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Young Freud posted:Well, Jack Dorsey greeted the news of Elon finally closing the deal on Twitter by announcing that his Bluesky Social app, a decentralized, federated social network protocol, with "user data...free of government influence and controlled by users than commercialized by a corporation", has entered closed beta testing. I actually signed up for the Blue Sky beta after watching Twitter get extremely negative this weekend. I don't know, everything just felt off. I don't get a lot of time to socialize because of grad school (graduation in December!), so I don't know if it has been like this for awhile. I'm up for trying something new if I get the chance.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Remember how Yahoo bought Tumblr for $1 billion and sold it for $3 million? It's gonna be extremely funny if the exact same thing happens again on a much grander scale. Hell, I'm not sure Twitter will even be worth $3 million by the end, unless I'm underestimating how many chuds will jump onboard the train wreck.
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I mentioned this in the Tech Nightmares thread, but I'll repeat it here: Twitter is basically the cigarettes of the internet. You consume it quickly, it gives you a hit, and even when you know it's bad for you, you're still kind of worried that if you quit you won't get to chill with the crowd standing outside the bar and making small talk. Elon is the exec saying "what if we make the cigarettes much, much stronger?" metaphorically speaking. To continue the metaphor, he never thought about why the most popular cigarette in the world is a Marlboro Light.
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MadDogMike posted:Hell, I'm not sure Twitter will even be worth $3 million by the end, unless I'm underestimating how many chuds will jump onboard the train wreck. Chuds all hate each other and I think actually find each other as obnoxious as everyone else does, there's a reason all the right wing social medias are failures.
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Oct 31, 2022 07:14
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Chuds all hate each other and I think actually find each other as obnoxious as everyone else does, there's a reason all the right wing social medias are failures. I think it's more that, like Trump, if people aren't paying attention to them then what's the point? Sure, they enjoy their echo chambers where it's illegal to disagree with them, but they prefer the feeling that somewhere a lib is being triggered and owned because they had to read the latest Let's Go Brandon tweet, and they know they aren't getting that validation on a conservative social media site.
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Oct 31, 2022 07:31
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Chuds all hate each other and I think actually find each other as obnoxious as everyone else does, there's a reason all the right wing social medias are failures. They all are failures because there aren’t any libs to own in any of the echo chambers. That’s why the chuds always come back to twitter no matter how many times their accounts get banned, because if there isn’t any libs getting owned it isn’t any fun for them.
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Bugsy posted:They all are failures because there aren’t any libs to own in any of the echo chambers. That’s why the chuds always come back to twitter no matter how many times their accounts get banned, because if there isn’t any libs getting owned it isn’t any fun for them. Also all the fetish porn they get flooded with by trolls who use their lax moderation ethos against them 
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's a great sign, but now we get to watch to see if Bolsonaro attempts/pulls off a coup of his own. Yeah guys full blown barking mad psycho like Trump so will be very surprised if he goes quietly. He and his son had been claiming fraud for weeks in the likely event that he lost so he's already laid the groundwork to dispute endlessly and his supporters are well conditioned towards political violence as a response after being fed the usual slate of lies from the right wing playbook like Lula is a child killing cannibal Satanist etc. e: Holy gently caress that was an insanely close vote though as these things usually tend to be in the polarized political climate. Leftist vs. far right candidate balanced on a razors edge of just over 1% difference in voter preference. That many people preferred a poo poo bag that all he's done is rant and rave and denigrate a good chunk of the country and made piss poor "gut" decisions based on his own ignorance and trash personality. I'll never understand why so many are still going for these far right populists with no ideas so consistently around the world and how sheer spite and nihilism are now killer qualities to have as someone aiming for high office. Svanja posted:I actually signed up for the Blue Sky beta after watching Twitter get extremely negative this weekend. I don't know, everything just felt off. I don't get a lot of time to socialize because of grad school (graduation in December!), so I don't know if it has been like this for awhile. I'm up for trying something new if I get the chance. My experience is it's just kind of always like that really, people trying to irritate and degrade one another constantly as a blatant goal, just hurling insults and posting dunks at each other, zero self reflection or sense of purpose to discussions, everything's a joke like Elon Musk treats it and there's no take too hot and spicy. That sort of thing. I did hear that he use of racial slurs positively exploded overnight when Musk took over though and that it was well above the usual volume. Kale fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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Kale posted:Yeah guys full blown barking mad psycho like Trump so will be very surprised if he goes quietly. He and his son had been claiming fraud for weeks in the likely event that he lost so he's already laid the groundwork to dispute endlessly and his supporters are well conditioned towards political violence as a response after being fed the usual slate of lies from the right wing playbook like Lula is a child killing cannibal Satanist etc. it was closer because police purposefully blocked roads in order to prevent people from going to the polls
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Remember how Yahoo bought Tumblr for $1 billion and sold it for $3 million? It's gonna be extremely funny if the exact same thing happens again on a much grander scale. The Tumblr and Myspace purchases were hilariously bad decisions. News Corp bought out Myspace and then sold it at a 95% loss just a few years later. Myspace was already dying, so paying a premium for it right after Facebook started taking over was such a monumentally bad idea.
