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Fitzy Fitz posted:The "anti-consumption" subreddit is hilariously pro-car, jfc Reddit is a psyop or at the very least incredibly susceptible to astroturfing and any threatening narrative is immediately co-opted and dismantled, eg r/antiwork or r/coronavirus
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It's also just full of average people who think saving the planet means using paper drinking straws. r/fuckcars still hasn't compromised its values at least that I've seen
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Oct 29, 2022 17:39
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Genuinely surprise there isn't an r/ifuckcars.
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I'm more into object insertion, specifically potatoes in exhausts.
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Oct 29, 2022 18:40
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I got rear ended today so i'm hating cars more than usual. Basically on house arrest now until our shared insurer gets me a car. It was the most ideal situation where the guy didnt speed off, physically incapable of doing, and we could limp our cars over to the two police in view chilling in the parking lot.
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Jabronie posted:I got rear ended today so i'm hating cars more than usual. Basically on house arrest now until our shared insurer gets me a car. It was the most ideal situation where the guy didnt speed off, physically incapable of doing, and we could limp our cars over to the two police in view chilling in the parking lot. Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:A drunk driver creamed my car and crashed into a utility pole further up the street just now. $12,023 in damage I really don't think our current auto-based societal structure is sustainable
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I really don't think our current auto-based societal structure is sustainable hey, it's sustainable for car manufacturers, and insurance companies, and oil companies, and coming soon lithium companies i guess, and development companies that clear-cut forests an hour outside of the nearest city to build one dozen of the ugliest mcmansions you can imagine, and if those guys are wrong i don't wanna be right
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Oct 30, 2022 03:21
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:hey, it's sustainable for insurance companies, Insurance companies depend on risk pools. 1960s muscle cars disappeared within four or five years of their introduction because insurers couldn't afford to keep insuring them either the federal government will assume this poo poo, or it'll end. If you fart on a car it results in expenses equal to four months' pay for the median American worker. I can't see how that keeps being sustainable without nationalization or subsidization.
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[quote="Fitzy Fitz" post="527338040" It's also just full of average people who think saving the planet means using paper drinking straws. r/fuckcars still hasn't compromised its values at least that I've seen [/quote] say something mean about electric cars, no matter how heavily qualified, and get dogpiled by people on that sub talking about how awesome they are. Not "yes they suck, but are an improvement on ICE cars", but rather, "anything negative about EVs is a lie, here's a link to a study commissioned by Tesla to prove that". Not saying those people are a majority on that sub, but there's enough of them that it is very annoying.
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electric cars are obviously an improvement in many ways over ICE cars but they have the same space/geometry problems, inherently, due to being cars, and are therefore bad. also of course tire/road friction creates a lot of very bad pollution, which electric cars due to being heavier are worse about.
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Oct 30, 2022 03:51
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4000kg E-utes that do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds are going to be a joy to behold in cities everywhere very soon
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lobster shirt posted:electric cars are obviously an improvement in many ways over ICE cars but they have the same space/geometry problems, inherently, due to being cars, and are therefore bad. also of course tire/road friction creates a lot of very bad pollution, which electric cars due to being heavier are worse about. not sure if we're actually disagreeing here, but imo if we look at the overall list of negative externalities from cars there are a few that are improved by switching from ICE to EVs, and many more that don't change at all, get worse, or are entirely novel to EVs. if we're looking at it not solely as a question of whether or not a car uses fossil fuels but instead as a question of what cars do to our society and our planet, i think they're less of a step forward and more of a step sideways
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:say something mean about electric cars, no matter how heavily qualified, and get dogpiled by people on that sub talking about how awesome they are. Not "yes they suck, but are an improvement on ICE cars", but rather, "anything negative about EVs is a lie, here's a link to a study commissioned by Tesla to prove that". Not saying those people are a majority on that sub, but there's enough of them that it is very annoying. this is one of the top posts from this past week, and the comments are very much in favour of the premise of the tweet
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the love tap i got a week ago actually cracked the fillpipe on my gastank somewhere so that's going to be nice and cheap to fix because we didn't trade insurance for a "minor" bump. welp!
