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As the whole climate / resources situation worsens, we're going to be able to afford either taking care of people or capitalism. The question is, how long will it take for enough people to realise that to do something about it?
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mobby_6kl posted:but it's apparently also an opinion that a certain country should be purged of the influence of nato and its associated bourgeois interests. By another noted worker's paradise. So That one is especially confusing, as Russia hasn't even formally been communist for a long time.
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there's a curious disaffection between the very online tankie zeitgeist and contemporary Chinese Dream discourse also - when the best the former can say about the latter is that it bashes the same enemies they don't like, rather than that it advances the goals they do like, it's very faint praise indeed
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ronya posted:there's a curious disaffection between the very online tankie zeitgeist and contemporary Chinese Dream discourse also - when the best the former can say about the latter is that it bashes the same enemies they don't like, rather than that it advances the goals they do like, it's very faint praise indeed I remember zeitgeist from D&D, wonder what ever happened to him.
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Ups_rail posted:I remember zeitgeist from D&D, wonder what ever happened to him. Polymorphed into a metaphorical concept, many such stories.
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Zizek came out like 6 months ago with a statement along the lines of 'there's no possible interpretation of marxism that supports what Russia is doing in Ukraine, leftists should be against it totally' and it went over exactly as you would expect. which is to say: Strategic Tea posted:But then you have to admit that there's a problem festering on the left, rather than: E: tried to find it because I hate paraphrasing but 15 seconds of googling didn't turn it up, so have another comment from him on the subject 'Take Putin and his pack, who are in no way left-wing, but rather authoritarian conservative capitalists with fascist tendencies. It’s sad when someone pretending to be left is trying to “understand” Russia because what Putin does is a prime example of Russian fascism. His ideology is built on the fascist views of Ivan Ilyin and all those Dugins. There is nothing to be read between the lines here.' full disclosure I know very little about zizek, I just saw all the meltdowns after he made statements opposing Russia's invasion Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Zizek came out like 6 months ago with a statement along the lines of 'there's no possibly interpretation of marxism that supports what Russia is doing in Ukraine, leftists should be against it totally' and it went over exactly as you would expect. So just like the Ukraine thread I m honestly confused. Putin is basically Czar 2.0 Xi is Mao 2.0 Which was really just emperor with a new title. China's flavor of communism is window dressing for their power system. Putin doesnt even have window dressing....
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Zizek came out like 6 months ago with a statement along the lines of 'there's no possible interpretation of marxism that supports what Russia is doing in Ukraine, leftists should be against it totally' and it went over exactly as you would expect. Yeah now I feel bad, I just wanted to pick a recognisable name but actually my post reads like a hit on the guy
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Zizek came out like 6 months ago with a statement along the lines of 'there's no possible interpretation of marxism that supports what Russia is doing in Ukraine, leftists should be against it totally' and it went over exactly as you would expect. Strategic Tea posted:Yeah now I feel bad, I just wanted to pick a recognisable name but actually my post reads like a hit on the guy https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/21/pacificsm-is-the-wrong-response-to-the-war-in-ukraine
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Strategic Tea posted:Yeah now I feel bad, I just wanted to pick a recognisable name but actually my post reads like a hit on the guy eh it's not unreasonable, both european and american left wing groups are going through a moment of reckoning over supporting this poo poo and imo deserve to have some scorn thrown their way for not drawing the line sooner, or at all in some cases.
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Ups_rail posted:So just like the Ukraine thread I m honestly confused. I see more difference between China and Russia. Russia and Putin is pretty much as Zizek described in the quote. But China... well, clearly the Party's first priority is their own power, but also they actually are developing the country and (most of) the people, they really are doing solid work against poverty, as opposed to Russia's simple looting and ruling. Now obviously there's more to in than that - HK, Xinjiang lol - but I don't see the two countries as in any way equivalent.
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Seems to me the american right is way more supportive than the left.
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I saw a picture of zizek eating two hotdogs at once!! Now that's Ideology
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Kharnifex posted:I saw a picture of zizek eating two hotdogs at once!! Now that's Ideology Number two, that's terror.