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Oct 31, 2022 14:19
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Elon is hitting the ground running. - Subscription fee for verified posters of $20 per month to be implemented in November. - Firing 25% of Twitter staff right away with a plan to fire up to another 50% later this year or early next year. - Formulating ideas on how to get all user's payment info or verified ID info on file. Leaning towards requiring credit card info or submitting a picture of your driver's license to make an account. - Ordering Twitter staff to work 24/7 through November 7th to make his requested changes to Twitter. https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1586883942870749185 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1587059213901217792 https://twitter.com/FT/status/1587059790143971328
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the_steve posted:I think it's more that, like Trump, if people aren't paying attention to them then what's the point? This is spot on. Remember that at their core, these people are reactionaries. They don't have beliefs, they have prejudices. The entire essence of their ideology is the infliction of suffering on people they hate. FB and Twitter are literally a drug to them because they get to act out their base impulses with far fewer social norms constraining them. To make this work, there has to be a victim to attack.
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These folks need to start resigning en-mas.
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the_steve posted:The only thing that's going to kill Twitter is for someone to develop a version of it that enough people prefer over the original to trigger a mass cultural exodus. Facebook killed Myspace long before Farmville and Candy Crush. If you ever had or used Myspace it was terrible. It allowed users to set up their pages like the worst geocities crap, half the pages I looked at blared max volume deathmetal at you. Aside from very important aesthetic differences Facebook also introduced important functional differences that came to define it. I can't remember if Myspace had a passive news feed where your "friends'" posts would appear on your page without you having to go to theirs or if they had a "like" system in place. I don't believe they did. But I do feel the aesthetic limitations that Facebook put on the look of user pages were as important as the functional stuff. A lot of Myspace pages were just amateurish and unpleasant, the whole thing was kind of cheap and stupid and the fact that they forced that founder Tom guy on you as your first "friend" with each new account was the worst. Imagine if you were forced to have Zuck as your Facebook friend.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Elon is hitting the ground running. This one in particular is funny and will ultimately be somewhat self-destructive. Verification isn't supposed to be a prestige thing. It's supposed to be for the health of the platform, so that you can trust you're not seeing a knock-off or imposter. I suppose you could argue that maybe companies and well-off individuals will feel compelled to pay to verify, but it feels like it's just going to lead to an erosion of trust in the platform, and will basically be more detrimental to smaller creators and the such that still sort of benefit from verification. Or at least, I think about how many people already get fooled by tweets from accounts that have one letter off. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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davecrazy posted:These folks need to start resigning en-mas. I assume that every single employee of twitter has been burning up the phones all weekend looking for new jobs.
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davecrazy posted:These folks need to start resigning en-mas. They're all going to get fired for cause for failing to work 24/7
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davecrazy posted:These folks need to start resigning en-mas. I don't think the software people making like $350k/year TC are in a rush to go anywhere until they don't have a choice.
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PoopShipDestroyer posted:I don't think the software people making like $350k/year TC are in a rush to go anywhere until they don't have a choice. if you are a twitter employee and are not busy trying to get a new job at any other tech firm, you are a very, very dumb person even if (especially if) you are confident you are in the 25% musk wants to keep
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How are the labor laws in Cali? (that's where Twitter is HQ'd, right?) I can't imagine you just get to lay off 25-50% of your workforce without paying some severance, I understand under certain conditions people can be fired without severance due to poor performance, but I assume if there's even a modicum of worker friendliness "company taken over, workers told to work 24/7, and people mass-fired based on some crackpot top 50% performance goal" is not going to qualify for a no severance termination? I certainly hope a lot of workers are in a position that they can milk a paycheque for a bit longer without actually busting their humps for Elon. Either way I hope Elon's strategy only makes a bigger mess that costs him even more money.
