Tulip posted:

To clarify since I think I might have miscommunicated - DSA does have cash dues, and these are generally considered noncontroversial though a few people bristle about it from time to time. It does not have labor dues, which is part of why despite DSA having like 5000 members in NYC, you end up seeing about the same 100 or so people pretty frequently.

The Lemondrop Dandy posted:

IC is good and does good work.

America Inc. posted:

It's funny how this does not seem to have changed. I'm in one of the largest DSA chapters in the country and I get the impression that there's a small core of people running everything, and there are some people putting heroic amounts of effort into the org.

It makes me a little concerned as to what happens if we lose certain members and things grind to a halt. I'm not the only person that has that concern either.

E: we are starting to do contact discussions to pull people into the org.

fermun posted:

If the International Committee is so good, then why did they get banned from Twitter after someone created hundreds of bot accounts with similar account names?

Seriously though, gently caress Twitter, how the hell is it possible to get a real account banned if you just create a ton of similar named bot accounts?

The Lemondrop Dandy posted:

It's a classic problem and the only thing to do is talking to folks and getting them more involved. This is way easier said than done. Getting more involved in labor actions and building connections though active labor organizing is my favorite way. Just attracting "activists" isn't engaging the working class, which is the whole point.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

there's activism and then there's organizing

Top City Homo posted:

The only thing that actually scares the ruling class is a general strike of longshoremen, truckers and rail workers everything else is larping

croup coughfield posted:

the ruling class gets scared by lots of things. why do you think theres so many cops

Huragok posted:

Well yeah if you break the logistics chain you break the economy

Top City Homo posted:

The easy answer is that it provides social mobility to sociopaths

The truth is that America has no civilization and no social customs that govern society

America has an atomized, alienated population in a prison called “civil society” and in a civil society you have only the law to brutalize you for dumb poo poo instead of having society self regulate in a way that for most human history came organically

Before we can get rid of cops we need to obtain civilization

croup coughfield posted:

what are you talking about

Top City Homo posted:

The easy answer is that it provides social mobility to sociopaths

The truth is that America has no civilization and no social customs that govern society

America has an atomized, alienated population in a prison called “civil society” and in a civil society you have only the law to brutalize you for dumb poo poo instead of having society self regulate in a way that for most human history came organically

Before we can get rid of cops we need to obtain civilization

comedyblissoption posted:

The Lemondrop Dandy posted:

Yeah, this is hosed and considering that our local chapter was purged from Facebook for advertising our "Stonewall was a riot" pride event last year, this is likely to be a reoccurring thing.

Social media isn't likely to be available to leftists forever. Use it while you can and build on-the-ground local networks to get power however you can.

Social media is run by billionaires and billionaires gonna billionaire and do whatever they can to crush leftists.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

danny fetonte died

Best Friends posted:

who is Danny fetonte?

fermun posted:

conventions to elect national leadership happen every 2 years, the 2017 convention was the first convention after the membership surge and fetonte was one of the pre-2016 members. fetonte had volunteered for the 2016 bernie campaign and had gotten a lot of other volunteer's contact info during that, and when trump won, he called them all up and asked them to join dsa. so he was responsible for really organizing austin dsa and was austin dsa's chair, then he campaigned for a leadership position at the convention based on that and how he had organized thousands of "state workers" and everyone thought that he had meant regular old government workers, but it turned out that fetonte worked for the union "Combined Law Enforcement Association of Texas", and that fact was only figured out after the convention, though some austin dsa members and 2015 delegates were aware, he had run for national leadership in 2015 and lost partly due to the CLEAT stuff.

everyone asked for him to resign and he put out a statement saying that he would never resign, then held a Q&A session meeting for Austin DSA, where only people he selected were allowed to ask questions. national leadership tried to figure out if they could remove him and held a vote on that, which ultimately failed, and then fetonte resigned shortly afterwards with a big gently caress you statement

Top City Homo posted:

Why would the national leadership not want a prominent member of their community in this prestigious role in the largest youth police organization on America?

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

danny fetonte died

Atrocious Joe posted:

But his legacy lives on
https://twitter.com/IolaElla/status/1588233043130683392?s=20&t=ASFl8Rg3Xk6Giz1PkchjfA

fermun posted:

conventions to elect national leadership happen every 2 years, the 2017 convention was the first convention after the membership surge and fetonte was one of the pre-2016 members. fetonte had volunteered for the 2016 bernie campaign and had gotten a lot of other volunteer's contact info during that, and when trump won, he called them all up and asked them to join dsa. so he was responsible for really organizing austin dsa and was austin dsa's chair, then he campaigned for a leadership position at the convention based on that and how he had organized thousands of "state workers" and everyone thought that he had meant regular old government workers, but it turned out that fetonte worked for the union "Combined Law Enforcement Association of Texas", and that fact was only figured out after the convention, though some austin dsa members and 2015 delegates were aware, he had run for national leadership in 2015 and lost partly due to the CLEAT stuff.

everyone asked for him to resign and he put out a statement saying that he would never resign, then held a Q&A session meeting for Austin DSA, where only people he selected were allowed to ask questions. national leadership tried to figure out if they could remove him and held a vote on that, which ultimately failed, and then fetonte resigned shortly afterwards with a big gently caress you statement

jarofpiss posted:

i think there are some lessons to be learned from his flameout and the circumstances around it. most of them have to do with how disconnected young leftists are from the realities of labor organizing in this country and how the narrative around his election was immediately established online as “dsa elected a cop”. it was very obvious after this that the vast majority of dsa young activist posters only had a vague concept of what a union is and were completely unexposed to actual organized labor in this country.

he 100% purposely obscured his CLEAT work from the people around him in DSA/Bernie/etc. he talked about CWA & TSEU but not CLEAT. i think the incompatibility of late 20th century labor organizing structures and this new leftist movement is something this whole thing exposed and imo it’s a contradiction we will have to reckon with if we ever want a mass movement in this country.

the rest of the lessons were around just how much of an angry rear end in a top hat an old union organizer can be. whatever might be said about his career path, he was a legitimately skilled organizer and i can respect that.

without danny’s involvement in 2015-16, houston dsa wouldn’t exist and i wouldnt have some of the best friends ive ever had in my life. so all things considered ive got mixed feelings about him and im sad to hear he’s dead now.


really it’s a tragedy he never learned to use the internet. rip.

PhilippAchtel posted:

This is nonsense. The conflict between police and labor is not nearly a new thing or based in the "online left" or whatever strawman you're trying to erect here.

If he purposely obscured his relationship with this police union, then even he recognized the conflict.

It's clear you have a lot of disdain for young socialists, and it's in fact that attitude that has no place in a socialist organization moving forward.

As a union officer and organizer myself, I'll stand with those kids over someone who makes common cause with the police any day of the week.

PhilippAchtel posted:

This is nonsense. The conflict between police and labor is not nearly a new thing or based in the "online left" or whatever strawman you're trying to erect here.

If he purposely obscured his relationship with this police union, then even he recognized the conflict.

It's clear you have a lot of disdain for young socialists, and it's in fact that attitude that has no place in a socialist organization moving forward.

As a union officer and organizer myself, I'll stand with those kids over someone who makes common cause with the police any day of the week.