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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Honestly sounds like the forums a bit. I've been looking at it and it seems appealing. I don't follow technology that much but it feels like people are moving to more "federated" forms of social media anyways. I mean that in a loose sense and not in a strictly technical one. The downside is they don't scale easily because the architecture is confusing to most people, but they've been incubating for awhile and it makes me wonder. The federated stuff is a non-starter for normal people. But if you're talking about social media like Discord and Snapchat that don't default to making everything you post visible to the whole world, then yeah. Those are not federated, they're still centralized services. But they have partitions between communities and between the inside and the rest of the internet. Discord has captured the next wave of extremely online people. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I also suspect that Twitter's death rattle is gonna start shaking when "creative" type people and "early adopters" will leave it for other sites. Or the kind of people who work in Silicon Valley and don't like Musk, not the people who treat Musk like Steve Jobs, that is mainly just hipsters, and with Musk it's terminally online crypto-bros and ancaps who believe "yeah he might run slave-driving companies but this is a necessity to filter for the right type of passionate people." Centralization is power, power produces centralization. (And by power I don't just mean political/social/economic power. Also power in the sense of "conversion of energy into useful work". One big steam turbine produces more power than thousands of backyard generators, which are better than a million hamster wheels. One big social network website is more efficient to run & use than 500 little ones.) Crypto-bros are a good example because despite setting up this supposedly ideal de-centralized system, as soon as anyone tried to do anything practical it immediately trended towards centralization. They imagined that decentralization away from the most obvious power (government) was all they needed. And what it proved was that removing the government just means you don't get the benefits of things the government is good at (stopping crime, fraud, and manipulation), while still having all the bad parts of economic centralization (manipulation, monopoly/oligopoly, and theft). So IMO I doubt that Mastodon or whatever other decentralized / federated / open-source networks will ever be successful even if they were easier to set up and run. Rejecting centralized power entirely is extremely difficult to pull off, and not a winning move even if you succeed. Anyways all I want is a small fries and a frosty, thanks.
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ironically the most successful mastodon deployments don't really participate in the federated aspect and just treat it as a turn-key way to launch a centralized twitter clone and of course they mostly function as twitter offsites for content that's too mask-off or gross for twitter, otherwise they'd just use twitter
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Oct 31, 2022 18:49
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yeah both gab and truthsocial started as mastodon nodes for white nationalists. i think truthsocial got in trouble for it initially because they just stole it without attribution and didn’t comply with the license requirements.
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Oct 31, 2022 18:57
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it's obvious that the blue check charge has nothing to do with turning a profit, he is just trying to make it more exclusive without actually kicking people out directly, so all the random bluecheck personalities who aren't actually a "brand" using it for real business purposes stop paying and lose it
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Oct 31, 2022 18:58
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most likely because elong is mad about random nobodies with inexplicable checks getting hacked and then the hackers changing their name to "EIon Musk" and spamming his extremely stupid followers with bitcoin-doubling scams.
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Oct 31, 2022 19:00
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Bad Purchase posted:yeah both gab and truthsocial started as mastodon nodes for white nationalists. i think truthsocial got in trouble for it initially because they just stole it without attribution and didn’t comply with the license requirements. also the largest instance by post-count is pawoo, who's specialty is allowing that kind of anime artwork i think pawoo is technically federated but nearly every other instance blocks them for obvious reasons
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Oct 31, 2022 19:01
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It's like that Ronaldo statue but in 2D.
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Oct 31, 2022 19:30
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I too graduated from art university of 8 years. The fightin Octets!!
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Oct 31, 2022 19:32
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Shove that motherfucker into the ground on Easter Island
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Oct 31, 2022 19:35
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It's like he wanted to draw Musk as Jesus but his only reference pic of Jesus was that italian painting some old lady messed up.
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Waffle House posted:So in addition to now not posting on twitter, I'm gonna completely Not news around this guy. To be fair: The alternatives are not very good. As bad as Twitter is, it does a better job than things like Mastadon and others.
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At Twitters scale, creating even the material for this - the marketing, the copy text, the legal, the visuals - and disseminating it to everyone (let's say just the blue check marks) takes 2 weeks in just logistics. Engineering a solution - even if you already have a payment platform - still takes months to get live. Trying to cut corners and you're bound to end up falling into a legal gray area at best. So of course it makes sense musk would do this, look at Tesla.
