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Tarezax posted:Grain of salt on exactly how committed they are to the stance but it seems that ad agencies are working together to demand that Twitter maintain its current content moderation policies. Given Musk's announced layoffs and such, adhering to this demand seems practically impossible, so expect more advertisers to pull out of Twitter.
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Even creepier and more hosed up when you realize how much projection goes on with these types. And I'd wager there's fewer child molesters on the street than there are in the church. Just sayin. ... Not specifically related to RWM but maybe tangental. Ever notice how the loud cop supporters ALWAYS put that Thin Blue LIne decal they like to put on their trucks right on the rear windshield of the driver's side? SUch a blatant signal to Johnny Law that "yes, officer, I AM a boot licker who hates n*****s just like you do and wish we couls shoot them on have sight." For whatever reason, it bugs me and often they're right next to the FOP sticker you get when you donate to them but I tend to see fewer of those since you have to give like $30 or something as opposed to buying the cheap blue line one made in China for $2 at a flea market. ... I also caught some more "nobody wants to work anymore bullshit" today at work and also on the radio. Then I heard a brief segment on NPR reporting the worker productivity index and, god drat, am I really really loving tired of this mantra that American workers are lazy and are responsible for inflation right now. I'm to the point where when I hear it, I just automatically say "bullshit" no matter where I am. RWM really likes to drive the point home that essentially amounts to "poor people took all the money and sit on their asses all day buying lobsters with food stamps" when the reality is demonstrably the exact opposite and becoming more so every year. Why do people beleive that poo poo?
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Groovelord Neato posted:Aother insane thing they've latched on to (and Trump himself repeated because he is one of the these people) is the broken glass in the picture of their door being on the outside like glass all falls inside when you break a window. Double post but my god this. And it's being parotted on mainstream RW news networks. Motherfuckers, have you ever seen a car with its window busted out because of a break in or any other reason? Because I have and there's plenty of glass on the street outside the vehicle.
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BiggerBoat posted:Even creepier and more hosed up when you realize how much projection goes on with these types. And I'd wager there's fewer child molesters on the street than there are in the church. Just sayin. To address some of your points: -They are trying to get ahead of the molesters in church angle by redirecting it against public schools. I've seen some dubious claims that child molestation is much more rampant in public school vs churches. They'll heavily signal boost any instances of teacher misconduct. Libsoftiktok was particular for putting teachers on blast; if a teacher espoused leftist or more so LGBT friendly attitudes and later was charged with molestation Chaya was on it like stink on poo poo. -With the bumper sticker thing, conservatives are really into performative acts and aesthetics. It's not enough to have conservative beliefs, they have to shout it from the rooftops. I think another aspect is this projection they exhibit; note how they are really critical of unusual hair colors, styles or tattoos? They'll often assume people that dress outlandishly are narcisst attention seekers. The reality is that conservatives themselves are like this and just projecting because they have a dilemma-they want to seem like rebels blazing their own trail, they want people to SEE this, but they are huge conformists as well. So they struggle with their own individuality, and when they see someone starkly different than them they assume that person is acting that way for the same reason, and simply attribute the nonconformativity of their out group as a form of degeneracy. This is also why I find their contempt for modern art so hilarious. They are constantly doing this edge lord stuff to own the libs and get a reaction out of other people yet they cannot accept that art can be anything that illicits a feeling. "Piss christ isn't art! It's degenerate trash!" and yet that reaction is exactly why it IS a form of art. After all, they do that all the time.
