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Grandpa Palpatine posted:This. The thing is, even if there were a red wave, the Dems would learn nothing. That's why it's so hard to understand why everyone here is hoping for the GOP to dominate -- it's not like the Dems will suddenly start supporting socialists and leftists. It will just solidify the fascists' hold on the government and institutionalize their goddamn platform of hate. Seriously, how the gently caress can you root for that poo poo? Can't speak for anybody else here, but I very much don't want the GOP to win. I do, however, want the Dems to be destroyed. It sucks rear end that, because of how our political system was designed here, the latter implies the former, but it is what it is. Thing is, the Dems are going to wither and die at some point anyway. Siding with megadonors over regular folks is not a sustainable strategy in any system where voting can, even theoretically, accomplish things. Eventually, the wheels are gonna come off, and that's what's going on right here, right now. The liches with a deathgrip on the levers of power in the party don't give a gently caress because they're almost dead, but the rest of us are going to have to live with the consequences of their shittiness in selling us out. Near as I can tell, the only question is how quickly we're gonna get the final loving into fascism, and I don't know that any of us has any control over which it'll end up being. So all I can do is laugh hysterically on the way down or scream into the void as things continue to do what they've done for my entire lived experience: get worse, day by day and year by year.
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FistEnergy posted:the GOP is the endgame boss but you can't damage them until you break their force field, which is generated by the weak/stupid quisling DNC mini-boss
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A republican takeover of New York state would be very funny and a yet another instance of democratic party incompetence to throw on the heap
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the dems are capable of Doing Politics, it's just that those politics are fetching the heart attack gun, using house reps as blow off valves, and the Totally Not Coordinated By Obama thinning of the field ahead of super tuesday. i don't stick my head out these days because it's tiring and trite at this point, but getting yelled at despite voting for clinton in 2016 has been my line in the sand. there's nothing to engage with when you're getting blamed for trump/fascism 2/whatever because you had the gall to point out that biden's pitch was "nothing will fundamentally change". both pelosi and biden up there screaming about how we NEED a strong republican party and bipartisanship is cool and good and my friend and goated with the jugs. like im painted as the insane and ridiculous nihilist in this situation.
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tiberion02 posted:speak for yourself.... sure, the media won't validate me / my opinion / the sweet science of dialectical materialism / CSPAM wisdom - but I absolutely WILL be telling every Democrat and liberal to go gently caress themselves and I am right. gently caress em
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Fascism really isn't decided by an single election, it is when a political system captured by the interests of capital no longer feels like the pretext of competitive elections or politics is useful for them anymore. Admittedly, I don't think the US political system has ever been that free or competitive, but America turning fascism isn't just going to be the Republicans taking over but the entire political class (and those who own them) agreeing: "this is the way things have to be for the good of the nation." We just really aren't that far from that point, and I don't think there is much to do to stop it at this point.
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World War Mammories posted:that guy shooting tiny toese in the toes? now tha'ts what i call praxis im back at home and lmfao at that av
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you have been warning about the Dems' dire situation for years and when your predictions come true you enjoy a little gallows humor, that means you wanted the GOP to win the whole time!
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it's not my fault that the dems suck, though i do enjoy when libs blame leftists for it.
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Yeah I don't think anyone itt is looking forward to the eventual unified GOP control of the entire government but it's hard not to laugh at the people who, when told maybe they should throw a bone to regular people once in a while respond with "take a civics class you dumb piece of poo poo selfish prole" lose in the most embarrassing ways possible
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Phone posted:the dems are capable of Doing Politics, it's just that those politics are fetching the heart attack gun, using house reps as blow off valves, and the Totally Not Coordinated By Obama thinning of the field ahead of super tuesday. The thing that absolutely loving sends me every time is when they say that the GOP is an existential threat to democracy, freedom, and America, while at the same time talking about how they absolutely need to work in a bipartisan fashion with their good friends, the aforementioned existential threats.
