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Kchama posted:Even on the topic of linguistics his primary contributions are being as wrong as loving possible, running more correct people out of the field, and then stealing their ideas and proclaiming them his own. What, did they all tear their rotator cuffs?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:What, did they all tear their rotator cuffs? Some non-evil Hutu died trying to protect the Tutsi, so Chomsky and his buddy reframed it as the Tutsi genocided the Hutu who died basically.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:So, I've followed this a bit and I've noticed a difference in the U.S. between the more mature "movement" left (in terms of organized activist groups, peace groups, etc.) and random people on Twitter. These are two different things and the movement left -- and Noam Chomsky is kind of a barometer for this -- has been calling for peace and a negotiated settlement and an end to escalation which includes a halt to U.S. weapons transfers. Now, the reality is that one side is going to win and the other side is going to lose unless there's some kinda bargain, so you could interpret that as effectively "pro-Russian," but I don't think that's how they see it, and they do tend to call the Russian invasion unjustified and a breach of the U.N. Charter. I think the DSA is kinda like this, or at least a current within it. Also, the fact is, there is no real "movement" here that has the force to press those demands anyways, and the only groups that actually go outside and hold signs to this end is most likely going to be a half-dozen elderly peace activists in Milwaukee. This is the terrifying tankie force that's mobilizing to end the war: This is a lot of words to say you have no clue what's at stake for Ukraine here and that genocide is apparently OK if it happens to a country that NATO countries like. George Orwell wrote a lot about people like you. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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Kchama posted:Some non-evil Hutu died trying to protect the Tutsi, so Chomsky and his buddy reframed it as the Tutsi genocided the Hutu who died basically. in all seriousness, Herman cites a single 'primary' source for his assertion that actually it was the other way around. The source being one guy, on trial for his part in the Rwandan genocide, who tried a defense of 'actually it was the Hutu's who did the real genocide' and Herman constructs an entire elaborate opposite world off of that. Herman was Chomsky's long-time friend, fellow traveler, and co-author of Manufacturing Consent and Chomsky wrote the glowing forward for Herman's book The Politics of Genocide, which is where the infamous reverse theory of the Rwandan genocide came from. by the way this isn't ancient history, like, say, Chomsky's defense of the Khmer Rouge---Politics of Genocide was published in 2010. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Also personally speaking, I've found myself basically becoming one of these people. This is my comfort zone. It's not like it'll matter, but whatever you think about it, I think just the presence of people who are like "war bad" is necessary. Because war is indeed bad. War bad, but the onus is on the aggressor. Attributed to Ève Curie : "We discovered that peace at any price is no peace at all... that life at any price has no value whatever; that life is nothing without the privileges, the prides, the rights, the joys that make it worth living and also worth giving...and that there is something more hideous, more atrocious than war or than death; and that is to live in fear."
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:What, did they all tear their rotator cuffs? 
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Chomsky was great at pointing out how poo poo US foreign policy has been, from Vietnam on, but starting with Cambodia he started excusing/handwaving/whatever bad things done by people opposing the US. A lot of us who were fans* in the 1980s and 90s (me for example) would sort of excuse his and Herman's Cambodia genocide on the basis of "well other than that *one* thing he's great" but his continued descent into "only America bad" finally pushed me into "please stop". It's like when my life-long leftist labor-organizer uncle started getting bad Alzheimer's and once matter-of-fact busted out how the Jews ran the banks to me, in spite of having close Jewish friends his whole adult life. Just sad. * I read almost everything he wrote, I exchanged emails, met him a couple times after talks.
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Rust Martialis posted:Chomsky was great at pointing out how poo poo US foreign policy has been, from Vietnam on, but starting with Cambodia he started excusing/handwaving/whatever bad things done by people opposing the US. That also summarizes why I bounced off the Blowback podcast.