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Panfilo posted:To address some of your points: All very true but regarding the Thin Blue Line decals specifically, what I meant was they place them RIGHT THERE where a cop can see it in the event they are pulled over and approached by an officer. Always on the driver side rear windshield. Gee, I wonder why? Also, as far as "getting ahead of the molesters in church" angle, hasn't that ship loving sailed halfway across the ocean? I think maybe "deflect" would be a better word. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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BiggerBoat posted:RWM really likes to drive the point home that essentially amounts to "poor people took all the money and sit on their asses all day buying lobsters with food stamps" when the reality is demonstrably the exact opposite and becoming more so every year. It's protective. By believing that, they can avoid facing something they don't want to admit or even consciously acknowledge: late stage capitalism is ruining almost all of us and everything we were taught about work and the economy and how productivity leads to success is a load that capital uses to keep extracting value from our collective labor. Or, as that one guy once said: The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, CRIMESTOP. CRIMESTOP means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. CRIMESTOP, in short, means protective stupidity.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's protective. By believing that, they can avoid facing something they don't want to admit or even consciously acknowledge: late stage capitalism is ruining almost all of us and everything we were taught about work and the economy and how productivity leads to success is a load that capital uses to keep extracting value from our collective labor. I didn't understand the second paragraph of that but, my god, in respone to the first one: they're loving LIVING IT and seeing it. And it's it really not as simple as a blanket "rich people all worked hard for their money" because I hear these same folks talk about how much money musicians, actors and ESPECIALLY pro athletes make, as if those people don't work hard or that they're not examples of capitalism. To say nothing of people like Trump and his ilk who were born on third base and they all cheer him for hitting a triple or how Mike Lindell is a business genius (maybe he is, actually).
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BiggerBoat posted:I didn't understand the second paragraph of that but, my god, in respone to the first one: they're loving LIVING IT and seeing it. And it's it really not as simple as a blanket "rich people all worked hard for their money" because I hear these same folks talk about how much money musicians, actors and ESPECIALLY pro athletes make, as if those people don't work hard or that they're not examples of capitalism. To say nothing of people like Trump and his ilk who were born on third base and they all cheer him for hitting a triple or how Mike Lindell is a business genius (maybe he is, actually). It's from 1984. Orwell describes a powerful aspect of Newspeak being an indoctrinated principle called crimestop (as practicing it will prevent commission of thoughtcrime). The thing is that they learn to instinctively avoid seeing unpleasant/ideologically dangerous things and rationalizing excuses and justifications for the underlying ideology regardless of how blatant evidence to the contrary stares one in the face. In your instance, I think it entirely appropriate as any rational and sober reflection would lead one to conclude that, no, there aren't tons of lazy poors sponging off the welfare that totally still exists and wasn't gutted in the early 90s. Doing so, however, would require therefore one to continue on that thought line and arrive at the conclusion that what they and we were all taught from basically childhood, that capitalism is equitable, meritocracy exists, and hard work is always rewarded, was at best wrong and at worst a deliberate attempt to mask global-scale theft by the rich from literally everyone else. Rather than inflict that identity crisis on themselves, they instead stop short. If the system isn't working for them, it can't be that it was never meant to, but rather some other, undeserving sorts have soaked up all the money.
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BiggerBoat posted:All very true but regarding the Thin Blue Line decals specifically, what I meant was they place them RIGHT THERE where a cop can see it in the event they are pulled over and approached by an officer. Always on the driver side rear windshield. With the molestation claims they'll try to contrast that school molestation is a much bigger deal. After all, kids spend 5 days a week, 6 hours a day in school. This serves several functions. 1. It erodes trust in the public school system, to push lawmakers and voters toward school vouchers so that progressively more families can "opt out" of the public education system. 2. It attempts to dismantle teachers unions, but even more broadly public servant unions in general (except cop unions lol). Teacher unions are portrayed as this evil agency that protects child molestors from being disciplined. If public schools are where molestation happens then unions are where it is defended. 3. It serves as a chilling effect for any vaguely leftist teacher. The internet has been a very powerful tool of the right. Every. Single. Teacher, who made a Tiktok video about how trans people deserve to exist with dignity then later were revealed to be a sex offender is repeatedly blasted over and over. Some lefty teacher gets busted molesting kids in Anytown Elementary? Not only will their face be all over the internet, but the same right wingers will drag it back out the SECOND anything controversial happens there later on. So if there's a school board meeting about "CRT" type curriculum, you'll have a bunch of angry loud assholes from out of the county with poster sized mugshots of that teacher screaming about how this curriculum is promoted by groomers.