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Oxyclean posted:How are the labor laws in Cali? (that's where Twitter is HQ'd, right?) I can't imagine you just get to lay off 25-50% of your workforce without paying some severance, I understand under certain conditions people can be fired without severance due to poor performance, but I assume if there's even a modicum of worker friendliness "company taken over, workers told to work 24/7, and people mass-fired based on some crackpot top 50% performance goal" is not going to qualify for a no severance termination? California has the WARN Act which requires 60 days notice if you do any significant layoffs: https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN However, Elon HATES paying severance and has tried to skirt around it multiple times in the past with Tesla by doing mass layoffs one on one and also firing for "cause" which is what I assume he's doing now. https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1586616320791138305?s=20&t=2-3w8T2za6KRNPERkwAbkQ
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Oxyclean posted:How are the labor laws in Cali? (that's where Twitter is HQ'd, right?) I can't imagine you just get to lay off 25-50% of your workforce without paying some severance, I understand under certain conditions people can be fired without severance due to poor performance, but I assume if there's even a modicum of worker friendliness "company taken over, workers told to work 24/7, and people mass-fired based on some crackpot top 50% performance goal" is not going to qualify for a no severance termination? Musk already fired the executives and some engineers "with cause" to avoid severance packages built into contracts and did it two days before they were scheduled to be paid their stock options for the year. So, he is apparently willing to push it as far as it can go. This seems like a boneheaded move and the only logic I can see behind it is that he has some kind of internal documents regarding performance to justify it or he is just hoping that nobody sues him (which seems unlikely given that one of the people he did this to was the head of legal at Twitter who forced him to buy the company).
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- Formulating ideas on how to get all user's payment info or verified ID info on file. Leaning towards requiring credit card info or submitting a picture of your driver's license to make an account. I can see this working extremely well in conjunction with the firing of all the security staff. Finally twitter can compete with Parler and have every user's important personal data leaked by hackers.
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davecrazy posted:https://twitter.com/KenTremendous/status/1586911834807754752?s=20&t=3-LAgIrHKt3McNi8L1nAAw At the high end, it looks like there are 400,000 verified users. If every one of them pays $20 a month, that's $8 million. To give a scope of how much this first big project means for his $44B company.
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Oxyclean posted:How are the labor laws in Cali? (that's where Twitter is HQ'd, right?) I can't imagine you just get to lay off 25-50% of your workforce without paying some severance, I understand under certain conditions people can be fired without severance due to poor performance, but I assume if there's even a modicum of worker friendliness "company taken over, workers told to work 24/7, and people mass-fired based on some crackpot top 50% performance goal" is not going to qualify for a no severance termination? Elon wants to do a mass firing today to avoid stock vesting tomorrow, which probably cuts out any ability to do a secret mass layoff (and people will sue even if he tries). The quirk here is: typically WARN violations get paid by, essentially, paying severance. You're required to get 60 days of notice, you didn't, here's 60 days of salary - which is better for you, you don't need to work for those 60 days. But here, people have a really big interest in being employed tomorrow, not merely being paid their salary tomorrow. I do not know how WARN violations work in this circumstance - if they'll be able to assert an entitlement to that vesting under the WARN act. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Musk already fired the executives and some engineers "with cause" to avoid severance packages built into contracts and did it two days before they were scheduled to be paid their stock options for the year. So, he is apparently willing to push it as far as it can go. This seems like a boneheaded move and the only logic I can see behind it is that he has some kind of internal documents regarding performance to justify it or he is just hoping that nobody sues him (which seems unlikely given that one of the people he did this to was the head of legal at Twitter who forced him to buy the company). He will absolutely get sued because there are employment lawyers who take these cases on contingency as their business model, and this would be the best-paying one probably in a decade. Lawyers will be fighting over who gets to be class counsel.
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So even with the limited employee protections workers in the US have, don't "for cause" firings that don't come with a paper-trail of disciplinary action and coincidentally line up with events like share vesting and retirement create a liability for the company even outside the WARN Act? Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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Killer robot posted:At the high end, it looks like there are 400,000 verified users. If every one of them pays $20 a month, that's $8 million. To give a scope of how much this first big project means for his $44B company. Hey man, that 96 million dollars a year... that's only 458 years to get back the 44billion! Jesus gently caress 44 billion is a big number.
