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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Filthy Hans posted:

Afghanistan was actually a pretty modern place in the 60s and 70s, as I was surprised to learn when I was younger and read The Kite Runner

it really sucks that the free world turned the country over to the worst reactionaries in the subcontinent and turned it into a horrifying dystopia.

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Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

Filthy Hans posted:

Afghanistan was actually a pretty modern place in the 60s and 70s, as I was surprised to learn when I was younger and read The Kite Runner

It depends; what's going on in Kabul or the urban centers is not necessarily applicable anywhere else, this is a good rule of thumb for Afghanistan throughout its history to the modern day. Zahir Shah's rule had given them a peaceful period for a few decades which led to the development of an urban intelligentsia and socialist government, but this may as well have occurred on Mars to someone living in many of the rural areas - hence the left government was not able to fully stabilize against the other internal forces vying for power. The government called the Soviets in for help which polarised the population even further, Mr Wilson and the CIA of course took one look at the situation and applied the classic move of backing the most violent scumbags they could find, and the rest is history.

Interesting to also note that by the time of the Soviet withdrawal the government was actually strong enough to hold out for another 3 years completely unsupported before the mujahideen finally captured Kabul.

Cookie Cutter has issued a correction as of 15:52 on Nov 2, 2022

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Cookie Cutter posted:

It depends; what's going on in Kabul or the urban centers is not necessarily applicable anywhere else, this is a good rule of thumb for Afghanistan throughout its history to the modern day. Zahir Shah's rule had given them a peaceful period for a few decades which led to the development of an urban intelligentsia and socialist government, but this may as well have occurred on Mars to someone living in many of the rural areas - hence the left government was not able to fully stabilize against the other internal forces vying for power. The government called the Soviets in for help which polarised the population even further, Mr Wilson and the CIA of course took one look at the situation and applied the classic move of backing the most violent scumbags they could find, and the rest is history.

Interesting to also note that by the time of the Soviet withdrawal the government was actually strong enough to hold out for another 3 years completely unsupported before the mujahideen finally captured Kabul.
The recent near immediate collapse of the American-backed regime kind of illustrates the point pretty well, where the clearly permanent progress achieved by the American occupation also appears to have had very limited reach. Though given its performance, 3 years is basically an eternity and presumably speaks to wider support among the populace.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
yeah and in those three years the other side was supported by american proxies liberally.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

bald and bankrupt went to Afghanistan last month and got some crazy footage, shame about his personality

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

https://twitter.com/ztiworoh/status/1587829523726360578

Durf
Aug 16, 2017




Tankbuster posted:

its written by sorkin. Its based off a real book and a little knowledge of matters in afghanistan tells you that the baddies are doing land redistribution and educating women. The book ends with Charlie Wilson being woken up on 9/11 with the towers being struck and his entire rear end falling out.

ya when Sorkin's credit came up I laughed

i was like OHHHH that's why its full of men correcting women and treating them as objects

also had to look up the production date when there was no mention of 9/11, other than Philip Seymour Hoffman warning about 'crazies flooding Kabul' post victory

Durf has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Nov 2, 2022

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/AustinMcCoy3/status/1587628816515665922?cxt=HHwWhMC4uef_sYgsAAAA

This is a pretty interesting project.

Durf
Aug 16, 2017





i love the imperial scenes in Andor so much. you can really feel the OT's influence combined with a 70s Datacenter from hell

they do a better job communicating the banality, bureaucracy, and inertia of evil than anything else in the series tbh





Durf has issued a correction as of 19:15 on Nov 2, 2022

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Durf posted:

ya when Sorkin's credit came up I laughed

i was like OHHHH that's why its full of men correcting women and treating them as objects

lmfao yeah ok Sorkin invented The White Male whole cloth.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
sorkin my dick

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Durf posted:

ya when Sorkin's credit came up I laughed

i was like OHHHH that's why its full of men correcting women and treating them as objects

also had to look up the production date when there was no mention of 9/11, other than Philip Seymour Hoffman warning about 'crazies flooding Kabul' post victory

Tankbuster posted:

its written by sorkin. Its based off a real book and a little knowledge of matters in afghanistan tells you that the baddies are doing land redistribution and educating women. The book ends with Charlie Wilson being woken up on 9/11 with the towers being struck and his entire rear end falling out.

the soviets gun down women for fun too, while talking about their wives complaining about their infidelity

POWELL CURES KIDS
Aug 26, 2016

mastershakeman posted:

i just watched tetsuo the iron man. it's on kanopy

go watch it everyone. 65 minutes of your life you will never forget

my id and superego are locked in conflict about whether or not to endorse this

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.