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The Democrats and left-of-Fox media are the opposite of interested in holding the powerful to account and harbor major creeps of their own. But man, I can’t help but think they really fumbled the ball on painting the other guys as a danger to kids. Why isn’t every Democrat talking about the Arizona candidate caught masturbating in front of a preschool, or Trump’s Epstein connections, or Roger Ailes trying to reenact the lyrics of a Cannibal Corpse song on his employees and teenage girls while his army of smirking ghouls watched. If the right can make hay about fake litter boxes, the Dems should be able to make real hay about the extremely real mobs and bomb threats against schools and children’s hospitals. It would devolve into a “No, you!” shouting match between two parties lead by actual rapists, but that’s gotta be better than the weak poo poo we’re getting.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's from 1984. Orwell describes a powerful aspect of Newspeak being an indoctrinated principle called crimestop (as practicing it will prevent commission of thoughtcrime). The thing is that they learn to instinctively avoid seeing unpleasant/ideologically dangerous things and rationalizing excuses and justifications for the underlying ideology regardless of how blatant evidence to the contrary stares one in the face. In your instance, I think it entirely appropriate as any rational and sober reflection would lead one to conclude that, no, there aren't tons of lazy poors sponging off the welfare that totally still exists and wasn't gutted in the early 90s. Doing so, however, would require therefore one to continue on that thought line and arrive at the conclusion that what they and we were all taught from basically childhood, that capitalism is equitable, meritocracy exists, and hard work is always rewarded, was at best wrong and at worst a deliberate attempt to mask global-scale theft by the rich from literally everyone else. I once saw a Samantha Bee segment where she was interviewing a conservative  wunderkind and his mom at CPAC. Kid couldn't been older then twelve. The kid was parroting conservative talking points; Bee asks him about an obvious contradiction in what he just said. Kid stops, says, "that's a good question" and wrinkles his brow up in thought for a second.You can tell the question genuinely made him think.Mom clocks this and quickly steps in with a pseudo-racist conservative platitude. His brow unknots, his face relaxes and he responds with something like 'Yeah, that's right." Interview continues. As a teacher, it was the single most viscerally disturbing thing I have ever seen on TV 
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BiggerBoat posted:RWM really likes to drive the point home that essentially amounts to "poor people took all the money and sit on their asses all day buying lobsters with food stamps" when the reality is demonstrably the exact opposite and becoming more so every year. Because the right has successfully pushed the idea that anyone who criticizes a rich rear end in a top hat is just jealous and guilty of class warfare, which is communist/leftist (unless the rich person themselves is even the slightest bit liberal, in which case it's fine to attack them). Since they can't attack the actual people response, they have to attack the poor and powerless, and it's easy to do that for a few reasons. The first is that if they can find even a single example of something happening, they will insist it is happening everywhere, all the time, and is always successful. There have in fact been a rare handful of cases of in person voter fraud, where someone attempts to vote under someone else's name or at multiple polling places. So this means in person voter fraud is happening everywhere, at every polling place, in massive numbers, and that's why we need voter ID. Or a teacher somewhere who was pro LGBT later gets caught touching kids. This means all pro LGBT teachers, everywhere, are trying to molest your kids. And so the same is true of welfare fraud. Welfare fraud exists, people have done it. But by claiming massive amounts of people are defrauding the system in enormous amounts of numbers, they can spin the problem as all these people stealing money from you, personally, through taxes. You worked hard for that money, and now all these people are taking advantage of you. Don't you feel like a sucker? Doesn't it make you angry you're working hard and they're just taking your money doing nothing? No, don't look at what rich people are doing, that's what leftists do, you aren't a leftist are you? And the pandemic and the pathetic "lockdowns" we had in the US were this on a grand scale, especially since right wingers always believed it's just the flu and there's no reason to shut down anything, but places are closed and people are getting enhanced unemployment benefits for no reason which is clearly wrecking our economy. Panfilo posted:They are trying to get ahead of the molesters in church angle by redirecting it against public schools. I've seen some dubious claims that child molestation is much more rampant in public school vs churches. You'll also notice that all the major stories about molesters in church are almost all from the Catholic church. While evangelicals are happy to pat Catholics on the back and welcome them in as allies in the fight against gay marriage and abortion and woke leftism, they also really hate Catholics. Especially when the current Pope, as many problems as he has, has at the very least been very pro immigrant and they hate that poo poo. There could be reasons why child molesting is more common in the Catholic church than Protestant ones, but I don't know if it's as much of a disparity between them as the big stories seem to indicate. So as long as the Catholics are the ones taking the most heat for child molestation, evangelicals are pretty happy with that, since it still paints Catholics as an evil satanic cult to keep people away from them while also knowing the Catholics will completely side with them in every bit of the culture wars. Panfilo posted:This is also why I find their contempt for modern art so hilarious. They are constantly doing this edge lord stuff to own the libs and get a reaction out of other people yet they cannot accept that art can be anything that illicits a feeling. "Piss christ isn't art! It's degenerate trash!" and yet that reaction is exactly why it IS a form of art. After all, they do that all the time. This ties into a conservative belief that there are only a handful of ways to appropriately express yourself, and modern art is not an appropriate way. Same as with trans people, it's not appropriate for someone AMAB to express themselves as a woman or nonbinary.
