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*stroking chin for a moment* Thierry Bidet Got'em
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His Divine Shadow posted:The further south you get the better, so it's OK at the southernmost parts of europe. But for most of europe which lies further north, it's not a good use of finite resources. Yes, this is the part where living beyond your means kicks in.in terms of eu solidarity, i already pay double the price for a bag of wodden pellets and theres massive shortages for those here because we are sending them to northern and central europe. Now i spent 1500 euros installing a wooden stove and have to chop wood like a peasant. On a more serious note, i hope this is a mild winter, the thing is we are hoping the same brokebrained morons who led us here with disastrous policies can magicaly get this one right, and we are going to need a decade of mild winters if they do.
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Oct 27, 2022 22:13
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Hey I'm from scandinavia, scandinavian power is what keeps the part of the continent from having blackouts and it's raised power prices several hundred percent here as a consequence. My electricity is 600% more expensive now than one year ago. So that's solidarity IMO. And my house's primary heating is electricity (heat pump).
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Oct 28, 2022 04:19
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Oct 28, 2022 06:46
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They lowered the VAT on electricity. But my new price is with the VAT included, so granted it'd have been more than that without the lowered VAT.
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Oct 28, 2022 07:11
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repeat after me: Percentage increases are meaningless without absolute values. Absolute increases are meaningless without percentage values.
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Oct 28, 2022 08:51
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There is absolutely enough LNG available on the world market to solve Europe's heating issues, the problem is the lack of terminal capacity to "unload" it. This year's gas storages were filled with a lot of Russian gas still, which needs to be replaced next year. Whether there will be enough LNG terminals built to satisfy demand is the open question that will determine how difficult next year's winter will be. I'm relatively confident that enough capacity will be available in 2024 though. But Europe will still pay a premium on energy as compared to the time of cheap Russian gas, which will lower it's competitiveness somewhat, and overall will make Europe a bit poorer than if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine. But I don't think we're facing a decade of economic malaise that will leave Europe crippled in the 2030s.
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Oct 28, 2022 09:05
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Mano posted:repeat after me: It went from 5 to 30 cents (+5 cents transfer fee) per kWh
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Oct 28, 2022 09:10
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Mano posted:repeat after me: if electricity was 10% of my income and now it's 20%, and my income didn't change, I think that holds some meaning
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Oct 28, 2022 09:31
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Last bimester's electricity bill for me was double what I paid in the same bimester last year despite me consuming less electricity. How's that for a meaningful increase, lol
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Oct 28, 2022 09:56
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I keep 16-17C indoor temperature, wear long johns and count myself lucky I got firewood to get a few extra degrees of heating in the house with a masonry heater.
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Oct 28, 2022 10:36
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His Divine Shadow posted:It went from 5 to 30 cents (+5 cents transfer fee) per kWh I absolutely sucks, I don't disagree, but I think we'll survive this.
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Oct 28, 2022 10:38
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mobby_6kl posted:So it's now about what I've been paying for years on like 1/4th of typical Nordic income. How much is your electricity bill per month?
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mobby_6kl posted:So it's now about what I've been paying for years on like 1/4th of typical Nordic income. Survive, but not prosper.
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Oct 28, 2022 11:05
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I was at 30 cents and am now at double that at least. And I'm thinking we'll be fine even though I'm struggling on less than min wage. Like, if the alternative is acquiescing to putin or loving over Southern Europe or others I'll just live with it for a few years or however long it takes.
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Mano posted:repeat after me:
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Torrannor posted:There is absolutely enough LNG available on the world market to solve Europe's heating issues, the problem is the lack of terminal capacity to "unload" it. This year's gas storages were filled with a lot of Russian gas still, which needs to be replaced next year. Whether there will be enough LNG terminals built to satisfy demand is the open question that will determine how difficult next year's winter will be. I'm relatively confident that enough capacity will be available in 2024 though. But Europe will still pay a premium on energy as compared to the time of cheap Russian gas, which will lower it's competitiveness somewhat, and overall will make Europe a bit poorer than if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine. But I don't think we're facing a decade of economic malaise that will leave Europe crippled in the 2030s. Yeah thats about right according to any experts I've read - winter 22/23 should be expensive, but workable, now. EU storage levels are higher than expected (94% as of today) and this ongoing heat wave across most of the continent (its 24C in Paris this weekend  ) is shortening the winter. Winter 24/25 will be fine too, enough LNG capacity will be online by then and demand will also have been reduced somewhat by higher prices, government incentives etc.Winter 23/24 is going to be the real test because all of the LNG terminals won't be online yet and the EU won't have been able to fill storage over the 2023 spring/summer with Russian gas. Russia only really started cutting off supply in the late summer this year, after having supplied huge amounts into EU storage for the winter already. It was a huge strategic blunder by Putin because he didn't expect the war to drag on the way it has.
