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Kull the Conqueror posted:Here's a question for the gallery. Let's say there's a fantastical company that doesn't care about liability and willfully commits to moderating their large social media platform to weed out malicious behavior like harassment, threats, and disinfo. Even if they are completely benevolent and driven in their pursuit, is it practical or even possible to regulate a platform with a population in the hundreds of millions? Is there a system one could design or enough man-hours dedicated to moderation that it would be feasible? The Nintendo Wii U's Miiverse somehow did this quite miraculously, but it had an audience of single-digit millions at best.
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I don't understand how Pantone can assert IP control over colors this way.
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Cicero posted:I don't understand how Pantone can assert IP control over colors this way. Gotta seek that rent money somehow.
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Oct 28, 2022 16:50
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The colors are proprietary.
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Oct 28, 2022 16:51
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Cicero posted:I don't understand how Pantone can assert IP control over colors this way. They can’t. They can assert control over their colour code database in Adobe products though: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1585913960741609472?s=61&t=SK6XaJSbY4FzC9ncMgEIrQ (thread)
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Oct 28, 2022 16:52
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Comstar posted:No please! I avoid using Twitter because 95% of what I read of it are posts on here. Well in theory it would just mean twitter users would need to screenshot the tweets before posting them here, and is better practice anyways so people can see them after a tweet gets removed for whatever reason.
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Oct 28, 2022 16:55
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Cicero posted:I don't understand how Pantone can assert IP control over colors this way. It's not the colors themselves that Pantone is asserting control over, but the premade color swatches specialized for various print media forms, and numbered in their own bespoke numbering system which adds special inks when printed.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:06
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 They just sold the company for billions more than it was worth. That is A+++ C-suite executiving.I'm beginning to think this Elon Musk guy is not very bright or good at running a business.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:18
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In principle you could probably do Twitter moderation half-decently if you did something like the following: - Accounts are tied to credit cards, so bots aren’t anywhere near as much of a thing and people who are banned can’t trivially hop back on with an alt. Also, people who send death and rape threats can be reported to the police. - Accounts are moderated proportional to their reach. Accounts with millions of followers or belonging to public figures, or tweets with millions of retweets, get more scrutiny. They’re the ones that can do the most damage, and there are few enough of them that you can actually hire a team of moderators. - Smaller accounts are moderated via human reports that are run through (lovely and inaccurate) AI, leading to a ramping scale of probes and bans like SA. When someone is inappropriately banned, they can pay a token fee (say £20) to have a human spend a few minutes reviewing the ban. If the appeal is successful, they get the money back. If the human report is obviously fraudulent, then the reporter gets banned instead. The unsuccessful appeals pay the salaries of the people needed to deal with the successful ones, and brigading with nonsense appeals is a short-lived problem because the people doing it get banned. That completely ignores the social problem of deciding what to moderate, of course, but on a technical level I reckon it would work.
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Oct 28, 2022 17:29
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Jose Valasquez posted:Twitter in Latest mode is great. I only see the people I explicitly follow This is the thing. People don’t do this, they see the feed. I only get infosec, retro and #NarkoTwitter posts (and the occasional Bloomberg ad wtf) but none of the Russian bots. I bet Elon’s gonna change that though ^^^ I agree
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Oct 28, 2022 18:47
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The Latest mode falls apart when you follow more than a few people. I recall having to scroll like a crazy ton in Twitter’s early days to catch up on what I missed and inevitably giving up. Heck I get that problem on YouTube now too, with their Subscriptions feed. You need an algorithm or something to help you sort your feed.
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Oct 28, 2022 19:04
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Inferior Third Season posted:
Yeah, they literally made out like bandits in the buyout. And if Elon turns around and fires them, they get to golden parachute out of the burning airplane with even more millions and then continue to fail upward in their next position.
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Oct 28, 2022 19:10
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DeathSandwich posted:Yeah, they literally made out like bandits in the buyout. And if Elon turns around and fires them, they get to golden parachute out of the burning airplane with even more millions and then continue to fail upward in their next position. This is one time they didn't fail upward. That is total wins all around.