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Twelve by Pies posted:You'll also notice that all the major stories about molesters in church are almost all from the Catholic church. While evangelicals are happy to pat Catholics on the back and welcome them in as allies in the fight against gay marriage and abortion and woke leftism, they also really hate Catholics. Especially when the current Pope, as many problems as he has, has at the very least been very pro immigrant and they hate that poo poo.
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On the protestant end, I can believe that narcissistic abusers are 100% drawn to roles that give them power over others that they can use to rape kids and then cover it up. It just plays differently in the public imagination when it’s the local pastor telling the kid’s mom that they’re making things up and then getting his buddy the sheriff to get her put away in juvie for a while to keep things quiet.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Been commuting with a dude at work the past few weeks. Didn’t think he was a chud, and still don’t (though I’m less certain now), but he always has on some lovely talk radio where in the morning it’s kind of moderated right wing bullshit, but in the afternoon, Hoo boy. you have an opportunity to open a pretty good dialogue. I don't really know your situation with this guy but maybe this is your foot in the door for shooting down some of these right wing talking points....I mean lies.
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Someone mentioned voter ID and this is a werid one to me. Decades ago when I registered to vote, I had to provide my license, proof of address, full name, signature, party affiliation and the whole nine. I get an official card confirming I have done all this with the state/county/whatever and then I show that at the polling place and use it to vote. Except now, the polling locations never ask for it and tell me they don't need it when I produce it. Why? Point being: we already have/had voter ID and we stopped using it for some reason. What's this loving card for?
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BiggerBoat posted:Someone mentioned voter ID and this is a werid one to me. Its something to chip away at the perception of election security. Framing it your way would mean people would be like, ok yeah our elections are probably fine. Framing it their way means they get to sow doubt and dog whistle to appease/rile up their 'base' that would really like to go back to only white men can vote(excluding that land owner part obv). It's a way to get into people's heads and get a anger/dopamine response to reinforce their ideals with slippery logic.
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Sekhmnet posted:Its something to chip away at the perception of election security. Framing it your way would mean people would be like, ok yeah our elections are probably fine. Framing it their way means they get to sow doubt and dog whistle to appease/rile up their 'base' that would really like to go back to only white men can vote(excluding that land owner part obv). It's a way to get into people's heads and get a anger/dopamine response to reinforce their ideals with slippery logic. And as soon as the system of voter identification requirements exist, power hungry, bigoted, and power hungry and bigoted people immediately weaponize it against minorities and for their own benefit. On paper next to a perfectly spherical cow on a frictionless plane in a pure vacuum, yeah, the idea of voter identification requirements is not a bad one. Not a necessary one, but not a bad one in that environment. Out in reality it's a terrible god drat idea because people suck and will destroy others with it.
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Molestation thrives in highly centralized organizations because there are more positions of authority that have the means to bury it or protect abusers. The molestation that happens at your typical Protestant Snake Juggler church will always get dismissed as an isolated incident, since there's not some religious authority above them that is in a position to facilitate it. See also Boy Scouts of America vs more local organizations as well. This is why they can zero in on public schools being a problem. There are federal standards for public schools, there are teacher's unions, there are lots of wide reaching boogeymen they can point to about this. Think about the current news cycles right now. What do you hear more of, Sunday school teachers molesting kids or woke public school teachers molesting kids?