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Edwardly posted:At Twitters scale, creating even the material for this - the marketing, the copy text, the legal, the visuals - and disseminating it to every blue check mark (let's say just the blue check marks) takes 2 weeks in just logistics. Yeah, remember Musk got fired from Paypal for thinking it was simple to migrate all of Paypal's stuff from Windows servers to Linux. He knows just enough tech to be dangerous, and that's it.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:they already have the payment processor integrated and all the ui set up on different OSes for the lovely $5/mo sub that nobody uses because it doesn't do anything You know, on reflection, while it does sound like the technical aspects of this change are probably mostly covered by existing functionality, It's still insane to expect that people begin working on implementing a brainfart immediately. If I was them, I'd be demanding a very very specific and exact design doc with every tiny detail of the required outcome covered. You tell me exactly what you want and I'll work on it. No loving new daily stretch goals. I've worked in private companies where idiots with no understanding how how things actually worked have the ear of the CEO and it always resulted in us having to work on bullshit projects that were 100% doomed to failure because they originated in hubris and ignorance.
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Oct 31, 2022 20:06
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A $20 subscription for a blue check mark is just high enough for normal people to never use it, and yet still low enough that a billionaire, company, or government entity wouldn't mind dropping $20,000 a month for a botnet of a thousand "verified" accounts that are "real" people. Even realler than the actual human beings on twitter.
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Pookah posted:If I was them, I'd be demanding a very very specific and exact design doc with every tiny detail of the required outcome covered. You tell me exactly what you want and I'll work on it. No loving new daily stretch goals. Well, no, because that would take far too long. Elon knows what he wants, wasn't he clear enough? Just make the $20 blue stars. And really make it pop this time
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Pookah posted:You know, on reflection, while it does sound like the technical aspects of this change are probably mostly covered by existing functionality, It's still insane to expect that people begin working on implementing a brainfart immediately. Yeah this. Functional companies don't have the CEO yell to the world that the crazy idea he just came up with needs to be done by the end of the week or everyone is fired like some sort of over the top cartoon.
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Almost Smart posted:If nothing else, it will hopefully crush the perception of Elon Musk as some genius innovator and entrepreneur. Dude is coming off as some rich dipshit who stumbled into greater riches by coasting off the genius of others. His contributions to society are a poorly-designed tunnel, car door handles that trap the driver inside a fiery coffin when their not-auto autopilot drives them into the back of a truck, and whatever atrocity white supremacist Twitter is responsible for over the next six months. I thought this poo poo was hyperbolic but I actually rode about a quarter mile in the back of a Model 3 recently. The door open mechanism is an electronic button and I didn't know where the emergency door release was. It's actually genuinely kinda scary not knowing how you're meant to exit a vehicle if poo poo goes bad.
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golden bubble posted:A $20 subscription for a blue check mark is just high enough for normal people to never use it, and yet still low enough that a billionaire, company, or government entity wouldn't mind dropping $20,000 a month for a botnet of a thousand "verified" accounts that are "real" people. Even realler than the actual human beings on twitter. Well yes, he wants to monetize the money going into conservative media from various billionaires for himself. Now super pacs will spend a lot of money registering Twitter accounts to make specific topics trend as though they're a real discourse. Or allow Russia to skip the whole step of having to register and hide 3rd party bots somewhere, now Putin will just simply pay for 10,000 blue accounts directly to Twitter.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Yeah this. Functional companies don't have the CEO yell to the world that the crazy idea he just came up with needs to be done by the end of the week or everyone is fired like some sort of over the top cartoon.  But what if.. hear me out. What if we just install crypto miners on all the servers? What the gently caress is a kunernetting, just do it. You have 3 days!
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Pookah posted:I've worked in private companies where idiots with no understanding how how things actually worked have the ear of the CEO and it always resulted in us having to work on bullshit projects that were 100% doomed to failure because they originated in hubris and ignorance.
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Oct 31, 2022 20:15
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He dissolved the board. Dictator for life.
