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TescoBag
Dec 2, 2009

Oh god, not again.

Paladinus posted:

Today is the Day of Liberation of Ukraine from Fascist Invaders, and Zelenskyi's address is very heavy on parallels with WW2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N0FaNzhmZo
(English subtitles are available)

I'm going to quote this again, as it's an excellent speech.

I wonder why there are no comments?

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




TescoBag posted:

I'm going to quote this again, as it's an excellent speech.

I wonder why there are no comments?

Under the video? It’s probably set to “show comments approved by the channel”, which would let his PR team read the comments without having to janitor anti-Ukrainian comments that you’d expect there.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Morrow posted:

Putin wants a bipolar world again, simple as that. His objection to a unipolar world isn't intrinsic to it, imperialism is fine when Russia does it. His objection is that Russia isn't able to do its imperialism. He'd be fine with a multipolar world with China and others as long as Russia had freedom of action.

Nevermind that the "West" had generally been content to give Russia its sphere of influence and clients in Central Asia and the Middle East until Putin directly challenged western influence in Ukraine (I'm glossing over domestic factors and Ukrainian agency) and even then the post-2014 western involvement had been confined to very minor support to the newly anti-Russian government. In a way Putin had his multipolar world, it's just the Russian sphere wasn't big enough for Putin.

The problem here is, well China. The only true rival to the USA who has steadily grown to achieve this position now watch a former empire make their last swing before fading into obscurity but can also ruin the whole plan with nukes

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
Ukraine attacked the black sea fleet based in Sevastopol tonight with drones

https://theins.ru/news/256508

Uh oh Crimea, integral part of Russia touched and Putin's Red Line has been crossed again, nukes about to fly, better give up :(

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Somaen posted:

Ukraine attacked the black sea fleet based in Sevastopol tonight with drones

What! How?? I thought that was out of range for Ukraine.

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019

Comstar posted:

What! How?? I thought that was out of range for Ukraine.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that building drones is neither difficult nor expensive...

Budzilla
Oct 14, 2007

We can all learn from our past mistakes.

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1586169902196756480

Wars of the future will be fought with shitposting. Not really DnD post material but the propaganda war has taken on a very sophomoric tone.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1586269146693926912?t=OFJMCCbw1L6S3vf72FnhQQ&s=19

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

https://twitter.com/konrad_muzyka/status/1586273437223424000

Looks like a juicy War on the Rocks podcast coming soon

e: edit for actual today content from Sam Greene: https://tldrussia.substack.com/p/tldrussia-weekend-roundup-706?r=15i4j0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

quote:

What I’m thinking about
I got some flak on Twitter for suggesting that we ought not hang on every word pronounced by the commander-in-chief of the country waging the largest European land war since the end World War II, and who controls a rather large nuclear arsenal — so I think I ought to explain.

My dismissal of Putin’s speech is not a dismissal of his actions. Rather, it’s a recognition that Putin’s speeches are actions in and of themselves, and of a particular — and largely predictable — kind. Putin’s speeches are meant to achieve three things:

Putin’s speeches are meant to recruit. He knows that he cannot win over a sufficient audience — whether domestically or internationally — through any one line of argumentation, and so he uses many. If you are motivated by great-Russian nationalism, he gives you plenty of that. Anti-americanism or post-modern anti-hegemonism? That, too. Don’t like woke? Putin’s your man! Putin doesn’t need you to buy all of what he’s saying. He just wants people to latch on at least to part of it, in order to either keep them onside (if they’re in Russia) or to keep them skeptical about Western responses to the war (if they’re abroad). To win over enough people, the speech almost has to be three and a half hours long.

Putin’s speeches are meant to confuse. It is impossible to determine from that speech exactly what Putin is trying to achieve. Domination of Ukraine? Probably. The end of American hegemony? Possibly. Preventing the expansion of LGBTQ+ rights in Russia? Undoubtedly. I could go on, and that’s the point. If we don’t agree on what Putin is after, we can’t agree on how to respond, and we can’t predict what he might do next. As a result, we end up preparing for every interpretation and eventuality, which means that we’re not really prepared for any of them.

Putin’s speeches are meant to provide room for maneuver. We might think of Putin as a puppet-master, but he has is own uncertainties. He does not know — indeed, cannot know — how his various audiences will respond to what he says and to what he does. Military mobilization was meant to bolster the army, but it fractured public opinion. Bombing Ukrainian cities and cutting off gas to Europe was meant to weaken morale, but it has only galvanized resolve and solidarity. Putin thus needs to experiment with different rhetorical and tactical approaches, leaving himself the flexibility to run with what works and abandon what doesn’t.

Note what’s not on that list: Putin’s speeches are not meant to inform. They are pieces of strategic communication, meant to produce audience responses that amplify Putin’s strengths and minimize his weaknesses. So by all means, listen in — but not too closely.