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That's what you get for driving a car. Also fuckin lmao. This one suburb of Houston is bitching about big rigs using their neighborhood as a parking lot. Huge loud trucks parking and driving at all hours of the night and residents can't do poo poo about it. It's a unincorporated suburb with an HOA. Truckers give no fucks about an HOA. They tried to call the Houston cops but they don't give a poo poo since the suburb doesn't pay Houston taxes. Deadly Ham Sandwich has issued a correction as of 05:34 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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Yeah, the real benefit with electric cars are less local air pollution and less general road noise. The actual long term carbon benefits (at least currently) are heavily mixed compared to a simple hybrid. Then you balance that with more road wear (that has its own carbon price), the weight and low noise of the vehicle being dangerous for pedestrians, and that fact it has been used as a disincentive for public transportation infrastructure etc. Basically, in the long-term it needs to happen, but not only is mass adoption not really practical at the moment, but it is delaying shifts that in fact do need to happen. That said, I would say transportation in the US is in a period of constriction foreseeable future. Most urban freeways are maxed out: and there is very little actual money going into non-road infrastructure. It is just going to be an mess as people get more and more pissed off. I am very glad to live in a place (not the US) where you really don't need a car. It improves your entire quality of life and your overall long term financial future.
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Which reminds me, I have to figure out what my savings on not having a car is, measured in weekly work hours. It feels like a couple
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BonHair posted:Which reminds me, I have to figure out what my savings on not having a car is, measured in weekly work hours. It feels like a couple I think most people underestimate how much it actually costs. Usually, people talk just about gas/insurance/car payments but not everything else a car brings from parking fees/tickets to long-term health issues (not to mention costs of maintenance/accidents). It is a whole big matzo ball of problems. It is just if you were born in the US, the powers that be have made it very clear that you are going to have to own one to work unless you want to wait 2 hours for bus transfers.
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Will adding a shitload of guns to the mix help? https://twitter.com/abc15/status/1585748249842835456 quote:Phoenix police say there was an argument between occupants of two vehicles in the area. During the argument, two men got into a physical fight after exiting their vehicles. One of the men stabbed the other several times and then drove away.
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BonHair posted:Which reminds me, I have to figure out what my savings on not having a car is, measured in weekly work hours. It feels like a couple The lifetime cost of driving a car quote:The car is one of the most expensive household consumer goods, yet there is a limited understanding of its private (internal) and social (external) cost per vehicle-km, year, or lifetime of driving. This paper provides an overview of 23 private and ten social cost items, and assesses these for three popular car models in Germany for the year 2020. Results confirm that motorists underestimate the full private costs of car ownership, while policy makers and planners underestimate social costs. For the typical German travel distance of 15,000 car kilometers per year, the total lifetime cost of car ownership (50 years) ranges between €599,082 for an Opel Corsa to €956,798 for a Mercedes GLC. The share of this cost born by society is 41% (€4674 per year) for the Opel Corsa, and 29% (€5273 per year) for the Mercedes GLC. Findings suggest that for low-income groups, private car ownership can represent a cost equal to housing, consuming a large share of disposable income. This creates complexities in perceptions of transport costs, the economic viability of alternative transport modes, or the justification of taxes. results would probably be even more dramatic if you managed to replicate this study in the USA
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:not sure if we're actually disagreeing here, but imo if we look at the overall list of negative externalities from cars there are a few that are improved by switching from ICE to EVs, and many more that don't change at all, get worse, or are entirely novel to EVs. if we're looking at it not solely as a question of whether or not a car uses fossil fuels but instead as a question of what cars do to our society and our planet, i think they're less of a step forward and more of a step sideways yeah we are in agreement, this is all right
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Oct 30, 2022 15:16
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Weird how all these casualties in the War on Cars are from friendly fire.
