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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Supposedly it's a miller cylindrical projection. The Americas are in the correct position this time around, but the polar regions still look gigantic
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Is there a way to suggest to the AI "hey I'll join you in this war if you give me this specific war goal"? I have had the AI offer an obligation to join them occasionally but I'm not sure if I can just say "I'll join if you add war reparations/annexing this state/whatever"
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Prussia randomly decided to try and cut me down to size as Japan. They didn't like that I stole Manchuria from China when Russia called them in to defend against my entirely rightful seizure of Sakhalin. It's 1910 and we both have trench warfare so I demand a treaty port at the mouth of the Elbe in addition to reparations. I land my troops and just sit there in their territory loving up Hanover and being impossible to dislodge until they just give up and let me have the drat city I landed in. I thought a treaty port in Germany was kind of a joke but then I started actually using it. There's so much iron and coal in the Prussian market that I can just siphon it all off of them now and spend all my time constructing more advanced industries. It's not like wasn't lacking or people or resource potentials, but you know, I could be using that vast population to just make steel and engines rather than bothering mining ourselves. Well this has the effect of raising iron and coal prices in the Prussian market a near infinite amount, considering how much I'm capable of consuming. This in turn is loving over Prussian steel industries and more advanced factories. And with the treaty port there's nothing they can do to stop me from reducing the whole of Germany into a giant resource gathering operation for Japanese industry. Man imperialism is fun.
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1st crash after losing a battle doing an imperialism. game good (surprised that it took so long to actually do that, compared to v1 and v2, v3 is an absolute success of a release)
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Oct 28, 2022 06:04
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god loving damnit now the AI is /proposing me/ peace deals, and i'm accepting them even though they arne't that good for me, and this loving war still won't end! I don't understand what's happening, is it because they have another person on their side of hte war??? But the little thumbs up is green and has a huge number next to it for both of them! what the gently caress!
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Oct 28, 2022 06:04
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Might be similar to the glitch I have where one of my generals is permanently busy and I can't retire him or replace him, keeping all his troops at home with him
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Oct 28, 2022 06:10
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Nea posted:god loving damnit now the AI is /proposing me/ peace deals, and i'm accepting them even though they arne't that good for me, and this loving war still won't end! I don't understand what's happening, is it because they have another person on their side of hte war??? But the little thumbs up is green and has a huge number next to it for both of them! what the gently caress! One of the numbers on their side should be hoverable to show the break down....
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Oct 28, 2022 06:18
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its weird, to me, that one of the best income sources i have is importing a huge rear end amount of grain and wood, due to tariffs. like, i guess its all private buyers and whatnot, but especially when the demand for wood is driven by all the construction im commissioning, it sort of feels like this shouldnt be such a bonus for me compared to trying to actually get those materials myself e: knocking down the fuckin landowners finally to 'just' 14% influence and getting out of monarchism is a nice feeling. afghanistan now is #14 in gdp, in 1877
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Oct 28, 2022 06:23
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I could just suddenly form Scandinavia? By going to the culture screen? Cool I clicked it and got some colonies as well. Love the economy in this game it’s some poo poo man ahh yeah and I’m going to build skyscrapers maybe because I see Paris has some
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Oct 28, 2022 06:24
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Ya, so if anyone is facing down a big revolution in your country I found a cheese strategy. if you change all your troops to the lowest levels until it pops, the enemy troops will be at that level and you can then just change your troops back before the war begins fully. EDIT: Also the revolution seems to wipe a lot of your debt once you win the war. DurosKlav fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Oct 28, 2022 06:47
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 I've got my very first election coming up and the Imperial Rule Party had a whole lot of momentum, which had me worried. But then I got an event where one of my admirals endorsed the party, and it had an option that was like "well if you like politics so much why don't you become a politician" and made him the new leader of the Shogunate IG. Unfortunately for the Shogunate, this meant their universally beloved leader was suddenly replaced with a bandit who nobody likes. They immediately went from leading the Constitutional Reform Party by 18% momentum to trailing by 96%. Poor guy just wanted to help out the Shogunate and wound up obliterating it.