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Tiny Timbs posted:So even with the limited employee protections workers in the US have, don't "for cause" firings that Depends on the employment contract. What you're describing is basically a breach of contract - if my contract says I get paid if I'm fired not-for-cause but lose that protection if I'm fired for cause, you lying about why I was fired is a question of if you breached the agreement by not paying me severance or not. But if my contract says I get my bonus if I'm employed on November 1, and not if I'm not - for whatever reason - then the rationale for firing me is just PR and doesn't really go to my rights. Musk may want to lie and say he fired me for performance reasons, but if he had the right to fire me just because he didn't feel like paying, then there's not really much litigation recourse (aside from, I guess, a defamation lawsuit).
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Cranappleberry posted:it was closer because police purposefully blocked roads in order to prevent people from going to the polls Also spending the last month taking money from everything he could for aid programs(vote buying).
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Zwabu posted:the fact that they forced that founder Tom guy on you as your first "friend" with each new account was the worst. The rest of your critiques are valid, but who the gently caress actually cared about Tom being their first friend? What was wrong with Tom looking over his should and smiling at you?
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PeterWeller posted:The rest of your critiques are valid, but who the gently caress actually cared about Tom being their first friend? What was wrong with Tom looking over his should and smiling at you? They interviewed the Tom from Myspace guy and he said they did it because the owner should have the most friends and to prevent users from seeing a message saying, "You have 0 friends," getting discouraged, and leaving the site. Tom will always be there for you and that was what fueled MySpace's brief success.
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I think he’s betting on the large number of people who couldn’t get verified before who want a blue check to the ones paying the $20, not just the 400k who are currently verified.
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Tom is also very clear that he built MySpace with the goal to monetize it, but couldn't figure out how. So, when he got an offer for nearly a billion dollars, he immediately sold out and doesn't regret it. Now, he's living his best life by spending all of his time posting on a photography blog, going to burning man, and talking about how rich he is and how glad he was to get that sale offer when he did.
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Riven posted:I think he’s betting on the large number of people who couldn’t get verified before who want a blue check to the ones paying the $20, not just the 400k who are currently verified. Yeah, but all those people wanted to get verified because of what verification was taken to mean- trust, status, belonging to an elite company-recognized tier of tweeters. If this goes through the only thing verification will mean is "I got successfully extorted by Elon Musk" and demand will go way down
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Good for Tom. And now that I think about it, the functional deficiencies of Myspace compared to Facebook are probably why my memories of Myspace are much fonder than my memories of FB. There was no feed, so I didn't get toxic bullshit fed to me.
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haveblue posted:Yeah, but all those people wanted to get verified because of what verification was taken to mean- trust, status, belonging to an elite company-recognized tier of tweeters. If this goes through the only thing verification will mean is "I got successfully extorted by Elon Musk" and demand will go way down I mean I'm pretty sure that even if the cachet of a bluecheck does completely instantly shift, there's also a pretty good sized market of reply guys and weirdos that will pay any price for an Elon Badge yeah. He has a fanbase too. Is it as big as the base of people who wanted a blue check to scold more effectively? I do not know.
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Musk will have to work hard to truly kill Twitter because every ideological bloc's representative commentariat are hopelessly and horribly addicted to it and will be putting in world historic levels of volunteer labor to rehab everything he does to prevent people bailing, but I believe in him
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Epic High Five posted:Musk will have to work hard to truly kill Twitter because every ideological bloc's representative commentariat are hopelessly and horribly addicted to it and will be putting in world historic levels of volunteer labor to rehab everything he does to prevent people bailing, but I believe in him I know that if nothing else, his weird semi-sockpuppeted twitter army will do so. IDK for the rest of it; these are basically the leadership moves I'd expect if someone were trying to sink a company deliberately.
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Epic High Five posted:Musk will have to work hard to truly kill Twitter because every ideological bloc's representative commentariat are hopelessly and horribly addicted to it and will be putting in world historic levels of volunteer labor to rehab everything he does to prevent people bailing, but I believe in him the issue is twitter loses poo poo-tons of money, and that's before you put in $1b of interest expenses per year it doesn't need to be abandoned to have it financially collapse. remember: as a private company, every dollar it loses comes out of elon musk's pocket now, and when tesla stock comes down from 70x earnings, that is going to hurt even more
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