MLB Offseason: It's All About the Positions He Doesn't Play

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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed.
Shohei Ohtani	50	59.52%
Aaron Judge	19	22.62%
Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know!	15	17.86%
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Gerblederp: Dec 4, 2009

Intruder posted:

e: nvm was remembering wrong

There was a case where someone got caught cause he tried to gather his bat pieces instead of running it out but that wasn't Sammy, can't remember who it was

Sammy did cork his bat though and blamed it on it being the wrong bat, claimed it was a BP bat that he used to hit long homeruns for the fans

That was Wilton Guerrero wasn�t it?

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:14

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# ? May 28, 2024 01:19

fast cars loose anus: Mar 2, 2007; Pillbug

For me no one will ever beat Greg Nettles' bat filled with super balls in terms of actual offense

The Albert Belle incident of course tops everyone because of the post-confiscation chicanery

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:24

Good Dog: Oct 16, 2008; Who threw this cat at me?; Clapping Larry

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Despite all the dingers Sammy hit, he has less bWar than Bobby Abreu which I find hilarious

Sosa has 609 HRs and 58.6 bWar. That has to be one of the lowest war per dinger

I am too lazy to learn how to check that kind of thing but my first guess for lowest bWAR/HR ratio (with some minimums in place) is Ryan Howard.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:24

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Despite all the dingers Sammy hit, he has less bWar than Bobby Abreu which I find hilarious

Sosa has 609 HRs and 58.6 bWar. That has to be one of the lowest war per dinger

To be fair, Bobby Abreu was really, really good

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:28

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

Red posted:

To be fair, Bobby Abreu was really, really good

Yeah and very under appreciated

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:32

Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

I loved Abreu back in the day, but in the case of two all-bat RF, the fact that the WAR algorithm says the guy who hit 600 dingers is less valuable sure is something

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:35

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

davecrazy posted:

Aparently the Mets are making their RF Aaron Judge friendly.

going all out to court the little league stadium home run king wow

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:38

Tony Phillips: Feb 9, 2006

Good Dog posted:

I am too lazy to learn how to check that kind of thing but my first guess for lowest bWAR/HR ratio (with some minimums in place) is Ryan Howard.

Quick check and Howard wrecks Sosa for lower bWAR/HR

14.7 / 382

Adam Dunn at a nearly equal but ever so slightly better 17.9 / 462

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:40

davecrazy: Nov 25, 2004; I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.

maffew buildings posted:

going all out to court the little league stadium home run king wow

Of all the things I hate the Wilpons about, the orginal dimensions of Citi Field are right up there.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:41

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I loved Abreu back in the day, but in the case of two all-bat RF, the fact that the WAR algorithm says the guy who hit 600 dingers is less valuable sure is something

Abreu was a much better hitter except at hitting dingers

# ? Oct 31, 2022 17:42

Darude - Adam Sandstorm: Aug 16, 2012

Tony Phillips posted:

Quick check and Howard wrecks Sosa for lower bWAR/HR

14.7 / 382

Adam Dunn at a nearly equal but ever so slightly better 17.9 / 462

Mark Reynolds: 6.8/298

# ? Oct 31, 2022 18:44

Tony Phillips: Feb 9, 2006

Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

Mark Reynolds: 6.8/298

Ouch. No way that's being beat.

edit: or not.

Tony Phillips fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Oct 31, 2022

# ? Oct 31, 2022 18:50

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

Dante Bichette is at 5.7/274

# ? Oct 31, 2022 18:54

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

Jose Guillen 6.4/214
Deron Johnson 6.3/245
Dante Bichette: 5.7/274

# ? Oct 31, 2022 18:59

Tony Phillips: Feb 9, 2006

Dawning on me that there's plenty of players with a negative WAR, so there's gotta be some HR minimum I think.

There's probably someone even more terrible with more HRs, but Mariners legend Danny Meyer is sitting at -6.5 with 86 HR.