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Kreeblah posted:The thing that absolutely loving sends me every time is when they say that the GOP is an existential threat to democracy, freedom, and America, while at the same time talking about how they absolutely need to work in a bipartisan fashion with their good friends, the aforementioned existential threats. Or worse yet directly fund the campaigns of the most openly fash
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Phone posted:i don't stick my head out these days because it's tiring and trite at this point, but getting yelled at despite voting for clinton in 2016 has been my line in the sand. there's nothing to engage with when you're getting blamed for trump/fascism 2/whatever because you had the gall to point out that biden's pitch was "nothing will fundamentally change". both pelosi and biden up there screaming about how we NEED a strong republican party and bipartisanship is cool and good and my friend and goated with the jugs.
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really queer Christmas posted:im back at home and lmfao at that av it loving rules dude
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FistEnergy posted:the GOP is the endgame boss but you can't damage them until you break their force field, which is generated by the weak/stupid quisling DNC mini-boss Players are so afraid of the phase change mechanics they'd rather wail on the force field ineffectively than do that.
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Kreeblah posted:Can't speak for anybody else here, but I very much don't want the GOP to win. I do, however, want the Dems to be destroyed. It sucks rear end that, because of how our political system was designed here, the latter implies the former, but it is what it is. Pretty much exactly how I feel. My choice is between a CIA (?) spook and a GOP candidate who wants to do a nationwide abortion ban. No good choices at all and certainly no one who comes anywhere near my views.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Pretty much exactly how I feel. My choice is between a CIA (?) spook and a GOP candidate who wants to do a nationwide abortion ban. No good choices at all and certainly no one who comes anywhere near my views. And the spook wants to negotiate about who we'll unperson for the GOP to come to the table for other deals. Like ok, no abortion ban, but we'll still criminalize miscarriages for the poor and block their access to healthcare.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:This. The thing is, even if there were a red wave, the Dems would learn nothing. That's why it's so hard to understand why everyone here is hoping for the GOP to dominate -- it's not like the Dems will suddenly start supporting socialists and leftists. It will just solidify the fascists' hold on the government and institutionalize their goddamn platform of hate. Seriously, how the gently caress can you root for that poo poo? If you think that Republicans have somehow crossed some "fascist" line that Democrats have not crossed, your understanding of politics is very broken. For an analogy that might make sense for you, we view this similarly to how you probably view Republican primaries. One person might be vaguely better than the other in their rhetoric, but it's obvious that they're both terrible people who agree about the vast majority of issues. Governors and some state legislatures are a possible exception to this, since that's where most of the worst differences between the two parties manifest.
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Which party is gonna stand up for my righ to get a boibortion in case I get peg preg?
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Kreeblah posted:Can't speak for anybody else here, but I very much don't want the GOP to win. I do, however, want the Dems to be destroyed. It sucks rear end that, because of how our political system was designed here, the latter implies the former, but it is what it is.
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Kreeblah posted:The thing that absolutely loving sends me every time is when they say that the GOP is an existential threat to democracy, freedom, and America, while at the same time talking about how they absolutely need to work in a bipartisan fashion with their good friends, the aforementioned existential threats. people's actions are immeasurably more instructive of their true beliefs than their words and the actions of the Dems are in conflict with their words in this regard, yeah
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rooting for the dems to lose on a dead gay comedy forum doesn't cause them to lose or empower republicans. democrats are losing because they loving suck and most people are tired of it.
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spacemang_spliff posted:it's hard not to laugh at the people who, when told maybe they should throw a bone to regular people once in a while respond with "take a civics class you dumb piece of poo poo selfish prole" lose in the most embarrassing ways possible
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spacemang_spliff posted:Yeah I don't think anyone itt is looking forward to the eventual unified GOP control of the entire government but it's hard not to laugh at the people who, when told maybe they should throw a bone to regular people once in a while respond with "take a civics class you dumb piece of poo poo selfish prole" lose in the most embarrassing ways possible it's not my job to educate you
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Ardennes posted:Fascism really isn't decided by an single election, it is when a political system captured by the interests of capital no longer feels like the pretext of competitive elections or politics is useful for them anymore. In that view it seems like the Democrats, who openly sneer at the idea of helping their voters, are the more fascist, paternalist party.
