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I think it’s entirely easy to do anyway Ben Grimm. Abomination and She Hulk change at will. Abomination chose it. Bruce is closer to Bens situation but there’s always been a certain connection between them. But it’s still different. Bruce changes back and forth and lives in fear of what the Hulk will do. Or didn’t. Ben doesn’t have that. He is the Thing. It’s just him all the time and he’s as in control as anyone. But he’s still a “monster” who loses much of his capacity for human interaction and intimacy. It’s still depressing as hell and he just has to live with it. It’s basically a mental health story about a serious trauma victim or something That’s how I’d play it. And of course focus that resentment on Reed for causing it and Johnny for getting the good end of it.
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We already had a movie that explores the tragedy of “it’s clobbering time”.
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They should go the Groot route but instead of I am Groot the only phrase the Thing can say is YANCY STREET
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I don't want to see a mopey Thing because that's boring, but so are the FF so maybe that's just want the true fans want
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Oct 29, 2022 14:08
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Make the thing constantly say things he thinks sound cool but actually are embarrassing like "This is how I get my rocks off!"
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Oct 29, 2022 15:00
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I don't want a mopey Thing either, but a Thing who knows he has to stay active and outgoing because the other choice is to be insecure and outcast, that could be a compelling Thing.
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Oct 29, 2022 15:04
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Really subvert expectations and do a Planetary movie with the Four instead of the FF
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Make the thing constantly say things he thinks sound cool but actually are embarrassing like "This is how I get my rocks off!" Wait Is that not cool to say?
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I haven't seen it in forever, but am I crazy in remembering that the 2005 FF movie actually had a pretty solid Ben? Lots of comedy but lots of pathos too. He's probably done the best of the four in those movies, I guess followed by Johnny and then Reed. I'm less invested in the Sue casting than the Reed casting for the new one but Sue's definitely the character that needs the biggest glow-up for the MCU. She's always a badass and a powerhouse in the comics and it never feels like a pandering girlboss thing either. She just rules.
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Ror posted:I haven't seen it in forever, but am I crazy in remembering that the 2005 FF movie actually had a pretty solid Ben? Lots of comedy but lots of pathos too. Michael Chiklis was a spot-on Ben. He was a fan of the comics beforehand which is not required but often welcome and also was the one who insisted they use an actual suit instead of CGI. It's just a shame he was in those two movies. Heck, you could use him now in the upcoming movie and I'm sure it would be fine.
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StumblyWumbly posted:I don't want a mopey Thing either, but a Thing who knows he has to stay active and outgoing because the other choice is to be insecure and outcast, that could be a compelling Thing.
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I mean, he can have a story involving being uncomfortable with the body he's in. It doesn't all have to be NY street toughs and dames quivering in the face of Ol Rocky. Depending on how Waka da Forever/Namor/Atlantans go, could be public backlash against heteromorphic folks.
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But he's not who he was. The original design was much more like someone who was badly scarred.
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Soul Glo posted:What is this rule that actors can't play two different characters in a massive universe Chris Evans has said he's down to be Johnny Storm again and I say let him.
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Soul Glo posted:I don't want to see a mopey Thing because that's boring, but so are the FF so maybe that's just want the true fans want Good thing Feige only cares about what true fans want so he can use it to troll them.
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CapnAndy posted:Why would he be outcast, though? I just can't see it. He's not one of the first superheroes here; he's coming into a world that already knows and loves two Hulks, where the Abomination has fans, where minotaurs and elves walk around, space aliens frequently come to visit, and a giant tree helped save everyone's life. A dude made of rocks is not at all shocking in this context. He wouldn't even be the first dude made of rocks.
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It’s 2022, can we NOT have a skin condition as a “super power” please?! #cancelTheThing #bodypositivity
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Rhyno posted:They should go the Groot route but instead of I am Groot the only phrase the Thing can say is YANCY STREET this is a really good idea and more people should be on board with it
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Lobok posted:Wait 
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Imagine paying attention to what Clint thinks.
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Ben's a native born New Yorker, right? Comes from a Jewish background? Where'd all the southern phrases come from? "Ever Lovin, Blue Eyed" is a super southern phrase in my mind, and it doesn't feel like something you'd hear growing up on the bad side of Yancey Street.