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Oct 29, 2022

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Comstar posted:

What! How?? I thought that was out of range for Ukraine.

Sea drones.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

What’s the context to the tweet because the one it’s quoting was deleted or something

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Boris Galerkin posted:

What’s the context to the tweet because the one it’s quoting was deleted or something

Someone claiming that the Russians in Kherson are completely out of artillery ammo and the Ukrainians don't have to worry about counter-battery fire.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Boris Galerkin posted:

What’s the context to the tweet because the one it’s quoting was deleted or something

He's responding to this

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005


"Other sources" claim it's just a tire fire.

https://twitter.com/lucianomurgia01/status/1586350464936706048

Also, the British did it.

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1586350383370117120?s=20&t=7IPfprHP3f5JOXC6Qoq9tg

More staff shakeups

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Ukrainians posted the drone footage from the night-morning attack on ships on Sevastopol

https://twitter.com/mil_in_ua/status/1586351438216671232

I wonder if it is that surprise that Come Back Alive foundation promised a week or so ago

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Sevanstopol roundup
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1586275435893211136?t=h5Ls9geBCZW2NzhbcvFBBQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1586303667162025986?t=anCVW8kJnLjUCPMtSpC3wg&s=19
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1586310352907931649?t=gEg45LvKC3EPK1VqaZ3TVg&s=19
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1586328397088980992?t=VCsXxCmu2dzXIIAJ4SjNzw&s=19
https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1586358192178601984?t=8c90bRTueCSLCnrnA3nbjw&s=19
From at Sevanstopol
https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1586254101997916161?t=kOft-1h5SpJtYYp6rzi5Xg&s=19
https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1586328190191968256?t=O2imG5_NdnB_FyTOZJGzcw&s=19

Edit: and another video
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1586269146693926912?t=1foGjc8-IzhEZCbNGMjS-g&s=19

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1586371342290624513?s=20&t=nJmWBkdaUgJi2kMT8baGWA

I'm sure they were just waiting for the first possible excuse

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Can anyone locate the text of the statement of suspension? I'm interested in the pretext they use.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Discendo Vox posted:

Can anyone locate the text of the statement of suspension? I'm interested in the pretext they use.

Account I don't know but links to the Russian meduza article
https://twitter.com/MichalSmetana3/status/1586373035539714049?t=jAT6RJcbCbEEq3IHz5dEgA&s=19
Translated statement:

quote:

According to the Ministry of Defense, the ships that were attacked participated, among other things, in ensuring the security of the “grain corridor”.

“In view of the terrorist act carried out by the Kyiv regime with the participation of British specialists against ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian vessels involved in ensuring the security of the“ grain corridor ”, the Russian side suspends participation in the implementation of agreements on the export of agricultural products from Ukrainian ports,” the Russian military department said. .


TASS article
https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1586369017777905665?t=2YyOtUx8cfen8U0EZ5TMsA&s=19
Translation:

quote:

MOSCOW, 29 October. /TASS/. Russia suspends participation in the grain deal after the terrorist attack in Sevastopol against ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships involved in securing the grain corridor. This was reported on Saturday in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

"Taking into account the terrorist act carried out by the Kyiv regime on October 29 this year with the participation of British specialists against ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian vessels involved in ensuring the security of the grain corridor, the Russian side suspends participation in the implementation of agreements on the export of agricultural products from Ukrainian ports," - the message says.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense reported that the Kyiv regime carried out a terrorist attack on ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships in Sevastopol, using nine drones and seven autonomous maritime drones. All of them were destroyed.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

They were basically slow-walking it anyway.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Thanks, that's helpful- my read is the pretext is intended for a domestic audience, then, and not much effort was put into prepping it, so terminating the agreement was the main goal (which makes sense).

WarpedLichen
Aug 14, 2008


HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Also, the British did it.

Wouldn't be surprised at this point, not sure why Russia has the British are being picked as the shadowy masterminds behind all this, but it is a refreshing throw back from the usual suspects.

Edit: I wasn't sure if that was tongue in cheek but I guess the Brits really did get their names thrown in:

quote:

Taking into account the terrorist act carried out by the Kyiv regime on October 29 this year with the participation of British specialists against ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian vessels involved in ensuring the security of the grain corridor, the Russian side suspends participation in the implementation of agreements on the export of agricultural products from Ukrainian ports.

Those darn British specialists.

WarpedLichen fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 29, 2022

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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I’m sure this will work out well for them now that a large portion of the Black Seas Fleet has been neutralized.

I will never cease to be amazed at the way Russia acts shocked and upset that the country they have invaded and are currently commuting overt acts of war on the civilian population in has the audacity to shoot back at them and target the Russian military.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

ZombieLenin posted:

I’m sure this will work out well for them now that a large portion of the Black Seas Fleet has been neutralized.

