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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
Marxists would have you believe that revolutions occur as a result of changing material conditions. Revolutions actually occur when you have a sufficient density of Great Men; which do not exist amongst the American worker; who is uniquely morally bad.

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Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
the platypus is right. it all evens out everyone here posts on the internet these days and is a lil weeny

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
Have you seen the modern day cops and freikorps? Nobody is sending their best.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

unwantedplatypus posted:

Have you seen the modern day cops and freikorps? Nobody is sending their best.

Every part of the system is so wildly incompetent they can't be trusted to do their own jobs.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
people used to be so much stronger and nobler in the past compared to now. i wish i could return to that time

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

unwantedplatypus posted:

Marxists would have you believe that revolutions occur as a result of changing material conditions. Revolutions actually occur when you have a sufficient density of Great Men; which do not exist amongst the American worker; who is uniquely morally bad.

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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MLSM posted:

Socialism with American (liberal) Characteristics has never worked and never will

so if we assume you're right and nearly 400 million people are permanently and irrevocably tainted by opposing ideology, whats the play? whats to be done?

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
i say we let 'em go

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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socialism with russian (depressed) characteristics has never worked and never will

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Cpt_Obvious posted:

What's a good source for the history of the American labor movement?

strike! by jeremy brecher is good and gets updated, read it as a teen then again a few years ago

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

croup coughfield posted:

socialism with russian (depressed) characteristics has never worked and never will

it stopped working when russians stopped being depressed.

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

the true revolutionary heart of american communism lies within the american reactionary, untainted by identity, who will take up the mantle of global revolution just as soon as a twitch guy tells them that communism is good and maga, actually

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

the true revolutionary heart of american communism lies within the american reactionary, untainted by identity, who will take up the mantle of global revolution just as soon as a twitch guy tells them that communism is good and maga, actually

thats me

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

the true revolutionary heart of american communism lies within the american reactionary, untainted by identity, who will take up the mantle of global revolution just as soon as a twitch guy tells them that communism is good and maga, actually

the only people willing to pick up a hammer and go to work

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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The Voice of Labor posted:

trotsky was certainly a better writer than stalin. do we have any literagarchies to draw comparisons to? like, any evidence that ceteris parabis the best writer will be the best leader of men?

thinking about this post again and having a laugh

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Cpt_Obvious posted:

What's a good source for the history of the American labor movement?

i havent worked my way down to it in my backlog but this came highly recommended by people

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Fight-Like-Hell/Kim-Kelly/9781982171056

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Cpt_Obvious posted:

What's a good source for the history of the American labor movement?

Philip Foner published like 50 books on it

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

MLSM posted:

Socialism with American (liberal) Characteristics has never worked and never will

you are gay

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Thanks for all the suggestions just in time for Christmas new years!

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

MLSM posted:

Socialism with American (liberal) Characteristics has never worked and never will

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Sunny Side Up posted:

Thanks to Prolekult channel on YT I’m picking up Biography of a Blunder by Edara because apparently it has a course correction on this Althusser stuff

oh poo poo, someone finally noticed this book?

i used to lean toward Derek Sayer's account of base/superstructure from "The Violence of Abstraction," but then Edara's book thoroughly persuaded me otherwise (and IMO also kinda jibes better with other accounts of stratification/emergence I like, such as the critical realists')

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

Aeolius posted:

oh poo poo, someone finally noticed this book?

i used to lean toward Derek Sayer's account of base/superstructure from "The Violence of Abstraction," but then Edara's book thoroughly persuaded me otherwise (and IMO also kinda jibes better with other accounts of stratification/emergence I like, such as the critical realists')

Tell me more??? I’m excited to read it.

Also plowing through “the principal contradiction” rn and it’s good. I’m really really trying to wrap my head around the process of analyzing contradiction which also appears to just be methodologically applying diamat

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

Tempora Mutantur posted:

:pray: maybe christmas can come early this year, and by early I mean delayed into next year by several months due to shipping issues

I liked the explanation from The Deprogram - Importance of Intersectionality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6PtQeeJn8) which framed it as you need both as the skeletal and muscular systems of a movement; essentially, ignoring the real differences between how people are treated/what they've experienced in favor of purely class, is as misguided as treating those experiences as wholly independent from class

Thank you for this. Sometimes the Deprogram guys are on point but often they’re a little too immature to me. Better than many, I guess. Also hoping they don’t platform anti-lgbt Cockshott.

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

MLSM posted:

Socialism with American (liberal) Characteristics has never worked and never will

Grow where you’re planted, friend. The idea that there’s somewhere to run is idealism.

Best you can do with what you have is practice-theory-practice.

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Sunny Side Up posted:

Tell me more??? I’m excited to read it.

while reading it i remember thinking it reads kinda "dissertation-y," and then i found out that that's what it was -- he wrote that for his phd in English at the University of Hyderabad. it took an English scholar to really properly diagram Marx's statement from the 1859 Preface, hah

the thrust of it is that he argues that from 1859 until the end of his life, Marx was consistent in using "base and superstructure" such that "superstructure" was the politico-legal instutions atop the relations of production. however, over the next century and beyond, B&S took on a sort of totalizing scope that they weren't meant to -- essentially swapping places with "mode of production," which itself took on a more "base-only" reading instead of the sort of epochal totality.

and then he goes on to show how this was propagated through the years. iirc the analytical marxists come in for a big chunk of it, but you can even see traces of it in Stalin

i don't super remember his remarks on althusser, though i think he had a mixed evaluation? i will be honest, he's toward the end of the book and i had pretty much already gotten what i'd come for at that point so i just kinda skimmed his part. but these days i am reading more Louie, myself, so maybe i'll revisit it

Aeolius has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Nov 1, 2022

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

bongmaster
Oct 16, 2022

by Azathoth

lol

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

you all ever notice how under the free market, companies move towards being monopolies and cartels

whats up with that

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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croup coughfield posted:

so if we assume you're right and nearly 400 million people are permanently and irrevocably tainted by opposing ideology, whats the play? whats to be done?

mlsm answer the question you weepy bitch

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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AnimeIsTrash posted:

you all ever notice how under the free market, companies move towards being monopolies and cartels

whats up with that

itds because they like hanging out together

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

AnimeIsTrash posted:

you all ever notice how under the free market, companies move towards being monopolies and cartels

whats up with that

If by companies you mean unions then yes; and that means the market isn't free and we need our boys in blue to liberate it

bongmaster
Oct 16, 2022

by Azathoth

croup coughfield posted:

itds because they like hanging out together

they're just guys who love hanging out, and talking about things

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/red-flag-falling-the-story-of-the-manhattan-commune.132941/

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

map game fan fiction

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Maybe there is a better thread for but how did the terms "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" come to be ascribed as characteristics of communism?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Maybe there is a better thread for but how did the terms "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" come to be ascribed as characteristics of communism?

Hannah Arendt I presume

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unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
"Totalitarianism" is more or less a propaganda term designed to make right wing military dictatorships seem "less bad" (and therefore worthy of western support) compared to communist. The idea goes that because communists are "authoritarian" in the economic sector as well as the political sector; they are a new even worse thing called totalitarian. Total authoritarianism. Allende, bad guy, supported a totalitarian ideology. I don't support Pinochet; but at least he lets the Chileans have economic freedom!

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