Xaris posted:

The issue is we're all goons, we are all aware of the history of goons. I can completely empathize it would feel like a persecution for trying to do a helpful things (guilty into proven innocent, etc etc of course would feel sucky), but also we're all acutely aware of goon history and those feelings should be transformed from persecution to broader-understanding & sympathizing that people have cause for questioning based on past-performance, and again that it's not the personal-character that's being called into question nor a personal-inquisition standing trial.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

I think a lot of people don't realize that if Plinkey spent $300-$600 a month of the fund's money on streamers and loot boxes it would still have a higher percentage of money going to those in need than most charities. Even the best charities have like 10% overhead. Plinkey's allegedly has negative overhead because when he runs out of Patreon money he just starts sending his own money. Hyperfixating on the bureaucracy just makes you look callous.

Farm Frenzy posted:

you are a liberal

WrasslorMonkey posted:

Turn on your monitor

Plinkey posted:

I've been constructing a cross for tomorrow

e: to put myself on

Plinkey posted:

I've been constructing a cross for tomorrow

e: to put myself on

Paladinus posted:

Patreon takes about 20%.

VideoKid posted:

you can easily go onto Patreon’s website to see their fee schedule.
https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/204606125-My-earnings-fees-founding-creator-
It doesn’t look like they take more than 5% so idk where people are getting the 20% number from

fun hater posted:

words

vortmax posted:

your username is incredibly accurate

Fsmhunk posted:

Where exactly was the 'fun' in this scenario?

fun hater posted:

there's a shocking amount of people throwing themselves onto a pyre for you and this project. this and posting people's personal emails as a transparent attempt to childishly emotionally manipulate people into dropping it is extremely disrespectful to them, at the very least.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

I'd like to see some basic accounting too, but it's not hard to understand how posting about it in bad faith even if you mean what you say is not constructive and really just amounts to making GBS threads on a guy who never volunteered for this bullshit. The fund is a black box, but if there were any flaw in the testimonials, or they were not numerous, I'm confident we wouldn't have heard the end of it from the PYF crew, so clearly it's helping people.

Vim Fuego posted:

fun hater posted:

there's a shocking amount of people throwing themselves onto a pyre for you and this project. this and posting people's personal emails as a transparent attempt to childishly emotionally manipulate people into dropping it is extremely disrespectful to them, at the very least. you could at least not undercut their efforts so blatantly for your own personal (emotional or otherwise) gain

we doing know this for sure. but it would be nice to know, for sure.

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

Dude, you explicitly said in the other charity thread that you hate cspam. Sorry, but you hosed it up, you don't get to concern troll anymore if you can't stop yourself from doing loving shakespearean asides about how much you hate the cunts that you're nominally advising.

spacemang_spliff posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4jIlFwuLU

Paladinus posted:

Patreon takes about 20%.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

If you and 500 good dogs want the same thing, then what is the issue here?

fun hater posted:

there's a shocking amount of people throwing themselves onto a pyre for you and this project. this and posting people's personal emails as a transparent attempt to childishly emotionally manipulate people into dropping it is extremely disrespectful to them, at the very least. you could at least not undercut their efforts so blatantly for your own personal (emotional or otherwise) gain

we doing know this for sure. but it would be nice to know, for sure.

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Plinkey posted:

please gently caress off from this thread forever

i don't know why people in this thread would do that, most of whom i've never actually talked to or really interacted with directly? do you have any idea? any, at all? because it helped them?

all emails were posted with permission

Fsmhunk posted:

Don't you think it's kind of lovely to ask anything of them considering the dynamic in play? You control if they get a potentially very important sum of money, what if they feel refusing you is not an option? Just kind of a gross thing to do even if they were all 100% fine with it IMHO.

WampaLord posted:

Yup, every single thing Plinkey has done has been lovely and gross. Trying to help out people? The shittiest and grossest thing one can do. Did you all know he's gambled? Like wagered money? IN AMERICA?!?!?!?!

Gross poo poo, imo. But not as gross as trying to wring drama out of a charity thread.