Durf posted:

i love the imperial scenes in Andor so much. you can really feel the OT's influence combined with a 70s Datacenter from hell

they do a better job communicating the banality, bureaucracy, and inertia of evil than anything else in the series tbh





I have not cared about anything starwars in forever, but started watching Andor out of boredom and it's pretty drat good. Dare I say it slaps even

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
how did so many people in this thread get hired by the Andor PR team

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
idc how many people say it's good: I'm not drinking that garbage

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

indigi posted:

how did so many people in this thread get hired by the Andor PR team

we're all surprised and a little unsettled that a Star War is actually seriously good for the first time since 1980

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

it's good

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


It's... adequate :evilbuddy:

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

we love andor because andor is a self serving loser who gets no respect from anyone. finally i feel represented in star wars

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

drat, i like andor because he's aspirational and has a way better life than me

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Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider
I just watch the star wars for the laser swords

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

idc how many people say it's good: I'm not drinking that garbage

It's got everything you'd ever want from a starwar - imperial bureaucracy, cops getting killed and not a single lightsaber in sight

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

idc how many people say it's good: I'm not drinking that garbage

fool me once with the Mandalorian — i watched s1 and it sucked rear end!!!

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

grate deceiver posted:

It's got everything you'd ever want from a starwar - imperial bureaucracy, cops getting killed and not a single lightsaber in sight

No! No!!

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

grate deceiver posted:

It's got everything you'd ever want from a starwar - imperial bureaucracy, cops getting killed and not a single lightsaber in sight

a middle manager demanding reports by 0700 is the best thing about the show

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




not a single lightsaber.. yet

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

i say swears online posted:

drat, i like andor because he's aspirational and has a way better life than me

I like him because the first thing he did on the show was shoot some corpocops

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Yeah, I'm refusing to call it until the full twenty four episode run is over. There's promising stuff, but the plotting is eccentric and I find the lead boring.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.

Fitzy Fitz posted:

not a single lightsaber.. yet

The moment a deepfaked Luke appears twirling one i'm dropping this poo poo

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

they named the sullen droid that everyone yells at "B2EMO"

they named a planet that becomes uninhabitable because of a mining disaster "Kenari" (canary)

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Why does Young Rock exist?

edit: and it was created by Nahnatchka Khan, who also made Don't Trust the B. how?

edit edit: and of course, it includes him running for president in 2032 with Rosario Dawson as his military General VP choice.

Nichael has issued a correction as of 23:06 on Nov 2, 2022

damn horror queefs
Oct 14, 2005

say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

fool me once with the Mandalorian — i watched s1 and it sucked rear end!!!

:hmmyes:

We have a saying in cspam. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

Grey Fox posted:

they named the sullen droid that everyone yells at "B2EMO"

they named a planet that becomes uninhabitable because of a mining disaster "Kenari" (canary)

yes the names all suck now that Lucas isn’t naming everything

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
I mean do you really think Disney is ever going to sign off on another “Evar Orbus and His Galactic Jizz-Wailers?” Of course not!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Alias Keef Girgo is great though

Durf
Aug 16, 2017




Kool Keef Girgo was radicalized after being profiled by cops and beat up by a robot while going to the store to pick up some Peezos and Revnog (the greenie green ones) on vacation

just like me



tbh I found the first few eps really slow but liked it once Skarsgard and the empire showed up. i really like the way they portray the misery inflicted on millions just because some spineless bureaucrats are afraid of losing their jobs

Durf has issued a correction as of 23:32 on Nov 2, 2022

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.
Mon Mothma is a lib

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

all I wanted was a conversation between Nemik and Saw Gerrera

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McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

grate deceiver posted:

Mon Mothma is a lib

they said that Nancy Pelosi was the inspiration for that character, so yeah lol

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