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bird food bathtub posted:And as soon as the system of voter identification requirements exist, power hungry, bigoted, and power hungry and bigoted people immediately weaponize it against minorities and for their own benefit. On paper next to a perfectly spherical cow on a frictionless plane in a pure vacuum, yeah, the idea of voter identification requirements is not a bad one. Not a necessary one, but not a bad one in that environment. Out in reality it's a terrible god drat idea because people suck and will destroy others with it. It's still weird though. Like getting a bank card after I fill out all the forms and open an account but then have to present my drivers license to withdraw money. Or a library not accepting or needing my library card. I don't know what my voter registration card DOES or why I even have one.
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Panfilo posted:I've been seeing a pattern with another behavior of right wingers-crusading against pedophilia. This is what i saw when I had facebook, and what I've heard from coworkers or at the bar. The desire to so completely otherwise/dehumanize individuals or groups is strong. It's an excuse for calls of violence and death and even torture. I've literally done the "I'm not a pedophile, but..." in attempts to explain to folks that setting up people as a target of acceptable brutality and inhumanity is hosed up. In all seriousness, if a time comes to fight and kill, convincing yourself that your foe is not even human is a stupid cowardly cop out. And as things continue to deteriorate and violence escalates, people (actual pedophiles or not) will be subject to essentially lynch mob energy. These craven (typically white right wing) bullies, empowered by their protected status, will absolutely continue to predictably widen their crosshairs to any other groups they can, and we've seen how easily they conflate pedophilia with lgbtq. I might be leaning into slippery slope territory, but the above phenomenon is why I stopped embracing gun control as a priority, in rhetoric or policy. I have friends and family who fall under lgbtq in various ways, and (though they're not "gun people" and neither am I) I wouldn't begrudge them or any minority of any kind getting a weapon and learning to use it at this point. Simply being right/correct is not a position of strength, the enemy is willing to fight and commit violence. I'm not advocating some ridiculous arms race, better to learn to grow food than learn to kill, but all the same we can't ignore the fact that armed violent bigots are being increasingly empowered and radicalized.
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BRJurgis posted:This is what i saw when I had facebook, and what I've heard from coworkers or at the bar. The desire to so completely otherwise/dehumanize individuals or groups is strong. It's an excuse for calls of violence and death and even torture. I've literally done the "I'm not a pedophile, but..." in attempts to explain to folks that setting up people as a target of acceptable brutality and inhumanity is hosed up. You also have other real life examples like the girl raped by some HS football players who pretty much got run out of town due to people worried that their team would suffer if the accusations were validated. Where were these anti pedo lynch mobs then?
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Panfilo posted:You also have other real life examples like the girl raped by some HS football players who pretty much got run out of town due to people worried that their team would suffer if the accusations were validated. Where were these anti pedo lynch mobs then? Also: Matt Gaetz.
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bird food bathtub posted:And as soon as the system of voter identification requirements exist, power hungry, bigoted, and power hungry and bigoted people immediately weaponize it against minorities and for their own benefit. On paper next to a perfectly spherical cow on a frictionless plane in a pure vacuum, yeah, the idea of voter identification requirements is not a bad one. Not a necessary one, but not a bad one in that environment. Out in reality it's a terrible god drat idea because people suck and will destroy others with it. Yeah that's part of the right wing strategy is once you tie the right to vote to a piece of paper, now you can make it as hard as possible for minorities to get that piece of paper. Remember the story about the one area that had a DMV that was only open on like the third Wednesday of the month from 11 to 3 or whatever. There's also a barrier to entry even if you can get to the DMV. My cousin's wife lost a lot of her legal documents when she severed ties with her abusive family. It is essentially impossible to get a driver's license, a Social Security card, or a birth certificate if you don't already have two of those three things, as she quickly found out. Which also goes nicely with GOP legislatures closing polling places to make them further away and more inconvenient to get to, as well as fewer polling places meaning there's longer lines at them which also depresses turnout. Panfilo posted:Phrasing your rebuttal as "I'm not a pedophile but..."is a losing proposition since it's playing right into their game. They make an accusation and in contesting it you come off as condoning the other behavior. I think it's probably more effective to center your opinions around the victims themselves. Yeah especially since "I'm not a racist, but" is well known in internet circles to mean "I am about to say something incredibly racist," so phrasing the rebuttal that way carries the same energy.