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Zugzwang posted:This also happens outside of software BTW. The fun part is when said idiot starts blaming you/your team for the fundamentally impossible thing not working. Oh yeah, I'm sure it's an absolutely every field thing. All you need is a rich/influential person close to management, who knows nothing relevant but has Big Ideas.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, remember Musk got fired from Paypal for thinking it was simple to migrate all of Paypal's stuff from Windows servers to Linux. I did not know this this is exceptionally funny it reminds me of the time my idiot ex-boss hired one of his rich friend's kids to be in our IT department. His first day, new guy walks up to me (engineering lead over the backend systems) and says, excitedly, "I'm going to upgrade all of your SVN repositories to git!!" When I said "the hell you are", it looked like I had just run over his dog, but uh, it ain't just... that easy, new guy. For those not in programming, changing your source code repository into an entirely different technology is one of those things you bring people together to discuss, and it takes time, and if you gently caress it up, lmao e. I should be clear, everything indicated that he was gonna do it, like, that day, not that he was coming to tell me he was put on some new project to do it
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Oct 31, 2022 20:22
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“I saw it in a tv show once, why can’t you do the same thing?!”
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, remember Musk got fired from Paypal for thinking it was simple to migrate all of Paypal's stuff from Windows servers to Linux. Other way around, Musk wanted to switch to Windows from the existing *nix infra. Cause he's a loving moron.
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Oct 31, 2022 20:25
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lol, $240 a year for local Annie's Bagel Shop to post their menu for the week on Twitter.
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Decon posted:I thought this poo poo was hyperbolic but I actually rode about a quarter mile in the back of a Model 3 recently. The door open mechanism is an electronic button and I didn't know where the emergency door release was. It's actually genuinely kinda scary not knowing how you're meant to exit a vehicle if poo poo goes bad. That's what the fire's for. No loose ends
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Oct 31, 2022 20:29
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Everything about this subscription checkmark thing is so incredibly dumb. Treating it as a pure vanity feature undercuts the one single positive thing twitter has had going for it so far. Making your value-generating users pay more money while letting your value-consuming users off the hook is sure to go well. Engineers are willing to tolerate mandatory OT in order to land something that has fallen behind. Requesting it as part of the initial planning of something will not go well. Maybe not at first, but soon enough.
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JehovahsWetness posted:Other way around, Musk wanted to switch to Windows from the existing *nix infra. Cause he's a loving moron. oh my loving god that's 10x worse lmao
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Decon posted:I thought this poo poo was hyperbolic but I actually rode about a quarter mile in the back of a Model 3 recently. The door open mechanism is an electronic button and I didn't know where the emergency door release was. It's actually genuinely kinda scary not knowing how you're meant to exit a vehicle if poo poo goes bad. in some models the physical emergency release handle is hidden in the air vents, you have to pull the grates out to be able to see it. very normal place to hide an emergency release, im sure the people sitting in a raging lithium fire will have plenty of opportunities to calmly consult the manual for the right secret trick
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Aramis posted:Everything about this subscription checkmark thing is so incredibly dumb. blue checkmark users and 'brands' bring 0 positive value to twitter or to social media in general
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Code Jockey posted:it reminds me of the time my idiot ex-boss hired one of his rich friend's kids to be in our IT department. His first day, new guy walks up to me (engineering lead over the backend systems) and says, excitedly, "I'm going to upgrade all of your SVN repositories to git!!" bobjr posted:“I saw it in a tv show once, why can’t you do the same thing?!”
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Decon posted:I thought this poo poo was hyperbolic but I actually rode about a quarter mile in the back of a Model 3 recently. The door open mechanism is an electronic button and I didn't know where the emergency door release was. It's actually genuinely kinda scary not knowing how you're meant to exit a vehicle if poo poo goes bad. The model 3 doesn't even have an emergency rear door release at all.
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https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1587094505202892800?s=46&t=_DUENjQt1iFS4iDitjOJaw
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Also even if this works I can’t see this system making all that much money, nowhere near what he needs
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:blue checkmark users and 'brands' bring 0 positive value to twitter or to social media in general I wouldn't dare suggest that all (or most of, or even a large portion of) blue checkmark users bring that value, but credible citizen journalism is the one silver lining of the platform. Having a means to protect them from impersonation is part of what made Twitter "useful" in that sphere. Aramis fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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