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The far left and the far right have a lot in common in their beliefs and desires. (The US "far left" is still to the right hand side of moderate in the global Overton window, but actual far leftists are just as loving nutty as ultranationalist far right assholes, both eventually loop around to wanting fascism/authoritarianism because it would all be better if they were the ones in power, always) orange juche fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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I'm glad that the people who post in this thread can keep two independent thoughts in their head. I despise the US MIC, I'm deeply ashamed of our naked and self serving influence in the Middle East and Latin America, I loathe our governmental system that disenfranchises laborers and PoC in favor of wealthy white landowners, that we spend billions on the military while we allow our fellow citizens to suffer and die from preventable illness. However, we allow Taiwan, Japan and now Ukraine (and other nations) to remain sovereign Democratic nations, who's people have a voice. We serve as a hedge against other territorial powers, who's governments are even more authoritarian and repressive than our own. And we can't discard that just because it doesn't come from a place of altruism. Maybe it's because I have family who lived through the USSRs post-war rape of Poland's economy, maybe because I've spent most of my adult life aiding in the deterrence of the Russian military, but anyone that supports their ultra-right shithole government, who claims to be a loving "leftist" can go absolutely gently caress themselves. The power belongs in the hands of the people, and that's what we're supporting in Ukraine, and that fact does. Not. loving. Change. Just because we've done the opposite a really sickening number of times. Ukraine's choice is fight or die, you don't loving surrender to or trust Russia, ask the ghosts of the 20,000 Poles buried in Katyn, or the ones who died fighting the Nazis in Warsaw while the mighty Red Army watched. E: the problem is not "left" or "right" beliefs (although the ones of those on the right are particularly disgusting) it's the concentration of power in the hands of the type of people who would seek to rule others, that goes for communist, fascist, and liberal capitalist countries alike. Elviscat fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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Grip it and rip it posted:Chomsky is a loving idiot - I don't get why people constantly bring him up. If it's not linguistics related IDGAF what his myopic opinion is. He's about as relevant on these topic as any other dipshit celebrity No disagreement. Ironically(?), Chomsky is huge in the math side of Computer Science. https://exaud.com/noam-chomsky-computer-science/ quote:Put very simply, Noam Chomsky categorized grammars in 4 different types and organized those in terms of complexity, from the most wide-ranging to the smallest group with the simplest grammars: Recursively Enumerable, Context-Sensitive, Context-Free and Regular grammars. We know this last one is the smallest because each type is contained in the one before it. All Regular grammars are Context-Free, Context-Free are Context-Sensitive and so on.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I don't understand the part of being "generally anti-war" that has people doing things like protesting "NATO aggression" while being far less passionate about Russia not engaging in genocidal, fascist invasions (and allowing nations to non-violently deter said invasions). I do not think the main ideology at play for folks like Chomsky is "war bad." The Basically, there's a line of reasoning that says, American Imperialism is THE WORST, and the biggest obstacle to a progressive future for humanity. Therefore, it follows that any force that opposes American Imperialism needs unconditional support as a matter of moral principle, because they're on the side of progressivism whether they know it or not. Any criticism of such forces hampers their ability to oppose American Imperialism, and is therefore wrong. That's the intellectual place where some of the most obnoxious leftist "independent journalists" come from. I don’t know how widespread adherents to this idea actually are, but not coincidentally, they get signal boosted a lot.
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Starting to sound like something happened in Sevastopol overnight. KitConstantine posted:Sevanstopol roundup (Cribbed from the D&D thread)
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GD_American posted:ooooooo here's to hoping they got them a sub I know man; me too.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I know man; me too. As long as we dont have a breached reactor core sitting in a port
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Russia's response is the bullshit lies you would expect. Since Ukraine carried out "terrorist" attacks on invading military targets in their own country well golly gee Russia is just being forced to suspend cooperation in the grain corridor agreement.
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Flikken posted:As long as we dont have a breached reactor core sitting in a port I seem to recall they’re all diesel subs.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I seem to recall they’re all diesel subs. Ok cool, sink them
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Flikken posted:Ok cool, sink them Yep, on one hand a Ukrainian sinking of a RF SSN would be super lol, this would still be right up there, and less issues. I do seem to recall in a post in the CW thread, that nukes getting sunk was never a huge concern due to sea depth and size, but I could be misremembering it.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Yep, on one hand a Ukrainian sinking of a RF SSN would be super lol, this would still be right up there, and less issues. Not much depth in port
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I seem to recall they’re all diesel subs. Even then the reactors sitting in water should make them a non issue, I doubt those little suicide drones could breach a core even if it sank the reactor
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As pointed out, only diesel boats in the Black Sea, but. Russian nuke submarines have massively thick hulls because they dive very deep. I doubt one of those little suicide boats could breach one, and if it could it almost certainly couldn't breach the reactor's containment vessel. And if it could, the sea makes an excellent passive cooling system, you might want to tow the hulk out of port a bit though.
