in pool 1 and have carnage, I think he’s in the event free tier

CitizenKeen
Nov 13, 2003

easygoing pedant

Fate Accomplice posted:

I’m in pool 1 and have carnage, I think he’s in the event free tier

Yeah, there are non-pool 1 variants in the paid Seasons, so if you buy the Season Pass you might get a variant and then later you'll get the base version. Prepare to be disappointed when you advance eight Collection Levels and unlock... Carnage.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Am I right in thinking the first cosmetic upgrade level (frame break) provides a better credit: collection level value, but after that every level is the same value? So it's nice to hit the first upgrade on everything but after that it doesnt matter which cards you dump your credits on?

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

No Wave posted:

Am I right in thinking the first cosmetic upgrade level (frame break) provides a better credit: collection level value, but after that every level is the same value? So it's nice to hit the first upgrade on everything but after that it doesnt matter which cards you dump your credits on?

Correct with one caveat, there is a weekly seasonal quest (that has apparently been in every season so far) to upgrade a card X amount of times, which is going to be easier to do if you have more low-level cards. However maxing out a card's rarity "splits" it into a new common version of the card with an additional cosmetic effect, so you'll never be in a situation where there's nothing you can upgrade

edit: post-fight boosters are always biased towards going to your common rarity cards, too, so if you need a couple collection points you can just make a deck with all your greys

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

BoldFace posted:

Are there any stats on which locations are the most common and the most uncommon?

Hot locations are 60% likely to appear, Featured locations are 40%. Beyond that all locations are equally common barring two: Ego and The Worldship only appear in 1% of games.

Tezzeract
Dec 25, 2007

Think I took a wrong turn...

No Wave posted:

Maybe 5% of my opponents so far have been real people (only rank 29). Maybe not even that. Part of this game's genius is putting you up against piss-easy bots for a dozen hours to make you feel good.

Whoa there, I'm not a bot (and also how do you tell when others are bots)

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

What are the limits in constructing a deck?" I tried to fiddle around with it and got one of those warning/error signs but no explanation as to what the error was with my desk construction.

TV Zombie fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Oct 27, 2022

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011

TV Zombie posted:

What are the limits in constructing a deck?" I tried to fiddle around with it and got one of those warning/error signs but no explanation as to what the error was with my desk construction.

I think it is bugged somehow. I've had the warning symbol go away just by exiting and re-entering the deck edit screen.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Tezzeract posted:

Whoa there, I'm not a bot (and also how do you tell when others are bots)
There's no way to know really. But the plays are just too fast and too bad and the queues pop immediately and the names are weirdly generic and nobody snaps or retreats after a snap. The players dont give off the same vibe as players in other newbie queues.

Crini
Sep 2, 2011

Tezzeract posted:

Whoa there, I'm not a bot (and also how do you tell when others are bots)

If I won, it was a bot. If I lost, it was a person, unless it was a bot.

I’m consistently bouncing up and down between ranked rewards levels 30 and 32. I win some games (probably against bots) and get up to 32 and then lose a bunch in a row back to 30. Rinse and repeat.

I like this game but I am terrible at it. I keep playing though.

The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


Crini posted:

If I won, it was a bot. If I lost, it was a person, unless it was a bot.

I’m consistently bouncing up and down between ranked rewards levels 30 and 32. I win some games (probably against bots) and get up to 32 and then lose a bunch in a row back to 30. Rinse and repeat.

I like this game but I am terrible at it. I keep playing though.

As someone around the same level as you (but I'm in pool 2, not sure about you) I climbed up in the past day from 29/30 to 38/39. My novice advice is:

* Be ready to retreat at all times. Retreating is often less bad than completely losing. (For instance losing 1 cube instead of 2, or if they Snap and you're not completely confident you're losing 1 if you do it during the turn they snap or just 2 later if you pressed your luck compared to a whole 4). Even though retreating loses cube(s) I try to view it as a long-term net positive.

* I personally don't see a lot of bluffing (from what I can tell). Sometimes people snap on turn 1 and I'm like "yeah, how would you know" and they absolutely drew what they wanted. Of course it's impossible to know when I retreat early but for some that I've stuck around for usually people are confident that they will win. There have been some close games where I understood why the other player thought they were in a better position than worse.

* You will likely learn over time what 6 drops to expect from different deck types. Hulk at 12 is a simple comparison I use when I have no idea what they'll play, but sometimes you can tell if certain 6 drops will come (like Odin, for instance). This won't work for all decks but I'm liking using White Queen since she's 4cost/6power and gives you a copy of the highest cost card in your opponent's hand. Sometimes I don't even use the card but it gives me final turn info to make some other decisions on.


On the flipside--taking instead of giving advice: I haven't landed on a full strat for spacing out my cards between locations. Sometimes I end up with a rock/paper/scissors situation where I don't know where to use my pre-final or final turn cards. Advice welcome, please and thank you.

The Sean fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 27, 2022

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
omg scarlet witching bar sinister after nightcrawlering it turn 1 is such a troll. Bless this card.