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Oct 28, 2022 06:51
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Eldoop posted:
The kiss of death
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Oct 28, 2022 07:01
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DurosKlav posted:Ya, so if anyone is facing down a big revolution in your country I found a cheese strategy. if you change all your troops to the lowest levels until it pops, the enemy troops will be at that level and you can then just change your troops back before the war begins fully. lol the hoi4 classics
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I decided to live dangerously and start as Haiti. Building myself up into the Tobacco King seemed to be going well! Then France happened.
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Starting to notice some weird UI stuff. Like if you make any changes to your trade routes, your trade route list will completely reshuffle itself totally at random. This makes it extremely annoying to make a lot of changes at once. That window could use a lot of work in general, considering how much time you spend looking at it. There ought to be an option to sort trade routes by productivity or by nation, for example.
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Oct 28, 2022 07:09
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Hopefully this is obvious to everyone but I recently realized that you can simply right-click on your commanders in the outline to get them to defend or advance a front.
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 I can't help but think something's off. Edit: I see what happened. The labor unions were the communist party for a long time, but then they appointed an ethno-nationalist as a leader and he used them to form the fascist party. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Oct 28, 2022 08:05
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how is sgf form
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Would be nice if some of the bigger fronts would split off once in awhile or give us a way to split a front. I thought I'd finish this game invading Russia and its just my guy running North from Azerbaijan instead of hanging a left to go get some of my objectives. Just ends up with a dozen generals sitting in a single front and only 1 doing anything. Or at least make it so you can destroy units every so often. I also just really want to know how industry truly works. I feel like I'm building too many of a thing when I dont need them because I never get the input goods shortage icon until much later. Like it will say I have a big negative balance but no icon my industries still seem to keep chugging along. Do you automatically pull back items you're exporting when you need them for industry? DurosKlav fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Oct 28, 2022 09:08
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lmao... i can't believe my economy finally collapsed in 1928... it's like poetry, it rhymes the pride goeth before a fall was me constantly running into bottlenecks because of oil. Meanwhile the American Slavers were just sitting on 5000 untapped units of oil, so I decided to threaten them... the play worked and I got control of Texas easy peasy. (The increased military spending in order to make this threat probably played a part, but not all of it) The Americans were a backward people, here's a before and after the 5-year plan   After building the infrastructure to integrate Texas, tapping the oil was pretty straightforward, and basically I was the #1 oil producer in the world in like 5 years. This lead to an expansionary boom where i started turning on all the oil-intensive production methods in all my other industries. Meanwhile I was growing the Central American Market, having completely rebounded from being kicked out of the British Market... I had Mexico and New Granada in the market as well.  This expansionary boom was bad! The larger market and everyone demanding Electricity (which you can't import) completely made every electricity-demanding industry unprofitable. I didn't have Oil Power researched yet so I couldn't use that as a safety valve. Oh did I mention I was communist Omobono posted:Oof, if the economy cools of for a split second clawing back into growth is painful. I am not a skilled player lol. Command Economy's forced subsidy trapped me into dumping the treasury to keep all the industries afloat, and the high wages from my labor laws meant that the base resource extraction industries were eating up tons of subsidies. (I was also hemmed in by huge expenses with administration and port wages to maintain all the trade routes I had, I literally maxed out every single port slot i could have)  I used all my authority to issue consumption taxes and also started austerity to pull back on welfare payments... this did not make a dent, plus the interest on my millions of pounds of credit was eating into that anyway. I also made the mistake of trying to wind down the rubber industry that was taking 40K a week in subsidies... but then that just made all the industries that needed rubber become unprofitable themselves and things continue to spiral lol  Even if I declare bankruptcy I don't know how to get out of this hole lol
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My early Japanese chemical factories were basically just for explosives, but they made a bunch of fertilizer I didn't need as a byproduct. Well, whatever, I'll sell the excess to Spain, what's the worst that could happen? Well, 50 years went by. Chemical workers grew old knowing fertilizer only as that weird stuff we ship off to Spain for some reason. And then I actually switch things up in my economy such that fertilizer gets more and more expensive in my domestic market. So, you know, domestic industries first. I'll go ahead and cancel that trade route. With that one button click I absolutely and perhaps irrevocably ruined the Japanese economy. It turns out I had been exporting a lot of fertilizer to Spain. I thought it was odd that I had kept running out of convoys for trade, but I covered every island in the pacific with ports and didn't think much else of it. I had been making 200,000 just on fertilizer tariffs to Spain alone. I have no idea what Spain could possibly have been doing with that much fertilizer. But I know that I can never use it all. My chemical plants are going to be making a deficit forever now unless I subsidize them, and I've got no way to afford the subsidies as my whole government income was apparently based on fertilizer tariffs. Spain's economy seems to have imploded too, or else they found another source of fertilizer, because I can't even begin to reestablish that level of trade route with them. Man I love this game.