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Oct 28, 2022 19:27
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https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1585703468425101312?t=IWoRGdojtp-9fVy2TXApgg&s=19
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Oct 28, 2022 19:37
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Vegetable posted:The Latest mode falls apart when you follow more than a few people. I recall having to scroll like a crazy ton in Twitter’s early days to catch up on what I missed and inevitably giving up. Heck I get that problem on YouTube now too, with their Subscriptions feed. Follow fewer people or don't feel obligated to read everything. There are only like a dozen people worth following anyway
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Oct 28, 2022 23:01
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When you follow just over a hundred artists and people you actually want to follow, and keep retweets off for some people, then you have a very enjoyable time so long as you don't read/click the trending tab and stumble upon moronic-fake-politics discussion.
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Oct 28, 2022 23:31
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pumpinglemma posted:When someone is inappropriately banned, they can pay a token fee (say £20) to have a human spend a few minutes reviewing the ban. Not sure the £ is still considered legal tendered these days. You'd probably want to charge actually money.
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Oct 28, 2022 23:46
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Since everyone you follow on Twitter all goes into the same feed, I'd get serious posts about crimes against humanity mixed in with funny nonsense and a guy doing weird things with ancient computers. There's no separation of topics, just an endless feed of misery and things you use to avoid thinking about misery.
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Oct 28, 2022 23:47
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ponzicar posted:Since everyone you follow on Twitter all goes into the same feed, I'd get serious posts about crimes against humanity mixed in with funny nonsense and a guy doing weird things with ancient computers. There's no separation of topics, just an endless feed of misery and things you use to avoid thinking about misery. You can set up lists and add accounts to them, then display different feeds based on them.
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Oct 28, 2022 23:56
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dr_rat posted:Not sure the £ is still considered legal tendered these days. It's worth slightly more than the dollar
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Here's a question for the gallery. Let's say there's a fantastical company that doesn't care about liability and willfully commits to moderating their large social media platform to weed out malicious behavior like harassment, threats, and disinfo. Even if they are completely benevolent and driven in their pursuit, is it practical or even possible to regulate a platform with a population in the hundreds of millions? Is there a system one could design or enough man-hours dedicated to moderation that it would be feasible? We figured this poo poo out in the 90s. Just charge 10 bucks to post. Lurking is free.
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:It's worth slightly more than the dollar Okay Mr. Sunak, we believe you. (wink, wink)
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Oct 29, 2022 01:09
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Arivia posted:They can’t. They can assert control over their colour code database in Adobe products though: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1585913960741609472?s=61&t=SK6XaJSbY4FzC9ncMgEIrQ (thread) So that's why his blog posts look like that, they're supposed to work like Twitter threads.
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Oct 29, 2022 02:15
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dr_rat posted:Okay Mr. Sunak, we believe you. (wink, wink) The exchange rate is like $1.13 to the pound , you can Google it
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Oct 29, 2022 02:28
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Thing is that actually cultivating a community requires effort, vision, communication and flexibility,
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Oct 29, 2022 02:52
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Funny to see news articles pinning the increase on hate speech and racism tweets directly on Musk's purchase of twitter. I'd say "he's a billionaire he doesn't care" but of course he cares deeply and will be incredibly publicly upset with the slew of articles being written about how racism and hate speech florish under "Musk owned twitter"
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Levitate posted:Funny to see news articles pinning the increase on hate speech and racism tweets directly on Musk's purchase of twitter. I'd say "he's a billionaire he doesn't care" but of course he cares deeply and will be incredibly publicly upset with the slew of articles being written about how racism and hate speech florish under "Musk owned twitter" I do think he cares deeply about racism on Twitter, but nothing has indicated that he'd be upset by it or by being associated with it. He's put out a ton of alt-right-style rhetoric about buying Twitter to "promote free speech" and make it an "open forum", ie he bought it to unban the Nazis. Of course he posts a lot of bullshit that he either walks back later or was obviously just posting to gently caress with people, but Poe's law.
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Oct 29, 2022 05:25
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I think the idea was that he cares about the press making fun of him.
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Whatever goes on with Twitter I guarantee it is going to make Musk miserable quickly.
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Oct 29, 2022 05:46
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Oh yeah. If nothing else, it was a leveraged buyout. Those are bad enough in terms of plundering otherwise-viable enterprises to pay their own purchase price (see Toys R Us). But Twitter isn't even profitable. Also he fired the entire C-suite, so now presumably he gets to do their jobs instead.