I will never cease to be amazed at the way Russia acts shocked and upset that the country they have invaded and are currently commuting overt acts of war on the civilian population in has the audacity to shoot back at them and target the Russian military.

They called the strike on Sevanstopol a terrorist attack
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1586355243284975618?t=UtItZuBnorV_EIJvdyO5mQ&s=19
So the delusion continues

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

KitConstantine posted:

They called the strike on Sevanstopol a terrorist attack
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1586355243284975618?t=UtItZuBnorV_EIJvdyO5mQ&s=19
So the delusion continues

Anders Puck Nielsen talks about how russia is reframing from "Nazis" which are abstract and over there, to "terrorists" (and satanists but that's another matter), because everyone knows what terrorism is so it's easier to set the narrative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTLTzNHl1C0

WarpedLichen
Aug 14, 2008


KitConstantine posted:

They called the strike on Sevanstopol a terrorist attack
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1586355243284975618?t=UtItZuBnorV_EIJvdyO5mQ&s=19
So the delusion continues

They know exactly what they're doing by using and diluting the term. Now its both sides calling each other terrorists, bypassing the fact that the Russians bomb cities and civilian infrastructure while the Ukrainians are attacking military docks.

But you see, war is hell, and both sides do terrible things.

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1586368004606070784?s=20&t=FGgAGqhYkbCo2I3mAIIWkA

Evidence that the Admiral Makarov, the current flagship of the Black Sea fleet was hit. (there were a lot of rumors so far, but nothing concrete)

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1586337055201787906?s=20&t=FGgAGqhYkbCo2I3mAIIWkA

Also, someone is *done* with Russia's bullshit.

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019
Another prisoner exchange.
18 Ukrainian Navy
- 12 National Guard, including 1 from Regiment Azov
- 9 Territorial Defense
- 8 Border Guards
- 3 Armed Forces
- 2 Civilians

So at least some from the early stages of the war.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1586344984067723265?t=xMk8LGV07VCUBJw8QHW6vg&s=19

:classiclol:

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Owling Howl posted:

Another prisoner exchange.
18 Ukrainian Navy
- 12 National Guard, including 1 from Regiment Azov
- 9 Territorial Defense
- 8 Border Guards
- 3 Armed Forces
- 2 Civilians

So at least some from the early stages of the war.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1586344984067723265?t=xMk8LGV07VCUBJw8QHW6vg&s=19

:classiclol:

Had a good laugh at them dumping the russian MREs over the fence asap. :)

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013





There are a bunch of unconfirmed news pieces that he was found dead in Moskva river.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Sekenr posted:

There are a bunch of unconfirmed news pieces that he was found dead in Moskva river.

They all come from a parody news source.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

How are Ukrainian drones attacking these ships. Are those naval drones basically suicide drones like those Japanese midget submarines?

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

Kraftwerk posted:

How are Ukrainian drones attacking these ships. Are those naval drones basically suicide drones like those Japanese midget submarines?

No because those contained an actual human. These are remote controlled drone ships.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Kraftwerk posted:

How are Ukrainian drones attacking these ships. Are those naval drones basically suicide drones like those Japanese midget submarines?

The term "suicide drone" makes as much sense as calling cruise missiles "suicide rockets". It's such a strange term for a munition that hits a target and detonates as intended.

In this case it's basically a very long range torpedo with advanced navigation. Sure, they travel on the surface of the water, but I bet they're trying to develop subsurface ones.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Kraftwerk posted:

How are Ukrainian drones attacking these ships. Are those naval drones basically suicide drones like those Japanese midget submarines?

Yeah. I speculate that we’re seeing the announced unidentified water-based drones US supplied months ago, that no one here was able to ascribe a clear representative model to.

(Grabbing random tweet with the right photo)

https://twitter.com/seb_bw/status/1586432868699381760

Edit: I’ll clarify that I didn’t suggest them being manned.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 29, 2022

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
Those things look really unpleasant to drive. Like the 10 second clip of that thing pitching made me remember every time I've ever been seasick. Wonder if there is some way to do image stabilization/gimballing, and if that would improve targeting, or if you just get used to it.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Kraftwerk posted:

How are Ukrainian drones attacking these ships. Are those naval drones basically suicide drones like those Japanese midget submarines?

This is such a confusing question because the actual Japanese midget submarines were two man operated electric submarines launched from bigger submarines that fired two torpedoes at their targets. They were not actual suicide weapons, although the crew was very unlikely to return to home.

Late in the war they modified torpedoes to have room for a human controller. These torpedoes were real suicide weapons.

Drones are unmanned, therefore they have no similarity to either and it's misleading to talk about 'suicide' drones unless the drone operator shoots himself with a pistol after the attack.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
The 'suicide' is obviously in comparison to drones that don't blow themselves up. But yeah at that point there's not a huge distinction between 'suicide drone' and 'slow missile'.

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Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
Did anyone confirm the video posted earlier?

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