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Does anyone have tips for beating The Sick Man of Europe as the Ottomans
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:how is sgf form they need to do way instain bavaria
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Eiba posted:My early Japanese chemical factories were basically just for explosives, but they made a bunch of fertilizer I didn't need as a byproduct. Well, whatever, I'll sell the excess to Spain, what's the worst that could happen? The Empire in which the poo poo never flushes.
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They really need to fix the tooltips. Apparently EVERYTHING I can do is projected to end in utter economic failure and lose me tons of money, be it building a new factory, expanding an existing one, or just switching to a new production method if I do it anyway, 80% of the time it's just fine and I actually make money, 20% of the time the predicted economic catastrophe really happens I'm pretty sure I could figure it out by manually calculating how much production I have, how much I should have, and so on but the game is kinda brain-intensive already with all the stuff going on and I can't be bothered to remember if an iron mine level makes 20 or 25 irons or maybe 50 if you have atmospheric engine and how much iron 3 tool workshops consume if using pig iron (multiply that for all the industries and supply chains and you'll go insane quite quickly) Also, the Kingdom of 2 Sicilies is seriously backwards  autocracy, 20% literacy, no schools, no social welfare, no nothing. And super powerful landowners alone in government (and the king is a landowner too!). I've been trying to build industry and bolster the intelligentsia and industrialists to oust them but it's taking forever, I managed to pass religious schools and build a couple universities at least so literacy can finally start rising. Next order of business, get the Appointed Bureaucrats law passed to curtail the landowner's political influence then start passing law after law to get them as far away as possible from my politics
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Still struggling to complete the tutorial! What does it mean to colonize a state? Who loving knows because I still can't do it. I have some holdings in Africa but apparently those don't count! for whatever reason! I give up.
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Phigs posted:Still struggling to complete the tutorial! What does it mean to colonize a state? Who loving knows because I still can't do it. I have some holdings in Africa but apparently those don't count! for whatever reason! I believe you have to own an entire state region, as Belgium this quickly became impossible because France and Britain kept sniping provinces here and there.
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My completed Madagascar run on default difficulty. It's a good pick if you want to start with zero industry, zero tech and isolationist laws. I was able to get international recognition by invading Russia's colonies in Namibia. They activated their armies but never showed up to the fight so I won by timing out. I managed to get all the Civil and Econ techs but missed out on most of the WW1 era military tech. I was never in a big war against a major power so that was fine. Some other jank I noticed: - Small poor nations can get stuck in forever civil wars as neither side are able to raise armies and nobody external can intervene once the diplo play goes hot. - Argentina, New South Wales and Chile never got around to colonising their hinterlands. - Nobody who had oil deposits bothered pumping it so the last third of the game the global economy was running on whale oil. - All my interest groups stopped caring about women's suffarage once they had all moved in to election parties so I wasn't able to enact it.