Good ol' worst hitter ever Bill Bergen is at -6.9 WAR with 2 HRs which might be the worst ever if ignoring any minimums.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:20

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

I expected Neifi Perez to have a negative WAR and surprisingly he does not

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:23

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Nodoze posted:

I expected Neifi Perez to have a negative WAR and surprisingly he does not

Playing in Colorado made his offensive numbers not awful, and he was always slightly above average at defense, apparently. That's super confusing, because I remember him being terrible at every facet of baseball.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:39

thehoodie: Feb 8, 2011; "Eat something made with love and joy - and be forgiven"

corked bats are especially funny because the science suggests they don't actually help at all

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:42

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

Red posted:

Playing in Colorado made his offensive numbers not awful, and he was always slightly above average at defense, apparently. That's super confusing, because I remember him being terrible at every facet of baseball.

He was terrible. He barely hit in one of the greatest offensive environments ever

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:45

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2EwY93ID30

Corked bat exit velo was higher.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 19:46

Kevlar v2.0: Dec 25, 2003; =^�⩊�^=

Popete posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2EwY93ID30

Corked bat exit velo was higher.

Did not expect to be come at that aggressively from a YouTube tutorial

# ? Oct 31, 2022 20:25

Kevlar v2.0: Dec 25, 2003; =^�⩊�^=

Those guys were crushing baseballs at 95-97mph exit velo with the normal bat and it really puts into perspective that Kyle Schwarber nuked one at 120 mph. :stare:

# ? Oct 31, 2022 20:39

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Kevlar v2.0 posted:

Those guys were crushing baseballs at 95-97mph exit velo with the normal bat and it really puts into perspective that Kyle Schwarber nuked one at 120 mph.

If he were alive 100 years ago, he'd be the farm kid that beat up the circus strongman

# ? Oct 31, 2022 20:47

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

Kevlar v2.0 posted:

Those guys were crushing baseballs at 95-97mph exit velo with the normal bat and it really puts into perspective that Kyle Schwarber nuked one at 120 mph.

Those guys are really good hitters, former D1 college/pro ball players and some minor league guys but occasionally they get a top prospect like Adley Rutschman has been on a few times and MLB level talent is just so good.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 21:08

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

Popete posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2EwY93ID30

Corked bat exit velo was higher.

by about 3 MPH at max exit velo wow god drat

e: to be clear, because this is the internet, that is a sincere reaction not a sarcastic one

# ? Oct 31, 2022 21:46

Penisaurus Sex: Feb 3, 2009; asdfghjklpoiuyt

Tony Phillips posted:

Dawning on me that there's plenty of players with a negative WAR, so there's gotta be some HR minimum I think.

There's probably someone even more terrible with more HRs, but Mariners legend Danny Meyer is sitting at -6.5 with 86 HR.

Good ol' worst hitter ever Bill Bergen is at -6.9 WAR with 2 HRs which might be the worst ever if ignoring any minimums.

Surprised to see Yuni was only at -2.4 bWAR.

All-time inverse correlation between quality of nickname and quality of player though.

# ? Oct 31, 2022 21:59

RC and Moon Pie: May 5, 2011

Here's when Chris Sabo was caught with a corked bat. Sabo claims he borrowed it from a teammate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft-pWVaRnQ8

Billy Hatcher's corked bat. It wasn't his. Hilariously, it belonged to pitcher Dave Smith. Or at least, it had Smith's number on the handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75KwmNDJy7Q

Others caught with cork:
Graig Nettles in 1974
Albert Belle in 1994 (the one Jason Grimsley Mission Impossible'd from the umpires room)
Wilton Guerrero in 1997
Sosa in 2003

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:06

Ammat The Ankh: Sep 7, 2010; Now, attempt to defeat me!
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Tony Phillips posted:

Quick check and Howard wrecks Sosa for lower bWAR/HR

14.7 / 382

Adam Dunn at a nearly equal but ever so slightly better 17.9 / 462

By the metric of bWAR/HR, the greatest player of all time is Bartolo Colon

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:15

Tony Phillips: Feb 9, 2006

Ammat The Ankh posted:

By the metric of bWAR/HR, the greatest player of all time is Bartolo Colon

It would be Clemens if he ever hit a home run, but it's actually Randy Johnson.