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Panfilo posted:Phrasing your rebuttal as "I'm not a pedophile but..."is a losing proposition since it's playing right into their game. They make an accusation and in contesting it you come off as condoning the other behavior. I think it's probably more effective to center your opinions around the victims themselves. Of course it's probably bad faith opinions all the way down with them-look at how inconsistent they are about validating accusations against people like Kavanaugh vs Biden. Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah especially since "I'm not a racist, but" is well known in internet circles to mean "I am about to say something incredibly racist," so phrasing the rebuttal that way carries the same energy. I guess I shouldn't have said "literally" (though I'm sure I have literally said that to the initiated when discussing this very topic). I phrased it that way because of the notoriety of the term (think it was the lolbertarian thread title for awhile). People usually recognize the simmering tendency for other-izing and brutality (in others at least lol), and even if I don't move the needle on the individual in question I can usually win a majority of present parties. I guess I make my best posts face to face.
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Panfilo posted:Phrasing your rebuttal as "I'm not a pedophile but..."is a losing proposition since it's playing right into their game. They make an accusation and in contesting it you come off as condoning the other behavior. Agreed. It's like coming to the defense of gay people by prefacing it with "I'm not gay..." as a qualifier. Because it doesn't matter if you are or not. I grew up with that poo poo in the 80's and, for the record, I'm bi but that's all irrelevant to the conversation at hand and was back then too. You don't have to qualify the opinion that racism, homophobia, etc are hosed up and should be stomped out immediately for the increasingly unacceptable trait of having empathy for others. I may have posted in this thread about this lovely thing that happened 20 miles north of me where nazis projected anti jewish messages onto buildings and hung banners over highway overpasses. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/...st/10644279002/ I heard an update this morning where the cops found them and then apologized to them for taking up their time, which is bad enough, but (thread related) what stood out from the report was that they call themselves the National Socialist Front or something similar and the very FIRST THING I thought of was "That's it. Says right there in the name "socialist" ergo they are liberal democrats and that's it how it will be spun in RWM". I haven't checked to see if I am right but I am 100% positive that I am and that RWM reporting will use that to reinforce the detached idea that American Nazis are actually far left radicals and equate that vernacular with Hitler, etc. ... Got a nice new Soros blast today too and it only took 5 seconds of scanning the radio. All of the rampant crime ridden cities that are sweeping the nation are run by Democrats who are apparently "all Soros funded". Every time I forget that name hasn't been brought up in a while, the poo poo I monitor from time to time is right there to remind me that He is Behind Everything. Dude loving gets around. Scary part is, since I know how synergistic RWM messaging is, in a roundabout way, this is a not so subtle way of framing the people I wrote about above as Patriots. And I KNOW this is intentional. The dissemination of daily talking points that get broadcast on these blowtorch stations is absolutely coordinated and sent out every day to these "media outlets". I give it until Monday before these idiots are claiming that the Overpass Nazis are Antifa Soros Super Soldiers. I am not even joking. I have it on good authority that Soros is Jewish ... Meanwhile, I heard today that The Great Free State of Florida has become one of the most expensive states (if not THE most expensive) to live in. But MAGA's tout it as a model of what America should be. I haven;t fact checked this claim but A LOT of NY/NJ/PA people are moving here because they think that no state taxes = better without realizing that wages here loving suck, property taxes and home insurance are thru the loving roof (if you can even get it), housing is unaffordable and, if you're looking to flee crime, then I have some bad loving news for you. Sorry about  Just needed to get that poo poo off my chest.
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The increasing costs in Florida are attributed to: -Exiles from California coming to Florida and no doubt voting for the same people that ruined California because, you know, the people that despise living in California just can't help making GBS threads all over anything we touch that we wanna leave our safe spaces and immigrate into a place explicitly hostile to our noodle armed communism. -Inflation, which itself is blamed on all the handouts from the government. If it weren't for all that welfare, housing costs wouldn't be through the roof!