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While on the one hand I'm stoked for Ukraine, on the other I'm unhappy that they've passed my kill count on Russian vessels
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Avoiding any specifics for obvious reasons, wouldn't it be pretty difficult to crack any given floating fission reactor? Put aside getting through the rest of the boat or ship, each one had to be a huge, extremely rugged pressure vessel, right? I admit I'm mostly asking for reassurance that Russian subs aren't running off industrial pressure cookers full of spicy rocks after someone sold off the real pressure casks.
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grassy gnoll posted:Avoiding any specifics for obvious reasons, wouldn't it be pretty difficult to crack any given floating fission reactor? Put aside getting through the rest of the boat or ship, each one had to be a huge, extremely rugged pressure vessel, right? The reactor vessel itself? Sure. The fractal spaghetti of plumbing coming out of it? A different story. Underwater shock is scary poo poo.
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Apparently even diesel subs have pretty robust hulls? https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3128646/the-ara-san-juan-crew-died-in-30-milliseconds-due-to-hydrogen-explosion
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Water is also an excellent radiation shield. Even if you had an open reactor core if it's sitting under like ten meters of water it wouldn't be an issue. Maybe don't go diving right on top of it.
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Grand Fromage posted:Water is also an excellent radiation shield. Even if you had an open reactor core if it's sitting under like ten meters of water it wouldn't be an issue. Maybe don't go diving right on top of it. You're not my supervisor!
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Xakura posted:This guy right here Huh. I didn't know you could improve on the torpedo.
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How big would a torpedo have to be that can drive from Odessa to Sewastopol? Sort of like a long range cruise missile, program in some waypoints and send it on its way.
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aphid_licker posted:How big would a torpedo have to be that can drive from Odessa to Sewastopol? Sort of like a long range cruise missile, program in some waypoints and send it on its way. How fast do you want it to be? Internal combustion or battery powered? There are a lot of variables, and Sevastopol and Odessa are roughly 300 km apart.
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A.o.D. posted:How fast do you want it to be? Internal combustion or battery powered? There are a lot of variables, and Sevastopol and Odessa are roughly 300 km apart. Yeah no idea. I assume the fact that these don't exist means that they're not trivial to make in a useful (regarding speed, cost, stealthiness so they can actually hit something) fashion. But a sort of drone redo of the WW2 manned torpedo / sabotage boat that can be released from decent distance by a mothership and then attacks moored ships is a fun idea.
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Don't exist...? good thread of everything that's been tracked down so far about the sevastopol attack https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1586460379697348608 Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Oct 29, 2022 |
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Elviscat posted:... Happy to be corrected, but I don't think they need to breach the pressure hull to sink the submarine: Stop the ballast tanks from retaining air and I think that ought to do it.
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IPCRESS posted:Happy to be corrected, but I don't think they need to breach the pressure hull to sink the submarine: Stop the ballast tanks from retaining air and I think that ought to do it. If they’re taking after the nazis, they can sink one by loving up flushing the head 
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Quackles posted:Huh. I didn't know you could improve on the torpedo. Gonna be some....interesting times....ahead for navies. Compare the theoretical cost of, like, 500 of these things to the cost of one carrier battle group. The numbers don't look good to my land-based rear end.
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bird food bathtub posted:Gonna be some....interesting times....ahead for navies. Compare the theoretical cost of, like, 500 of these things to the cost of one carrier battle group. The numbers don't look good to my land-based rear end. CAPTOR mines have existed for a while, and the Navy's already considered suicide drones, considering their adding Bushmaster cannon to a fair number of ships. CAPTORs are geared for submarines, though. You'd need to figure out a way to scale them up to Mk48s to do any substantive damage, and it's not like torpedo nets still aren't a thing. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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