(It's absolutely Bartolo if you're ranking (bWAR/HR)*howawsomeitwas)

# ? Nov 1, 2022 00:41

No Safe Word: Feb 26, 2005

Tony Phillips posted:

It would be Clemens if he ever hit a home run, but it's actually Randy Johnson.

(It's absolutely Bartolo if you're ranking (bWAR/HR)*howawsomeitwas)

TIL both Tom Seaver and Greg Maddux hit 5 HR somehow :psypop:

# ? Nov 1, 2022 01:13

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

Tony Phillips posted:

It would be Clemens if he ever hit a home run, but it's actually Randy Johnson.

(It's absolutely Bartolo if you're ranking (bWAR/HR)*howawsomeitwas)

Bartolo actually has a negative modifier for stealing Johan's Cy Young

# ? Nov 1, 2022 01:19

Traxis: Jul 2, 2006

No Safe Word posted:

TIL both Tom Seaver and Greg Maddux hit 5 HR somehow

Zach Greinke has 9 career HRs which is extremely impressive considering he spent more than half of his career playing with the DH

# ? Nov 1, 2022 01:19

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

Shohei Ohtani has 127

# ? Nov 1, 2022 01:36

GPTribefan: Jul 2, 2007; Something witty yet inspirational about the Cleveland Indians

RC and Moon Pie posted:

Here's when Chris Sabo was caught with a corked bat. Sabo claims he borrowed it from a teammate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft-pWVaRnQ8

Billy Hatcher's corked bat. It wasn't his. Hilariously, it belonged to pitcher Dave Smith. Or at least, it had Smith's number on the handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75KwmNDJy7Q

Others caught with cork:
Graig Nettles in 1974
Albert Belle in 1994 (the one Jason Grimsley Mission Impossible'd from the umpires room)
Wilton Guerrero in 1997
Sosa in 2003

I think you�re forgetting the all time greatest corked bat aftermath

In 2000, card company Pacific put out a product called Invincible that included game used bat cards - they obtained gamers from players, cut them up into slices, and inserted them into cards that were hella hard to find and really well-designed. Well whoops, turns out the gamer they got from Manny was corked and it made it into some of the cards CORK INTACT

Pacific hit the panic button after the card was released and purchased a SECOND bat to cut up and insert into a different product to make good. Except�. That one turned out to be corked too. Manny being Manny on a whole �nother level

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:39

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

My favorite part about the Albert Belle corked bat is when Grimsley broke into the office to replace it with an uncorked bat he used a Paul Sorrento bat. When asked why, he said because Belle didn't have any uncorked bats

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:44

Traxis: Jul 2, 2006

Popete posted:

Shohei Ohtani has 127

Only 5 in games he pitched in :colbert:

# ? Nov 1, 2022 02:47

camoseven: Dec 30, 2005; RODOLPHONE RINGIN'

GPTribefan posted:

I think you�re forgetting the all time greatest corked bat aftermath

In 2000, card company Pacific put out a product called Invincible that included game used bat cards - they obtained gamers from players, cut them up into slices, and inserted them into cards that were hella hard to find and really well-designed. Well whoops, turns out the gamer they got from Manny was corked and it made it into some of the cards CORK INTACT

Pacific hit the panic button after the card was released and purchased a SECOND bat to cut up and insert into a different product to make good. Except�. That one turned out to be corked too. Manny being Manny on a whole �nother level

This is awesome. I have $50 paypal burning a hole in my pocket and I'm distraught there aren't any on ebay. I wonder how much they go for!

# ? Nov 1, 2022 03:25

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

I'm going to guess those sell for a lot more than $50.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 03:31

AlbertFlasher: Feb 14, 2006; Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Popete posted:

I'm going to guess those sell for a lot more than $50.

lol ya this. That's a card that could go for serious $$$$.

# ? Nov 1, 2022 14:52

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# ? May 28, 2024 01:19

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

Google says it was listed for like $5k last time it was on ebay

# ? Nov 1, 2022 15:04

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