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By mid-2023 the Tyra Field should be online again, which will certainly help.
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All those resources that could've been put into renewables and mitigating climate change are now instead being put into more gas infrastructure and military expansion because an old bunker gnome felt like starting a land war in Europe and kill a lot of people to put his name in the history books as a good orthodox christian warrior against the godless woke homonazi druggies
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Somaen posted:All those resources that could've been put into renewables and mitigating climate change are now instead being put into more gas infrastructure and military expansion because an old bunker gnome felt like starting a land war in Europe and kill a lot of people to put his name in the history books as a good orthodox christian warrior against the godless woke homonazi druggies Putin is obviously the biggest problem, but its a mistake to ignore our own EU politicians and their terrible policy decisions. A large part of the blame lies on Germany's concerted effort to deepen economic ties with Russia over the last two decades. If Schröder et al hadn't made Germany so dependent on Russian gas then there wouldn't be such a mad scramble to switch to even more polluting alternatives like coal right now. And Merkel/the German Greens/other Green parties across the EU's efforts to close down nuclear plants is also playing a fairly big role here. If we had more nuclear capacity to fall back on as a continent things wouldn't be half as bad.
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Somaen posted:All those resources that could've been put into renewables and mitigating climate change are now instead being put into more gas infrastructure and military expansion because an old bunker gnome felt like starting a land war in Europe and kill a lot of people to put his name in the history books as a good orthodox christian warrior against the godless woke homonazi druggies Good news: that money wasn't gonna go into renewables or climate change mitigation anyway. Nobody in our political class seems aware of the extent of the work and changes required. Or they know and don't care. Functionally identical alternatives. Our very own brand new fascist premier just committed to 'tech-neutral transition' which means italy is gonna do business as usual and lose precious more years. But even so previous governments just stalled the poo poo out of any effort and recently scrapped our renewables subsidies.
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Blut posted:Putin is obviously the biggest problem, but its a mistake to ignore our own EU politicians and their terrible policy decisions. A large part of the blame lies on Germany's concerted effort to deepen economic ties with Russia over the last two decades. If Schröder et al hadn't made Germany so dependent on Russian gas then there wouldn't be such a mad scramble to switch to even more polluting alternatives like coal right now. But nuclear is always bad and worse for the environment. RADIATION. No I will not read your studies nor will I offer my own. NUCLEAR BAD. DO YOU WANT ANOTHER CHERNOBYL!!?!?
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An insane mind posted:But nuclear is always bad and worse for the environment. RADIATION. No I will not read your studies nor will I offer my own. The direct line of consequence between Germany shutting down nuclear plants "for the environment" to now expand production in coal plants to compensate would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
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Blut posted:Putin is obviously the biggest problem, but its a mistake to ignore our own EU politicians and their terrible policy decisions. A large part of the blame lies on Germany's concerted effort to deepen economic ties with Russia over the last two decades. If Schröder et al hadn't made Germany so dependent on Russian gas then there wouldn't be such a mad scramble to switch to even more polluting alternatives like coal right now. Germany's failures aren't entirely their own. Fukuyamaism, which underlies a lot of the technocratic revolution within the EUs inner workings, insists that at the end of history globalism and freedom of movement (mostly capital, of course) are the lynch-pins around which the democratization of the globe revolves. The obvious corollary to this ideological statement is that Russia can be tied to the international order by means of trade and mutually beneficial economic collaboration, and it would not only be unthinkable to start a "traditional" land war of conquest, in Europe (!), it would be rude and very much against  Obviously a person with hind-sight has but one eye and we know where it is pointed at, but all the same it has been excruciatingly painful to watch our (Finnish) politicians' statements from the '10s around the gas pipe-line investments paraded in our media over the autumn. They vehemently denied that it was anything other than a normal business transaction, and some even went on to say that this was an environmentally beneficial act as well (don't ask me). Back then, anyone who dared suggest that this economical and infrastructure-level bundling of eggs in a Russia-based basket might have security-related issues or geo-political implications was branded a hysterical worry-wart. Of course it also helps that a lot of leading politicians and influence-wielders back then personally benefited a lot in the wallet department by parroting these lines uncritically 
