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ah, stux is a traditionalist. makes a lot of sense tbh
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Oct 29, 2022 16:45
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Jump scares are easy, psychological dread is hard
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Oct 29, 2022 16:46
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Stux posted:see also why lots of horror has devolved into jump scares instead of long periods of unresolved tension that's far more because building up tension and letting it linger takes actual artful skill and preparation, whereas a thing popping out from behind a corner to a musical sting requires a CGI artist and a violin and is more conducive to mass market media production
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Oct 29, 2022 16:47
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Horror movies peaked with Re-Animator so there's no point trying hard when you will never reach those peaks.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:49
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Someone randomly told me the exact ending of Returnal in response to me saying "is Returnal going to have a dumb ending" and it made me not really care to play it because not knowing what was going on was actually pretty cool and knowing exactly where it's leading takes all the interest out of the story. Not that I was playing it for the story, but the gameplay wasn't my favourite either, and at least the mystery was keeping me coming back. I don't usually care that much about spoilers but man, it really did ruin the game for me.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:51
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Relax Or DIE posted:ah, stux is a traditionalist. makes a lot of sense tbh Stux believes emotion can only truly be conveyed through cave paintings
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Oct 29, 2022 16:51
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I didquote:the obsessive need to know what is going to happen in advance so as to not feel real tension or unease is a modern sickness brought about by being terminally online. quote:however your internet infected brain can attempt to justify a behavioral type which is very new and runs counter to human history You're wrong. People have been caring about things like spoilers and caring about the end result more than the journey there way before the internet and it's silly for you to try and pin it as strictly a new internet thing.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:52
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the idea that the internet is causing some kind of obsessive need to know the outcome of media ahead of time is pretty funny when the conventional cornerstone of classical greek theater that everyone expected was for the gods to get wheeled down on a crane to resolve every issue at the end
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Oct 29, 2022 16:54
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FirstAidKite posted:I did not what i said
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Oct 29, 2022 16:55
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It's fine to want to be surprised by a media but treating promo material released by the creator as spoilers is a bit silly. If you don't trust them to not to hurt the work in the process of announcing it and convincing you to check it out, why do you trust that they did a good job on the parts they aren't telling you about
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Oct 29, 2022 16:56
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Stux posted:not what i said Then why did you say it
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Oct 29, 2022 16:56
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People have always had the urge the internet is just the latest way to facilitate and profit from said urge.
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Rarity posted:Stux believes emotion can only truly be conveyed through cave paintings rarity please do not tell me which caves have paintings!!
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Oct 29, 2022 16:57
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i didnt say what you typed. you did. i said what you quoted, which is not the same as what you said. in fact what i said is clearly in direct opposition to what you typed.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:People have always had the urge the internet is just the latest way to facilitate and profit from said urge. i would argue that the urge to avoid spoilers is far more profitable, given that every marvel movie has ended with some big setup twist post-credits that implicitly encourages ticket-buying FOMO when a cone of socially imposed silence is plopped down over it
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Oct 29, 2022 16:57
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Stux posted:i didnt say what you typed. you did. i said what you quoted, which is not the same as what you said. in fact what i said is clearly in direct opposition to what you typed. I understand how there's a miscommunication here. Let me clarify. Are you saying it is a new thing, a result of the internet, that people care so much about knowing the spoilers for a story that they need to know everything they can before watching/reading/playing the thing they want spoilers of
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Oct 29, 2022 17:02
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the internet caused it to be much easier to become spoiled, which then resulted in counter-spoiler culture becoming much more prominent
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Oct 29, 2022 17:11
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no. im saying its become more widespread and normalised.