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Elon Musk is on about this:quote:Elon Musk revealed Friday that there had been a massive drop in Twitter revenue thanks to advertisers fleeing the company, which he blamed on unnamed "activists" who are "trying to destroy free speech in America." https://www.vice.com/en/article/93a8jd/elon-musk-companies-choosing-not-to-buy-ads-with-me-is-killing-free-speech And RWM was covering it in a similar way this week. Weird. I thought conservatives just absolutely LOVED the free market? Wonder what's different about this?
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Nov 5, 2022 15:15
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BiggerBoat posted:Agreed. It's like coming to the defense of gay people by prefacing it with "I'm not gay..." as a qualifier. Because it doesn't matter if you are or not. I grew up with that poo poo in the 80's and, for the record, I'm bi but that's all irrelevant to the conversation at hand and was back then too. You don't have to qualify the opinion that racism, homophobia, etc are hosed up and should be stomped out immediately for the increasingly unacceptable trait of having empathy for others. I know this is past being about my interactions, but I think it's important to point something out. I'm a tall straight white dude with a beard, often in coveralls covered in grease dirt and woodchips. They think they're right, and they think I'm their friend and that I agree with them. I'm not gonna say "gently caress you I don't talk to people like you" if I can help it, I'll let them do that. And I can be on my leftist soapbox the entire time until that happens and yes I keep delusionally telling myself it achieves something. An articulate and passionate (if I can say that of myself) rebuke to hateful bullshit may not change the mind of crusty jim the angry bigot (who will likely get defensive and double down), but what about people listening to that exchange?
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Nov 5, 2022 16:10
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Which connects to something else I feel strongly about- While I totally understand people are going to put their sanity above discourse, throwing your hands up in the air about it just kind of cedes ground to chud opinions. Like I noticed Facebook is very echo chamber-y; a person with super right wing views will get tons of attaboys and back pats and virtually no pushback. This is a huge shame, because my experience has been that those folks were typically incredibly thin skinned when they got the tiniest amount of clapback. And the best part is that they have all the power in the world to curate their echo chambers; they can block libs from their discussions, make groups invite only, etc. But they don't, they make public posts and just get histrionic if anyone disagrees. So there's a huge shame that the actual disagreement actually happens. Where's the leftist "goon rush" when these chuds run their mouth? It's a lot more effective than people realize, and it's largely in part because chuds take for granted the notion that silence is tacit support. The reason I spent more time arguing with chuds on Twitter was specifically because I saw a lot more back and forth in this regard. There's a critical mass I think to these online debates; if you see nobody or just one person arguing with 100 chuds people are reluctant to possibly make themselves the target of so many insane people. But if you see a decent number of people mocking them then it gets easier to join in on the dogpile. The key though is that it takes at least some surly and uninhibited leftists to spark that kindling to get it going, and I lament that very few have the mental energy to build up the momentum needed. It's also why I think it's really stupid to make a big fuss about "I'm quitting [ social media site/forum] and never coming back!". You're throwing in the towel publicly to the very worst people online and it indirectly empowers them. If you don't want to waste the time or headspace on this dumb poo poo that's totally legit but don't let them in on it. Because it gives them the keys to the kingdom figuratively-by allowing them the means to drive out leftists in other spaces. If I hang out at a bar, but start to get tired that people will pull a knife on me for defending trans patrons, I'm not going to loudly say "I can't handle going to this bar because transphobes keep threatening to stab me. It's not fun anymore!" every rear end in a top hat in the place knows that they just have to flick out a pen knife to scare off anyone 'undesirable'.
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Nov 5, 2022 17:36
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I got banned from twitter for making fun of a nazi, and I'm very glad about it.
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Nov 5, 2022 17:50
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Make more alts and make fun of more Nazis.