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Kreeblah posted:Can't speak for anybody else here, but I very much don't want the GOP to win. I do, however, want the Dems to be destroyed. It sucks rear end that, because of how our political system was designed here, the latter implies the former, but it is what it is. Same. I do not cheer for or celebrate Republican victories. I do, however, want the Democratic Party to be destroyed.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:rooting for the dems to lose on a dead gay comedy forum doesn't cause them to lose or empower republicans. democrats are losing because they loving suck and most people are tired of it. If it did, I would do it harder. The one thing that makes me think the democrat party is good actually is their sheer incompetence. Maybe I do want them in charge of the USA.
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Phone posted:it's not my job to educate you that's what every teacher i had said and look at me now
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spacemang_spliff posted:that's what every teacher i had said and look at me now the system werks
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/...ingawful.com%2F https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/...ingawful.com%2F lol
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PerniciousKnid posted:In that view it seems like the Democrats, who openly sneer at the idea of helping their voters, are the more fascist, paternalist party. As others have said, they are two wings of the same far-right party. It is they just have modestly different priorities. The Democrats prioritize the deficit, because they believe a higher debt burden is the detriment of the empire, while the Republicans desire a more short-term approach that utilizes populism to enrich themselves. Both are entirely entrapped by capital but there is a split on strategy. Neither wings cares about democracy, the welfare of the population, the sustainability of human life on the planet etc etc: it is if the needs of the rich are better served by a measured approach or a more chaotic all in bonanza.
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belated one year anniversary for this thread 
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the election's gonna go the way it's gonna go, just gotta find what joy you can in the results
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The republicans openly want to destroy your rights and enact corporate fascism. The democrats want to fundraise off that threat and will not do anything to actually safeguard your rights. In fact, they will coopt and sabotage any popular demand for expansion of rights in the name of austerity and pragmatism, while also enacting corporate fascism. Its also worth thinking about it like this: left to their own devices the republicans will destroy the country faster than capital can privatize and take over. The democrats exist to legitimize consolidation and deflect populist energy. If you need an example, think about the 2020 protests. The protesters had a clear message advocating for reform of a self evidently broken justice system. They had energy, purpose, and organization. The democrats intervened and coopted all of that energy into a bland generic commandment to vote while supporting the cops and repeating the right wing propaganda that the protesters were lawless rioters. In the aftermath every democrat could not stop falling over themselves to give the cops even more money and proclaim just how much they love our boys in blue. The original protesters have been pushed to the wayside and progressive reforms are now being attacked as 'soft on crime' from all sides. Imagine for a moment the energy of 2020 captured by an actively anti-fascist national party and channeled into lasting change, then consider what actually happened instead. The democrats are not a lackluster party that at least slows the growth of fascism until a better solution can be found, the democrats are an active architect of fascism working hand in glove to turn over every aspect of existence to capital. You might see an individual candidate who has a platform you agree with, but voting blue no matter who advances the total capital takeover and destruction of human rights as surely as just not bothering to vote at all would have
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Dixon Chisholm posted:Which party is gonna stand up for my righ to get a boibortion in case I get peg preg? I’m going to tell myself that you coined these terms for this post but…
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Nix Panicus posted:The democrats intervened and coopted all of that energy into a bland generic commandment to vote while supporting the cops and repeating the right wing propaganda that the protesters were lawless rioters. And what's wrong with being a lawless rioter?
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:This. The thing is, even if there were a red wave, the Dems would learn nothing. That's why it's so hard to understand why everyone here is hoping for the GOP to dominate -- it's not like the Dems will suddenly start supporting socialists and leftists. It will just solidify the fascists' hold on the government and institutionalize their goddamn platform of hate. Seriously, how the gently caress can you root for that poo poo? The wailing and gnashing of teeth in the immediate aftermath will be funnier and the dems either want the same bad things the republicans do or will be utterly impotent as opposition so the outcome is the same no matter what Comrade Putin PLEASE launch the missiles so we can end this farce and enter FULL POSADISM
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