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Mao is really the wrong comparison Consider post-韬光养晦 China instead as Wilhelmine Germany having lost patience with Bismarck's restraint, seeking instead to establish itself as a world power in an already crowded and hostile neighbourhood
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i basically have to explain to people that russia is corruption without control, china has state sponsored corruption to further it's goals abroad and at home
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a lot of tankies are convinced that the reporting on China's authoritarian ways is dressed up by the CIA for manufacturing consent from the West regarding attacking China I've seen someone reject literally all reporting by American or European reporters as simply 'China Bad' and not to be trusted. So what, you're supposed to just...take the Chinese govt at face value? WTF you'd never do that with the US govt, why the hell would you simp for another country's govt - because it's contrarian to believe them wholeheartedly? Because a Good Communist follows the party line? gently caress that man, that ain't leftist or revolutionary, just believing what the powerful tell you. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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zizek is a lacanian before he is a communist (altho he is a communist) and a slovene before he is a lacanian
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I've seen someone reject literally all reporting by American or European reporters as simply 'China Bad' and not to be trusted. So what, you're supposed to just...take the Chinese govt at face value? They’ll usually helpfully include a Grayzone link to support whatever they’re babbling about, which is nice because at that point you know you’re talking to a potato and can stop wasting your time.
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Atopian posted:I see more difference between China and Russia. I want to be clear here: if the Chinese Communist Party gave two shits about the people at large they wouldn’t crack down on dissenting speech so draconianly. They wouldn’t have suppressed Hong Kong. They wouldn’t censor any attempt at feminist criticism or anger. They wouldn’t be engaging in a goddamn genocide against the Uyghurs. Whether or not widespread poverty exists in China is incidental to the goals of the CCP; they want to be powerful, comfortable, and in charge and that’s it
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Pooh's inner circle may be powerful, but just like Stalin's closest people they most certainly aren't comfortable
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Ups_rail posted:So anygoons still living in the main land? A few, yes, but much reduced I believe. I'm still haunting East China.
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Darkest Auer posted:Pooh's inner circle may be powerful, but just like Stalin's closest people they most certainly aren't comfortable ngl for a second i thought i stepped into a derail about tails gets trolled, i had to double take the thread title
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Ups_rail posted:So anygoons still living in the main land? Yep. Been out here since 2019. My Chinese is still poo poo.
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Across the border in HK since COVID although allegedly I’ll be going north again if/when things open up. Which will be fun, the current environment being what it is.
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Ups_rail posted:So anygoons still living in the main land? Still here, getting cold up north now.
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Ups_rail posted:So just like the Ukraine thread I m honestly confused. You see, Ukraine has a nazi problem. Nazis are fascists. 'When' Russia returns Ukraine into the gentle embrace of their Union, there will no longer be any fascists and the final result will be identical to the Soviet Union in all but name. All it needs is the first step. That step being irridentism (read: revanchism).
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So it seems something happened in korea for halloween https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/29/asia/south-korea-halloween-cardiac-arrest-intl/index.html
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Ups_rail posted:So it seems something happened in korea for halloween WTF. Cause of death unknown. "people fell". heart attacks and such, wtf is this article
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ninjoatse.cx posted:WTF. Cause of death unknown. "people fell". heart attacks and such, wtf is this article It was an enormous stampede at Itaewon Halloween. South Korean media does like Japan and reports people as "in cardiac arrest" instead of saying they're dead until doctors declare it or whatever. Reports are it was horrific though. Body bags everywhere.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:WTF. Cause of death unknown. "people fell". heart attacks and such, wtf is this article https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63440849 Don't watch the video if you're triggered by dense crowds. quote:More than 100 people have died in a crush among huge Halloween crowds in a popular nightlife area of South Korea's capital, officials say. There are rumors about what caused the crush (a popular one being some famous singer/actor was spotted a club nearby and people wanted to gawk), but basically: over 100k people came out to a smaller area for the parties, the streets are were already super packed, something spurned a rush through a backstreet/alley, and everyone in there got stuck. Heart attacks are common in crushing situations like this because of physical pressure doing something to the blood flow and also preventing the lungs from expanding/breathing properly, mixed with panic and elevated heart rate. Add in alcohol, too. Someone can probably explain it better, but getting crushed can definitely kill you even if it's for a very short period.
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This article says 146 dead, hoooly poo poo  https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/29/asia/south-korea-halloween-cardiac-arrest-intl/index.html Some pretty  poo poo visible here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRYHYWlMjW0
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Grand Fromage posted:It was an enormous stampede at Itaewon Halloween. South Korean media does like Japan and reports people as "in cardiac arrest" instead of saying they're dead until doctors declare it or whatever. Reports are it was horrific though. Body bags everywhere.
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