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and its not about caring about the end more than the journey. its wanting to not know where the journey is headed. the end is often irrelevant outside of very specific stories. its this: luffy doesnt even care if the treasure really exists, he cares about the journey. and thats why hes absolutely right, and based.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:15
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I read the more recent part of the argument first, which was kind of like reading spoilers for it, but I was still surprised when I went back to last page and stux hadn't said anything at all about spoilers only just mattering to people. that was a kind of surprise too
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Oct 29, 2022 17:18
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Ok I agree that the internet has made it easier to find these people but I disagree that the internet normalised their behavior because this type of behavior has existed catered to by various forms of media going back millennia.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:19
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haveblue posted:It's fine to want to be surprised by a media but treating promo material released by the creator as spoilers is a bit silly. If you don't trust them to not to hurt the work in the process of announcing it and convincing you to check it out, why do you trust that they did a good job on the parts they aren't telling you about The creator of the work isn't necessarily the one doing the promotional material. Yes, depends on how you define creator and all that, of course.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:22
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haveblue posted:It's fine to want to be surprised by a media but treating promo material released by the creator as spoilers is a bit silly.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:22
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Well, THAT trailer just happened.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:24
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Stux posted:and its not about caring about the end more than the journey. its wanting to not know where the journey is headed. the end is often irrelevant outside of very specific stories. its this: grieving for Gandalf posted:I read the more recent part of the argument first, which was kind of like reading spoilers for it, but I was still surprised when I went back to last page and stux hadn't said anything at all about spoilers only just mattering to people. that was a kind of surprise too The confusion is entirely my fault, my apologies. I see where the confusion came from. I described people who try to know all of the spoilers for something as people who care about spoilers, but that's not a good description because it can also be applied to people who vehemently avoid spoilers at all costs, and what's more both kinds of people can be described as caring more about the end result than the journey so it's an entirely muddled point from my own inability to properly convey what I'm trying to say. I am sorry.
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I will say that modern day trailers for things tend to show more of the plot or story beats than I would like. I don't know how many times I've seen promotional material for even a movie I don't care to watch and said after, "well, that felt like I know everything that happens now"
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Oct 29, 2022 17:25
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haveblue posted:It's fine to want to be surprised by a media but treating promo material released by the creator as spoilers is a bit silly. If you don't trust them to not to hurt the work in the process of announcing it and convincing you to check it out, why do you trust that they did a good job on the parts they aren't telling you about yea i absoltuely trust the marketing and advertising freaks who didnt make anything and are working off of pure economics to drive their decsisions. 1000% FirstAidKite posted:Ok thats normalisation
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Oct 29, 2022 17:27
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I enjoy movie trailers from the 70s where they literally show you the entire plot of the movie
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Oct 29, 2022 17:28
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Stux posted:thats normalisation I just think it happened long ago, not recently
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Oct 29, 2022 17:29
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I for one don’t know why people go see Rome and Juliet productions at this point
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Oct 29, 2022 17:32
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it literally was not possible for you to look up an entire plot synopsis for every piece of media that has ever existed, until the internet. some people deciding to read the last page of a book first is not a normalised behavior.
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Oct 29, 2022 17:32
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Jay Rust posted:I for one don’t know why people go see Rome and Juliet productions at this point no real point when the 1996 film is available
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Oct 29, 2022 17:33
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Jay Rust posted:I for one don’t know why people go see Rome and Juliet productions at this point yup. this. tbh only the first time i watch/read/whatever something matters. once ive experieneced it once its spoiled so ill never do it again. nail... meet head 
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Oct 29, 2022 17:34
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Then I have no idea what stux is talking about, who are these people reading plot synopses before watching a thing
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And if they are, who cares
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Oct 29, 2022 17:39
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i'll look up a plot of a film sometimes, mostly to see if any interesting or cool stuff happens in it. i'm not all that concerned about whether it 'ruins' media for me because i still enjoy the media. what on account of the execution being the important thing like, being alive today means that you already know Laurie survives the first Halloween because Jamie Lee Curtis' name and face have been in several Halloween movies/posters since. but knowing that doesn't ruin the experience of watching the first Halloween film, because all of the fun of the movie is in how it is shot and directed, with its lingering scenes, clever cinematography, and so many moments of incredible tension also the scene where mike myers comes into a room dressed as a ghost and stands there silently. simultaneously hilarious and terrifying The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 29, 2022 |
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Relax Or DIE posted:no real point when the 1996 film is available I have no real memory of this film beyond the opening scene which we watched in English class. I saw that someone tried to make a hip Rosencrantz and Guildenstern-style film from the perspective of Rosaline but all the dialogue sounded cringe to me
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Relax Or DIE posted:no real point when the 1996 film is available GIVE ME MY LONG SWORD 
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i wish i had a spoiler for this argument so i could have skipped it
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