|
Pattonesque posted:the proposal I heard was maybe give her projectiles more velocity but significant bullet drop so she's more of a threat up close and less so at range that would be my long term preference, since a support that's directly incentivized to get up close and personal makes her feel both more unique stylistically and more like a ninja compared to the current kiriko who feels like a stake gun with legs
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 04:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 00:58 |
|
|
Anyone else dropping out after unlocking Kiriko? I mean I'm not playing competitive but the battle pass is just blah.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 04:32
|
|
|
Doomfist is beyond busted. Just dismally balanced in a bad way. Things that can knock you out of punch make no sense. Javelin, for instance. That has no business knocking you out of punch, but it can do it FROM BEHIND which is just horseshit. Hitting someone into a wall on an angle won't count as hitting them into a wall, instead, they'll skate like Lucio along the entire edge of the wall and take no extra damage or stun. His seismic strike will just... sometimes fail to kill Symmetra turrets which is also nonsense. It's like they made every 50/50 call possible as "Go against Doomfist". They really gotta rename him to like, "Paul" or something, because he's just weak sauce
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 04:40
|
|
|
imo his rocket punch should be on par with Rein's charge (with a longer cooldown to compensate), he should get his uppercut back instead of his awful block ability, and whenever he activates his big metal arm to do an ability, it should generate temporary shields to allies around him, doing extra shields based on the total damage he deals with that ability. Like an offensive version of Zarya, where being in the thick of things empowers your teammates.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 05:20
|
|
|
Veryslightlymad posted:Doomfist is beyond busted. Just dismally balanced in a bad way. This was foretold in that cinematic where a direct hit from his gauntlet killed neither a widowmaker nor an unarmored child at point-blank range
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 07:20
|
|
|
They murdered his damage. I went into the practice range against the Tracer dummy, and a full charged punch into the wall still requires you to headshot her two times in order to kill her. TWO TIMES. It's unbelievably bad.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 07:27
|
|
|
Veryslightlymad posted:They murdered his damage. I went into the practice range against the Tracer dummy, and a full charged punch into the wall still requires you to headshot her two times in order to kill her. TWO TIMES. It's unbelievably bad. He can still delete other characters in the span of combos. His big problem (like ball) is that he provides nothing outside of peels to protect the rest of the team in any way. You aren't playing a tank, you are playing a tanky character. If you are looking at balance purely from damage capabilities, it would probably be more fruitful to nerf the damage of all other tanks than buff the damage on any tank, even Doom. If there was like a 10% damage nerf across the board for all tanks (maybe excluding Doom), it wouldn't even be a bad thing.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:21
|
|
|
BabyRyoga posted:If there was like a 10% damage nerf across the board for all tanks (maybe excluding Doom), it wouldn't even be a bad thing. They tried nerfing tank damage in OW1 and it made them feel like dogshit to play.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:22
|
|
|
I would like Doomfist if he moved fast during his block instead of slowing to a crawl and if his punch did just a tad more damage
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:42
|
|
|
it feels like doomfist block should eat ana sleep like other absorb abilities but it doesn't
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:43
|
|
|
comedyblissoption posted:hanjo is the king poo poo of bullshit kills Used to be the emperor, back in the Scatter Arrow days.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:53
|
|
|
Kanfy posted:Used to be the emperor, back in the Scatter Arrow days. Simple Geometry.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:56
|
|
|
Hitting the scatter shot directly underneath a tank and erasing them from life
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 08:58
|
|
|
I miss Bacon’s dive crew I would watch that more than any esport.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 09:05
|
|
|
Gravitas Shortfall posted:They tried nerfing tank damage in OW1 and it made them feel like dogshit to play. That's before they buffed the role to be ultra-powerful, though. It's fair to say they overturned it a bit, seeing as how in many cases the tank is the biggest threat to the enemy supports (zarya, diva, winston all exploit this) on the map at any given time.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 09:08
|
|
|
tank damage is in a good place in the current patch except junker/doom might be a little undertuned and zarya a little overtuned
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 09:26
|
|
|
Make Doomfist the anti-tank tank. Give him extra damage vs armor/shields.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 10:09
|
|
|
Veryslightlymad posted:They murdered his damage. I went into the practice range against the Tracer dummy, and a full charged punch into the wall still requires you to headshot her two times in order to kill her. TWO TIMES. It's unbelievably bad. Doesn't it turn back into a oneshot if you soak up some damage with his defensive first?
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 10:17
|
|
|
Shadowlyger posted:Doesn't it turn back into a oneshot if you soak up some damage with his defensive first? nah that just adds a short aoe stun to anyone you send into a wall, which makes it much easier to get hs and pick someone but still no ohk
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 10:29
|
|
|
The internet says an empowered rocket punch (from blocking 90 damage with Power Block) gets a 50% bonus to damage, speed and travel time, an increase in knock back plus an area effect and a stun on wall hit. So yeah, while Doomfist may well be too weak (I haven't really played him recently) just going at it at the practice range with uncharged punches won't reflect how the ability is really supposed to work.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 10:35
|
|
|
I like how counters to currently OP characters keep getting removed from the game before their nerfs actually go live.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 11:31
|
|
|
Any good people to watch for Junkrat? Doing mostly solo queue, sometimes playing with 1-2 friends.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 11:32
|
|
|
BabyRyoga posted:His big problem (like ball) is that he provides nothing outside of peels to protect the rest of the team in any way. You aren't playing a tank, you are playing a tanky character. That's almost every OW2 "tank".