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Vichan posted:I believe you have to own an entire state region, as Belgium this quickly became impossible because France and Britain kept sniping provinces here and there. Yeah I own the entire state of Bas-Congo, though I had to invade Kongo to take part of it (and fight Portugal AND Spain) since Africa is split up into so many split states. I'm guessing the fact that I had to annex part of it makes it invalid to call a colony? There literally no guidance. "Have fully Colonized a State Region", no tell me how or tell me why buttons. Cool, thanks, gently caress you game. And I thought maybe I should make a 6th Belgium game (yes, 6th) to colonize quickly, but if I do that will I colonize a region before the tutorial is ready to give me credit for it? I don't know! I can't bring myself to continue playing anymore because I'm so demoralized now though so I guess it's academic. Phigs fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Three random points: 1) This would sound like some right-wing reactionary poo poo outside the context of this game but: having a high standard of living without any immigration controls can lead to real issues. My bureaucracy costs are really high because of the high population, so I'm building a ton of Government Administration, but now I'm in huge debt because of high government wages. 2) Maybe this is obvious but it only just sort of clicked: columns 3 and 4 in Production Methods are both specifically about reducing the number of employees by increasing input goods usage. They probably require the most actual decision-making, because it's definitely not obvious that you want to "upgrade" if you still have peasants or unemployed that could be employed there. e: it's not always columns 3 and 4. It looks like any that say "automation" and have green icons 3) The AI absolutely needs some concept of "limited war". As Chile I invaded Paraguay, and the USA sided with me and France sided with Paraguay, even though neither of them is particularly invested in the region. I occupied Paraguay in a couple of months with a few thousand casualties and meanwhile... France launched a naval invasion of the Eastern Seaboard and is up to about 500k deaths with no end to the war in sight. I know nothing is "simple", but shouldn't it be possible to limit the participants in a war to only those fronts which exist between the original two belligerents? I.e. USA and France can join the Chilean-Paraguay war, but only send troops to the Chile-Paraguay front. I guess the problem with this is that you lose the sense of "escalation" where a limited war can turn into a global conflict, but honestly I think that's a price worth paying to stop every war turning into a global conflict. fuf fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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 i tried to invade germany twice but then just decided to write them a check and pay reparations in exchange for being recognized i guess ill just go bully india now since a few of their countries broke away from the british e: its fun to look at your production chain and go "why didn't building 15 more coal mines do anything" and then you look and see all of it being hoovered up by the god drat french Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Oct 28, 2022 10:27
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thank you zulu and HBC for helping communist japan stand against russia
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I'm not sure Command Economy is worth the micro, it seems like I have managed to dredge myself out of the hole I put myself in but it takes a lot of watching the market and watching your subsidies expense to instantly fix any problems.fuf posted:Three random points: Bureaucracy is a pretty tough limiter to force you to spend more money on government, but then you get telephones and turn on the work mode and I went from riding the edge to thousands to spare. I just went and got every single trade route ever.
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it is nice that the path for development for unrecognized nations isnt 'we must learn the ways of the white foreigners' but instead 'we must kill all the landlords'
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I feel like there’s a degree of irony in how many people there are reporting thriving economies slamming to a halt because they tripped over something while communist and found themselves locked in to subsidizing unprofitable industries forever. Truly, an economic system which Marx would be proud of. Meanwhile I’m sitting here with a constitutional monarchy with landed voting because I want to make sure my highly educated but few intelligentsia and industrialists continue to drive government decisions.
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I'm playing as German OPM and keep getting notifications about other OPMs supporting Prussia to unify Germany. Am I in danger of them doing that against my will? I'm part of the customs union with Prussia atm
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Oct 28, 2022 11:27
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The way the economy ties into interest groups really is pretty clever and I think is what separates it from other "build a production line" games. Like as Chile I had some nice new Argentinian grasslands to build on, so I thought I'd finally build up my grain production and cancel the insanely large grain imports I've been doing from the British market since the start of the game. But after building a bunch of new farms I was like oh poo poo! The landowners are back! An obvious side effect that I hadn't considered since I was thinking purely in terms of resource production. Like it's cool that when deciding what to build the pops it will foster and empower is a genuine consideration. (The issue I guess is that right now it's too easy to ignore interest groups you don't like, even if they have clout.)
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I still haven't noticed any appreciable effect from bolster/suppress on interest groups. Certainly doesn't seem worthwhile compared to boosting agriculture/resource/etc. edicts. I miss the old Victoria 2 mouseover where you could see where people were migrating to/from on a state level.
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