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Oct 29, 2022 05:56
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Arivia posted:They can’t. They can assert control over their colour code database in Adobe products though: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1585913960741609472?s=61&t=SK6XaJSbY4FzC9ncMgEIrQ (thread) A link to the actual article for people who aren't insane for wanting to read twit thread bullshit. https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/28/fade-to-black/#trust-the-process
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Humphreys posted:A link to the actual article for people who aren't insane for wanting to read twit thread bullshit.
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Vegetable posted:I can’t say I fault Pantone for trying to make money in some way. They clearly invest money to create and maintain their color universe. If people are willing to subscribe to match a hex color to their Pantone color and Pantone has the legal rights to make it a product, why not? People already made the loving thing, though. This is like if you painted your house and then the paint company came by a few years later and told you "yeah, well, the licensing agreement with your contractor lapsed, so we're replacing all instances of Premium Color® Eggshell White® with public domain hue of puke."
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Adobe was paying a licensing fee to Pantone so you didn’t have to pay. This is the equivalent of Spotify deciding it no longer wants to pay UMG or Sony for their songs, so they disappear from your playlist — a playlist you might have had for many years. Adobe agreed to the licensing terms, and you agreed to them when you bought Photoshop. Everything you buy is built on some structure of contracts. Yes, you’d avoid all that with open source software. But if you could have, you would have already. Proprietary software unlocks all the sick poo poo that people want and are willing to pay for, which apparently includes color names. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vegetable posted:I can’t say I fault Pantone for trying to make money in some way. They clearly invest money to create and maintain their color universe. If people are willing to subscribe to match a hex color to their Pantone color and Pantone has the legal rights to make it a product, why not? I don't think they actually have any legally enforceable rights to a Pantone label => RGB color mapping. There's no patent or copyright there. There is maybe trademark if you want to argue that using the names is implying that Pantone is endorsing a particular approximation. The color that will display on a monitor or non-Pantone calibrated printer is just an approximation anyway. It will depend on the monitor's color calibration and ambient light, plus lots of those colors aren't in the RGB gamut and are unproducible anyway. Pantone would like money if they can get it, and Adobe would rather piss off their customers than Pantone.
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I am incredibly happy to fault a company for first letting something become absolutely necessary and then retroactively gating it behind an obscene ($21/month!) subscription for all existing work. Especially when the people relying on it were never meaningfully warned that this could happen. Even more especially when the thing in question is a loving RGB value in a file. Like, if the subscription was just to have access to a Pantone colour picker widget in future work then that’s one thing, but it’s effectively holding all past work hostage as well.
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Pantone should generate their income from the process of printing using their colour definitions, not people wanting to specify their colours. This would be like lighting manufacturers charging designers for LDT files.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Oh yeah. If nothing else, it was a leveraged buyout. Those are bad enough in terms of plundering otherwise-viable enterprises to pay their own purchase price (see Toys R Us). But Twitter isn't even profitable. drat now hes gonna have 5 meetings a day that accomplish nothing instead of one
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Arivia posted:They can’t. They can assert control over their colour code database in Adobe products though: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1585913960741609472?s=61&t=SK6XaJSbY4FzC9ncMgEIrQ (thread) God drat, I got out of the graphic design/printing/sign making industry just in time. Quark XPress routinely year after year and we all had to sit around and take it because their was not real competition. Adobe gradually perfects InDesign and eventually it crushes Quark to death. Now Adobe fucks with their customers because there is no real competition and we're forced to buy monthly whatever bullshit they decide to "upgrade" (or break) every loving year. Reminds me of the Madden/NFL2k saga. One thing Adobe did one year that hosed our shop over pretty good was change its "type engiine" - or how it flows text basically. A HUGE staple of the print industry is repeat jobs and reprints as well as printing older jobs and layouts with minor changes to them (like changing dates or something) 100 page books were constantly getting hosed up because when you opened an older InDesign file with the new cloud version, the text would reflow all through the layout; sometimes even off the page. It was a loving nightmare and there was zero reason Adobe had to do this. EDIT Oh yeah. Also, a while back, either Pantone or Adobe changed their color builds which lead to a poo poo ton of unintended color shifts and logos and art not matching previous versions. Stuff like letterheads, business cards and envelopes that are central to the company identity. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Oct 29, 2022 |
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