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The thing with the Thing isn’t about him being ostracized or hated or feared. As a member of the FF he’s one of the most celebrated heroes. It’s about what’s he’s lost and what he feels. That he feels screwed and inhuman. That he can’t gentle pet an animal or hold someone without consciousness of what’s “wrong” about him and some fear. It’s not about society accepting hulks. It’s about Ben struggling to find peace with what he’s become.
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STAC Goat posted:It’s about Ben struggling to find peace with what he’s become.  Plus the whole "Everyone else gets fantastic abilities they can turn on and off at a whim!" thing.
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CzarChasm posted:Ben's a native born New Yorker, right? Comes from a Jewish background? Everloving/everliving is a euphemism for motherf***ing ("beat the everliving snot out of him" with snot as a bonus euphemism there) and not limited to the south. First traced back to 1920 I believe, common usage in the 60s. Is euphemism the right word? Definitely intended as a replacement initially but it's got its own life now. I'm not sure if there's a different linguist word for that.
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I mean then we just get the Impossibles from Venture Bros.
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It should be noted, and I don't think anyone disagrees, that what you do or don't do with the Fantastic Four as characters heavily depends on how you're putting them into the world. Fresh, everything just happened? Established/developed characters but it's been off-screen? Reclusive/hiding and come out now? If you have the F4 happen right now but want them to hit the ground already having adjusted to their new lives, for example, that affects the presentation. "Always been cool with it" Ben Grimm is different to "is now cool with it" Ben Grimm.
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skip everything imo. the kids are there, ben is already married to alicia, johnny...is still johnny i guess
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CapnAndy posted:Why would he be outcast, though? I just can't see it. He's not one of the first superheroes here; he's coming into a world that already knows and loves two Hulks, where the Abomination has fans, where minotaurs and elves walk around, space aliens frequently come to visit, and a giant tree helped save everyone's life. A dude made of rocks is not at all shocking in this context. are you really asking why someone might be treated poorly by the world in general despite the fact that their existence isn't actually that out of the ordinary?
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Bruceski posted:It should be noted, and I don't think anyone disagrees, that what you do or don't do with the Fantastic Four as characters heavily depends on how you're putting them into the world. Fresh, everything just happened? Established/developed characters but it's been off-screen? Reclusive/hiding and come out now? Harper plays the leader of the rebels group inside the QR that fight against Kang named Reed Richards.
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STAC Goat posted:The thing with the Thing isn’t about him being ostracized or hated or feared. As a member of the FF he’s one of the most celebrated heroes. It’s about what’s he’s lost and what he feels. That he feels screwed and inhuman. That he can’t gentle pet an animal or hold someone without consciousness of what’s “wrong” about him and some fear. It’s not about society accepting hulks. It’s about Ben struggling to find peace with what he’s become. This was more what I meant when I said Ben should be an outcast. More that he is in danger of feeling separate from the rest of world if he doesn't actively go out and try to be a part of it.
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live with fruit posted:Harper plays the leader of the rebels group inside the QR that fight against Kang named Reed Richards. Maybe Harper is playing a resistance leader who is also one of Kang's descendants...
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Yeah with Ben, I feel his appearance has always been more a him problem than a rest of the world probably. He was just self conscious for a long time, and felt his friends were more fortunate than him in their power gains.
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Make Ben never become the Thing in the first movie and make everyone fall in love with him. Then tease some poo poo on his skin as the post credits.
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Have Ben Grimm played by a Jewish actor, like Lenny Kravitz
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Man, the Fantastic Four movie is just going to have a solid half hour of the one MCU joke about names isn't it?
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There was a four panel that used to get posted a lot here where Ben sadly says "I guess I'm the Thing now..." And then Richards shouts something like "And I'm Captain God drat loving Amazing!"
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John Wick of Dogs posted:There was a four panel that used to get posted a lot here where Ben sadly says "I guess I'm the Thing now..." And then Richards shouts something like "And I'm Captain God drat loving Amazing!" Also this classic
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Have Ben Grimm played by a Jewish actor, like Lenny Kravitz Given the MCU's track record, it'll be Pedro Pascal.
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Bruceski posted:
It’s usually called bowdlerization, after the name of a prudish editor who famously published an edition of Shakespeare with all the vulgarity removed.
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