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, the real benefit with electric cars are less local air pollution and less general road noise. The actual long term carbon benefits (at least currently) are heavily mixed compared to a simple hybrid. I would think a hybrid is more complex/expensive than an EV, but idk anything about cars. Are they actually simpler?
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Real EVs are ridiculously simple, hybrids are complicated because they have all the parts of an ICE plus the parts of an EV plus the parts needed for them to work together.
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cool av posted:I would think a hybrid is more complex/expensive than an EV, but idk anything about cars. Are they actually simpler? They are more complex, but the issue is the battery pack itself which is a massive carbon sink and it the lifetime of the battery/the electricity you are using is going to greatly change the carbon outcome. I am sure you can arrange a situation where it pencils out positive over years in the right locations but that isn’t a great argument on a nation-wide level: Also, you could argue situations like pedestrian safety have a feed back effect, if people are too scared to walk outside without dying, they are going to forced to use cars even more which is creates a larger carbon cost alongside just how carbon is being spent due to car culture (giant big box stores etc). Hell, you could argue that roads themselves have a negative albedo effect as well. Basically, current electric cars are a way to feel you are doing something while making the situation even worse.
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Ardennes posted:They are more complex, but the issue is the battery pack itself which is a massive carbon sink and it the lifetime of the battery/the electricity you are using is going to greatly change the carbon outcome. Has anyone done the math on how much lithium and such we would have to mine in order to replace conventional cars with electric cars?
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Halloween is a beautiful holiday because it's one time out of the year where lots of people remember how nice it is to walk around town (please don't remind me of the tragedies,I know). I got to spend Friday and Saturday nights walking around car-free downtown festivals. It's so incredibly unlike anything we get to experience otherwise in the US.
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McCracAttack posted:Has anyone done the math on how much lithium and such we would have to mine in order to replace conventional cars with electric cars? Yeah, I don't have the link but I'll save you the effort of watching: It's not possible.
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McCracAttack posted:Has anyone done the math on how much lithium and such we would have to mine in order to replace conventional cars with electric cars? pencil in something like 1.5 billion cars around the world, plus assume that rising living standards means the number of cars will likely continue to increase, and think about the vast quantities of lithium being used to just make it possible for us to keep driving cars for a little while longer it's, uh, not good
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McCracAttack posted:Has anyone done the math on how much lithium and such we would have to mine in order to replace conventional cars with electric cars? Just make a loving electric train already.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Yes. Basically everyone concludes world lithium mining needs to ramp up massively for all those batteries in new cars. Like an order of magnitude greater than current lithium mining.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Just make a loving electric train already. Where do you think you are?
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Halloween is a beautiful holiday because it's one time out of the year where lots of people remember how nice it is to walk around town (please don't remind me of the tragedies,I know). In like 15 years we've only gotten 2 or 3 groups of trick or treaters at our house. Nobody trick or treats out here because everybody drives their kids into town to hit up bigger neighborhood or go to the big thing one of the churches puts on
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car manufacturer taking my vape batteries at gunpoint
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People are such shitheads, today I got honked at for not queuing across an intersection that had very explicit 'do not queue across intersection' paint markings all over it, which allowed cars from a side road to turn onto the road and thus I guess put one or two more cars between this person and where they had to very urgently get?
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We call that blocking the box where i live and my favorite story of that is: In seattle blocking the box is a pretty hefty fine. Cops could absolutely make all their quotas off it in a loving day through downtown on it but instead while a bunch of cars were blocking the box, a cop was giving pedestrians tickets for walking on the cross walk between all the cars that were blocking because it was off the walk signal and therefor dangerous despite the fact that it was grid lock and no one was moving. Shockingly that cop was also found to be insanely racist and later let go, then rehired thanks to the SPOG.
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