I just did a bunch of games with all my unupgraded cards and went up two ranks despite a 33% winrate. This is the power of retreating (and bots)

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

No Wave posted:

omg scarlet witching bar sinister after nightcrawlering it turn 1 is such a troll. Bless this card.

Dropping both on turn three rules too. :getin:

I finally got my long coveted Scarlet Witch and I’ve been gleefully blowing up Bar Sinister all morning.

Go RV!
Jun 19, 2008

Uglier on the inside.

Strategic retreat is huge for progression. If you retreat at 1 cube snaps 7 times, but get the double snap win for 8, you're still positive.

Once you're past 100, it's all pretty meaningless, though. I've been sitting at about 115 for a while because I've been taking snaps I shouldn't for fun.

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!
I often finish matches I shouldn’t just cause I want to see what happens. :3:

Stakes are low enough I can indulge my curiosity about gameplay mechanics and how matches play out.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
Gave this game a go. It's fantastic. Although it feels like I win 90% of my games, so maybe I'm still in the bot zone. Did anyone else in the UK avoid this for way too long simply because a card game with 'snap' in the title suggests something very different and very poo poo?

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009

No Wave posted:

omg scarlet witching bar sinister after nightcrawlering it turn 1 is such a troll. Bless this card.
Also dropping an Odin on a Bar Sinister when there's already a Sentinel there. It took a solid minute for the animation to end.

Crini
Sep 2, 2011

BGrifter posted:

Dropping both on turn three rules too. :getin:

I finally got my long coveted Scarlet Witch and I’ve been gleefully blowing up Bar Sinister all morning.

I must be in pool 2 since I picked up Rhino.

If you can manage, try dropping hulk buster on bar sinister, followed by Rhino on the next turn. If you can get those out by turn 4 and they were planning a turn 5 or 6 drop you can mess them up and have 19 points with 2 slots open.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Hearing word that the Bar Sinister meta has evolved to people playing any On Reveal, then three Odins on it, cause it makes the game loop so much that the Ongoing effects are halted :allears:

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I will say rank 30 feels way more human than <30 did. Like not the most skilled humans, but still humans.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

It’s fun to win with retreats by playing nightcrawler to Bar Sinister and snapping. I tend to do that if I lack the full combo.

Also had another player run the full combo alongside me, creating a perfect tie. Many Spider-Man Pointing emotes were spammed :allears:

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


Pants Donkey posted:

It’s fun to win with retreats by playing nightcrawler to Bar Sinister and snapping. I tend to do that if I lack the full combo.

Also had another player run the full combo alongside me, creating a perfect tie. Many Spider-Man Pointing emotes were spammed :allears:

I did the "move one Nightcrawler off Bar Sinister, play Blue Marvel, snap" move while betting real hard that I was gonna draw Onslaught in the last round and my opponent called my bluff.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!




We broke it

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Serperoth posted:

Hearing word that the Bar Sinister meta has evolved to people playing any On Reveal, then three Odins on it, cause it makes the game loop so much that the Ongoing effects are halted :allears:

Yeah that was a mistake I made once and never again. Lost that game after waiting 2 minutes for the animations to complete.

No Wave posted:

I will say rank 30 feels way more human than <30 did. Like not the most skilled humans, but still humans.

Rank 30 was when it worked for me. I knew it was humans because people were taking forever and actively dropping Jessica Jones on turn 4 every single time

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Are the cards with the Lisa Frank "foil" background the ones you get after maxing a card?

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Charity Porno posted:

Are the cards with the Lisa Frank "foil" background the ones you get after maxing a card?

At first yeah, but then as you max rank those ones you'll get different effects. Mostly variations on that but cooler stuff like gold or black and white if you're lucky

My Second Re-Reg
Aug 31, 2021

Come on down.
Let's make a deal.

Serperoth posted:

Hearing word that the Bar Sinister meta has evolved to people playing any On Reveal, then three Odins on it, cause it makes the game loop so much that the Ongoing effects are halted :allears:

i love this dumb fukkin game lmao

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

My brother got a match against someone with the same avatar and one letter difference in their name.

He was very happy there's a Spider-Man pointing emote.

WarEternal
Dec 26, 2010

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Tezzeract posted:

Whoa there, I'm not a bot (and also how do you tell when others are bots)

The only thing that's tipped me off so far is when they clearly knew what an area reveal was going to be before it reveals. I forgot the exact context right now but I saw it 3 times and was wondering if the data was saved client side and people were viewing it somehow, like the plays were totally nonsensical without knowing ahead of time what it was gonna be, turns out it's just bots.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
Uatu got you all SHOOK.

WarEternal
Dec 26, 2010

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Victor Vermis posted:

Uatu got you all SHOOK.

Really don't think that was it. I've also literally won 100% of matches so far and I'm an idiot.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Bruceski posted:

My brother got a match against someone with the same avatar and one letter difference in their name.

He was very happy there's a Spider-Man pointing emote.

If me and another person play the same card on the same turn and they don't use that emote, I get very upset

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Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Bots don’t emote, so if you can check by doing a Hello or something. Bots also do weird poo poo like committing to a location where they’re up 20 points or play an Odin to trigger their Hawkeye over White Tiger or something weird.

I wish they were just honest about it and indicated if they were bots.

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