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Rappaport posted:Germany's failures aren't entirely their own. Fukuyamaism, which underlies a lot of the technocratic revolution within the EUs inner workings, insists that at the end of history globalism and freedom of movement (mostly capital, of course) are the lynch-pins around which the democratization of the globe revolves. The obvious corollary to this ideological statement is that Russia can be tied to the international order by means of trade and mutually beneficial economic collaboration, and it would not only be unthinkable to start a "traditional" land war of conquest, in Europe (!), it would be rude and very much against this video owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dGkiJcEK78
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Rappaport posted:Germany's failures aren't entirely their own. Fukuyamaism, which underlies a lot of the technocratic revolution within the EUs inner workings, insists that at the end of history globalism and freedom of movement (mostly capital, of course) are the lynch-pins around which the democratization of the globe revolves. The irony being that Fukuyama recanted that view, no?
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Tagaziel posted:The irony being that Fukuyama recanted that view, no? Credit where credit is due, poor Francis has taken a lot of poo poo and he's realized the error of his ways. Sadly he did influence a lot of poor policy decisions!
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He changed it from "it WILL work" to "it SHOULD work" but otherwise doubled down on the philosophy.
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I was enamored with his philosophy twenty years ago as an acne-ridden teenager, but eventually I realized that it's basically trying to boil down the whole of human experience and history into - basically - an equation and finding the right values would solve our problems forever. I love Asimov, but there's a reason he spent the rest of his life screwing with the idea of psychohistory. As for Europa... As a Pole, I just wake up sometimes and stare in disbelief at how this country manages to function, despite systemic failures on virtually every level, which are only going to be exacerbated now that Brussels realized that appeasement never worked and will never work. It'd be kind of funny, if you didn't run the numbers and realize that the total influx of money as part of the Cohesion Policy over the last 18 years was equivalent to the sum total of all property expenditures by local authorities over the past 15 years. It's insane to think of what will happen now.
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Andrast posted:How much is your electricity bill per month?  It's of course not just Germany's fault, our geniuses subsidized a ton of solar while wind is running at 3x capacity factor, dropped several opportunities to add reactors to existing nuke plants (last one because russia gently caress youuuuuu putin  ). Most of Central and Eastern Europe uses coal and gas in general. Sorry snow-goons, we didn't luck into a lot of hydro and then went all 
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His Divine Shadow posted:So German chancellor Scholz decided to push through with a controversial sale of stakes in a harbor in Hamburg to the Chinese and now he's planning some kinda solo tour to China and he's fighting his own party over it. The european comission also told them not to do it. So it's not just the port  https://www.politico.eu/article/report-germany-government-chip-plant-china-despite-secret-service-warning/ quote:Despite warnings from intelligence agencies, Germany's government is set to approve a Chinese takeover of a German company's microchips production facility.
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It's the russian strategy all over again. This time it'll work!
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Well yeah it's a relatively small company as I said, but if their chips go into some Bosch components, a little fuckery with them could easily bring everything to a halt. We've literally just seen what happens to car manufacturing if something in the supply chain goes missing.
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China has some issues keeping their semiconductor industry going. They can't make the more modern 3nm chips and have to buy them from Taiwan. They can make 7nm chips though. China does not like being dependent on other countries, and the US is leaning hard on Germany and The Netherlands to keep their chip making tech from China, while also stopping americans from working for Chinese chipmakers. How China Could Create a Global Semiconductor Shortage 24 Aug 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWdwkXj8b_4&t=506s How US Sanctions are Crippling China's Semiconductor Industry 19 Oct 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCIPfo9ks8&t=495s
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https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1587090344436531204
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Finnish PM in a recent speech argues for increased european autonomy in light of Russian energy crisis and looks like she's siding with the USA over China. https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10023117 Google translated article: quote:Sanna Marin warns against making the same mistakes with technology as with energy
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