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 11:33
|
|
|
Jack Trades posted:That's almost every OW2 "tank". No it isn't, cmon man. Tank non-peel abilities: Rein: Shield Sigma: Shield and Succ DVA: Matrix (which is a big part of her peel kit as well but it's also front line damage mitigation) Zarya: Bubble (you can use it on DPS to engage, or just to protect them when they're in too deep) Orisa: Spin (and you can use Fortify to bodyblock a lot as well). Junkerqueen: Shout Doom's Power Block is theoretically a team protection ability, but it's small and kinda lovely. It's only Hog and Ball that don't have any team protecc abilities.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 11:38
|
|
|
Junker queen barely counts, tbh. Woo, 75 hp and slightly faster movement. That's totally as good as a 200 hp bubble that gives Zarya "gently caress you energy" if you try to burn it. Worth noting that queen needs to hit every single ally she has with the shout in order to get the same amount of HP added to the team. For how hard it is to use, her numbers should be higher, which tbh is a thing I can say about a lot of abilities/characters.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 13:52
|
|
|
Followup to yesterday's post i made about the best OW coach videos, this is a must watch for DPS players. I remember watching this in OW1 and it helped my DPS play immensely, again Spilo is my favorite coach, i haven't seen anyone better. This video applies to most other DPS characters besides hanzo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JyT5ApM6Zk
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 14:30
|
|
|
Just Chamber posted:I dont think anything has tilted me more in OW in a long time than playing against a Zarya. I know I shouldn't expect competency from the OW2 team but how the devs didn't see from playtesting how just leagues better she is than any other tank is beyond me. Thank god that patch will be here soon. from yesterday, but I've been finding great success fighting Zaryas by switching to Symmetra (admittedly a character I'm already comfortable with). you just laser beam her to death while ramping up on her bubbles, it's kind of like giving her a taste of her own medicine. especially effective if you have someone who will burst her on your mark
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 14:41
|
|
|
soscannonballs posted:Any good people to watch for Junkrat? Doing mostly solo queue, sometimes playing with 1-2 friends. Against him? Someone far off that can kill him like Hanzo; far off so you don't get the suicide bomb death. Which is my favorite way to kill people as Junkrat.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 15:00
|
|
|
grieving for Gandalf posted:from yesterday, but I've been finding great success fighting Zaryas by switching to Symmetra (admittedly a character I'm already comfortable with). you just laser beam her to death while ramping up on her bubbles, it's kind of like giving her a taste of her own medicine. especially effective if you have someone who will burst her on your mark In ow1, that's absolutely what you would do to destroy Zarya. In ow2 however, she is gonna focus melt you unless you have a pocket. You don't get ammo back anymore which means you have less pressure, and there is one more bubble potentially to burn through. I feel bad for the dps passive getting dumped on next season, because primary fire Sym is probably the single greatest benefactor to the speed and ammo on kill effect. She is already bottom 3 heroes in the game, without that effect she hurts even more. Of course, blizzard devs will only look at the stats where sym has high win rates because only mains pick her and only in niche situations and never fix the problem.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 15:49
|
|
|
Veryslightlymad posted:Doomfist is beyond busted. Just dismally balanced in a bad way. I haven't tuned into OW since quitting around the time Ana was released but all I read, all the Youtube videos I watched, said Doomfist was a trash tank. Every dozen games or so I'll get a one-trick Doomfist on the other team that is absolutely impossible to shutdown without serious coordination. I actually came here to post, is there even a solid counter hero to him? I've been using Echo with okay results but really he needs to be sub 50% hp and stay within 30m of me for a few seconds.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 15:49
|
|
|
One funny/novel solution to the stale meta would be an auto adjustment: every character has a few attributes that are tied to a scale. Damage, fire rate, cooldowns, durations. Weekly, the top 10 pickrate get a micronerf and the bottom 10 pick rate get a microbuff. Like 1% on the scale. This take bias out of the picture and just lets the meta solve itself. It could take some heros a few weeks to work their way out of an OP situation. e: I guess the problem is deciding which population to look at since ranks play so differently. headcase fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Nov 3, 2022 |
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 15:59
|
|
|
BabyRyoga posted:In ow1, that's absolutely what you would do to destroy Zarya. In ow2 however, she is gonna focus melt you unless you have a pocket. You don't get ammo back anymore which means you have less pressure, and there is one more bubble potentially to burn through. I don't run out of ammo while beaming her down, personally. Sym's my go-to pick against her
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 16:05
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZCS8h9IsNg
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 17:38
|
|
|
as doomfist, before any engagement, you peak in front of the enemy team with block up and go in after you gain charge for your punch. You should be able to ohko one of their 200 hp heroes or make the other team invest significant resources in saving them. Rinse repeat. It's a terribly simple strategy that works at every rank and is countered by not shooting the obviously baiting doom but it only take 1 person on your team to ruin it
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 17:44
|
|
|
sometimes i wonder if the person yelling 'zarya diff' was shooting the zarya bubbles asap every time
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 17:48
|
|
|
I miss pre-rework Symmetra. Gone but not forgotten Shield Generator.
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 18:14
|
|
|
comedyblissoption posted:sometimes i wonder if the person yelling 'zarya diff' was shooting the zarya bubbles asap every time As a support player it's always fun to watch your whole team feed her and have her just walk straight past them straight into the back line
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 18:25
|
|
|
YoshiOfYellow posted:I miss pre-rework Symmetra. Gone but not forgotten Shield Generator. I think the Shield Generator was as of Sym 2.0, right? and you could pick between either the tele or the generator
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 18:28
|
|
|
zenyatta + torb armor pack + symettra shield generator ult + brigette bugged armor ult the true dps support tank
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 18:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 00:58 |
|
|
i've been playing long enough to remember when symmetra just had a straight up shield grant as one of her abilities, back when blizzard really didn't understand FPSes at all
|
|
#
?
Nov 3, 2022 18:30
|
|