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Nov 5, 2022 17:51
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No disagreements but I've had so little success or engagement with Facebook (never got on twitter), I had to give it up. You do find out who people are when they speak freely, empowered by the keyboard. But it didn't make me feel great to find out how many people are twisted up and captured, or that people who seemed to be allies didn't care or agree nearly as much as I'd hoped. This format is way more my speed, moderation that allows a dialogue. In fact I'm becoming a real ludite about social media and even smart phones, there's probably academia on it but I call it "self as a brand" and the implied (and even necessary for jobs or dating) engagement is alienating and alarming. Not to mention I fear it being an even more pervasive and encompassing tool of controlling people en masse (think less illuminati and more natural inertia of capitalism). There's always been propaganda, but our engagement with these largely unanswerable corporations and services seems something larger and scarier. Meanwhile these (for profit) entities become ever more integral to being able to thrive/survive in our society. Edit: for example how might mass social media engagement be used to help foster and direct division (as in "divide and conquer") In short, people don't talk to me face to face the way they do online. Course I haven't been badly beaten or stabbed yet :V
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Nov 5, 2022 18:11
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Personally, I think anyone with right leaning beliefs is just a lost cause. Try to use facts or data? Those are obviously just liberal lies. These people love anecdotes, nothing like a good story to reinforce their belief that they can see the truth with their own eyes right in front of them. You can even convince them of the merits of a progressive policy but they will immediately turn hostile once they found out it's from a Democrat. These people are maliciously ignorant and trying to overcome decades of marinating in rightwing conspiracies and echo chambers is a futile effort, I've given up trying to engage these people. I'm originally from the South and it's depressing finding out so many people I grew up around have abhorrent opinions but I've accepted that no amount of debate will change anyone's mind. If they haven't changed their minds on what the GOP stands for in 2022, they never will.
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Nov 5, 2022 18:28
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It's not so much about trying to reason people out of beliefs they didn't reason themselves into, but rather denying them the opportunity of a bully pulpit. These chuds can get a lot of idiot momentum by the "pick your battles" folks with neither the time or energy to clap back. Then you have credulous younger folks who see these echo chambers where everyone is agreeing and praising each other for beliefs considered "common sense", and they can choose to either be the only voice of dissent or part of what seems like the "winning side" of the discourse.
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Nov 5, 2022 18:35
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I don’t think it’s entirely accurate to pathologize conservatism as a feature of personality, given how mass media controls discourse and establishes consensus, but reactionaries really seem to have a different psychology than I do. It’s not just their preferences or values, but seeking out media that they know will anger them and enjoying the experience of being angry is so alien to me. I get that once people start consuming this stuff they go deeper and deeper, but I can’t imagine getting anything out of a show where a guy at a desk tells me about how I must hate my enemies.
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Nov 5, 2022 19:10
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My thoughts on this vary with my optimism/cynicism/anger/dejectedness and on a daily basis due to whatever interactions I might have. So I admit to some inconsistency on "what works" or "what's possible". On the subject of who is a "lost cause", I guess first most I feel like we should always target the systems not the individual. People are so easily moulded into who they are by natural and controlled factors, it seems important to not surrender to making your neighbor the enemy, rather than the forces that made them that way (and are making more like them). Hell, many people here can see how they may have ended up a libertarian or other weird internet incel poo poo. That leads me into my next point, I'm not religious but we should probably also try to commit to the idea that people can change and grow. Redemption and forgiveness. If you're disgusted by the republican attack ads claiming the democrats simply don't hurt criminals enough, you probably get what I mean. We're chomping at the bit to say so and so is the problem, and before you know they're inhuman caricatures, the real enemy of the future and a convienant tool to divide and distract through fear. Plenty of people who harbor what we here would rightly see as red flags aren't avowed hateful chuds, they've just been moulded by the power of their surroundings. Like, by all means dunk on nazis on the internet, but in regular real life interactions screaming that somebody's a nazi (or other sub bigotries) might be dangerous, and will likely make you look crazy unless they're waving a swastika or something. It can't move the needle, it's not intended to. That's the kind of discourse I see from Facebook (and what I've seen of Twitter). Finally, I speak pretty grimly about the future... I feel we need to at least be prepared (and at worst fully expect) to meet violence with violence in my lifetime. I am very open about it with everybody. If I'm telling people there may come a day where the other guys get not words but violence, I'd drat well better be ready to talk it out with people in my community first. It's the least I can do, and is about mutual self preservation and results, not just my identity and legacy as somebody who had the correct opinions. Not a dig on anybody here.
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Nov 5, 2022 19:11
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