WampaLord posted:

Yup, every single thing Plinkey has done has been lovely and gross. Trying to help out people? The shittiest and grossest thing one can do. Did you all know he's gambled? Like wagered money? IN AMERICA?!?!?!?!

Fsmhunk posted:

That doesn't even remotely adress anything I said. But I'll bite, I don't agree that trying to 'wring drama' out of this thread is as concerning as the potential explotation of very vulnerable people. The framing that people don't actually care about this and are just trying to start trouble isn't reflective of reality, where the only reason people care at all is the idea of someone in desperate need being at the mercy of someone who, at best, hasn't always displayed the best judgement and is extremely hostile to even the mildest inquiry or criticism is rather distressing.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

they said all of that, you're a great poster

WampaLord posted:

Many many concerns you have, yes. Much concerning.

thanks, ait

Fsmhunk posted:

That doesn't even remotely adress anything I said. But I'll bite, I don't agree that trying to 'wring drama' out of this thread is as concerning as the potential explotation of very vulnerable people. The framing that people don't actually care about this and are just trying to start trouble isn't reflective of reality, where the only reason people care at all is the idea of someone in desperate need being at the mercy of someone who, at best, hasn't always displayed the best judgement and is extremely hostile to even the mildest inquiry or criticism is rather distressing.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

The criticism of the goonfund has included disbelief that the money is actually going to people. No evidence of money sent is proof of Plinkey being a lovely person. Evidence of money sent is also proof of Plinkey being a lovely person. There's a new fund thread you can go post in if you don't like Plinkey.

Fsmhunk posted:

This is a complete copy paste job and doesn't engage with my post at all. You could have posted this in response to any critical post in this thread and it would be just as (or just as not) relevant.

VideoKid posted:

There was a total of one person who fell through the cracks that plinky apologized too. You are acting like people aren’t getting aid and that’s not the case. If you don’t like how transparent plinky is then just gently caress off to the other thread.

Fsmhunk posted:

Please quote where I said people weren't getting any money. Indeed, the premise of my post at Plinkey would REQUIRE him to at least give the posters in question money that one time, and potentially in the future. Either you didn't read my post and just assumed everyone has the exact same criticisms, or you're just creating an argument you'd rather have than trying to adress what I said in this reality.

Epic High Five posted:

You're not owed a reply. If people are telling you to gently caress off or that you're not getting it because you're arguing people are getting tricked when this is all stuff we were told explicitly would be the case before giving a penny you need to look inward for answers as to why you're not getting engagement or people are talking to you like you're a newborn baby. Stop wasting your time. Contribute to the new project if your concerns are genuine or find drama elsewhere if you're just bored.

Fsmhunk posted:

My posts did not say people were being tricked, just that Plinkey had displayed poor judgement, and he should have more tact considering what this thread is and what he does in it. Of course anyone is free to just ignore me, but I wasn't asking for a response, merely that if people WERE going to respond to me, they at least actually respond to what I said. Nothing I said in these exchanges was even remotely over the line.

Epic High Five posted:

I never said anything you said was over any line, and your opinion on how he should comport himself in his own thread he's been running for years is noted. I've pulled up notepad and written it down. Are you good now? This isn't a general chat thread, trying to keep something nobody is engaging with going isn't going to make anybody happy.

Fsmhunk posted:

No I'm not good, and I won't be until people in desperate need of finacial aid aren't at the mercy of a loving maniac and the gang of defiantly ignorant morons that populate this thread. For how outraged you all acted when people asked for even slight imrpovements, it sure does seem like you don't actually care at all. I'm sorry if as someone who has actually been in situations like this it pisses me off, but I said my peace and I'll leave you to it. I really hope I'm wrong about all of this.

Fsmhunk posted:

This is a complete copy paste job and doesn't engage with my post at all. You could have posted this in response to any critical post in this thread and it would be just as (or just as not) relevant.

Azathoth posted:

Okay, everyone who I 6ered consider yourselves on notice in this thread. It's pretty clear none of you have any interest in anything but starting poo poo in here and are just piggybacking on the calls for accountability. You've got a wholeass thread where you can discuss drama to your heart's content, post about the goonfund in there, not here.