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It sucks because I'm not completely happy with the 3080 10G's perf on 3440x1440, and I love RT.
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uh oh https://twitter.com/Buildzoid1/status/1588467961895194625
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Nov 4, 2022 12:56
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I was thinking the power connector mess would just be a bad look but not a major issue for NV. Now I'm starting to wonder if they might actually have to do a recall before someone's house burns down. At least the transient load requirements for ATX 3 PSU's will be useful still but that 12VHPWR connector might have to go.
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Nov 4, 2022 13:10
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ijyt posted:It sucks because I'm not completely happy with the 3080 10G's perf on 3440x1440, and I love RT. drat it. I got a 4k 120hz monitor for cheap, I thought the 3080 would be good enough…. But with more AMD price cuts, it seems like the 6900XT is affordable
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Nov 4, 2022 13:28
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This is certainly a problem for Nvidia but if the standard itself ends up being hosed that is wild. I’ve been trying to get a 4090 since I assumed the native connector would be fine but gonna go ahead and hold off for a bit now.
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Nov 4, 2022 13:43
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one weird thing is there still hasn't been a single report of an FE card melting coincidence, or does nvidia know something AIBs don't?
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Nov 4, 2022 14:44
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That's not good. The other thing that was pointed out before was that the 8 pin power connectors could handle 300w each but are only tasked with 150w to provide a wide safety margin, while the new power connector could handle ~680w but is being used at 450w to 600w, which is a much lower safety margin. I think that in the end it's just going to be down to manufacture tolerance, slight user errors, and any other little things that add up to make it easy to melt a cable because the margin for error has been removed. When you have a high resistance connection it heats up, but it also causes more power to flow through the other terminals that managed to make a connection. I think the real solution is to just have more pins so there is a fall back for the amount of power trying to go through if there are one or two bad connections.
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Nov 4, 2022 14:49
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how much longer is nvidia going to let this drag out before doing something we're coming up on two weeks since the cards started melting
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Nov 4, 2022 15:25
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Did EVGA know about the melting beforehand? Lol.
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Nov 4, 2022 15:38
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teagone posted:Did EVGA know about the melting beforehand? Lol. Can you imagine the smudgeness that is emanating from the EVGA team right now?
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Hughmoris posted:Can you imagine the smudgeness that is emanating from the EVGA team right now? I'm sure Asus is crying into all the money they made selling $1,500+ graphic cards.
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Nov 4, 2022 15:46
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lih posted:yeah nvidia's pricing is so egregious that it means that amd can get away with what would actually look pretty bad normally (& there's no way they'd be trying it if nvidia weren't far more ridiculous right now) If that’s true then the AIB’s including 3 power ports and these massive heat sinks may indicate the OC potential is pretty large. You’ll be back to sucking down as much power as a 4090. Will be interesting to see performance numbers.
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Nov 4, 2022 15:49
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Lockback posted:I'm sure Asus is crying into all the money they made selling $1,500+ graphic cards. considering AIBs using 12VHPWR was a mandate from nvidia it would be an incredible dick move if nvidia made AIBs eat the loss on sorting this mess out
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Nov 4, 2022 15:52
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IT must be this TSMC node that loves the juice.
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Nov 4, 2022 15:52
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teagone posted:Did EVGA know about the melting beforehand? Lol. I'm sure it was just nvidia screwing over AIBs combined with the evga CEO having a grudge and burning bridges (  )
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Nov 4, 2022 15:52
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Lockback posted:I'm sure Asus is crying into all the money they made selling $1,500+ graphic cards. if what evga said is to be believed, that pile is pretty small
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Nov 4, 2022 15:53
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xgalaxy posted:If that’s true then the AIB’s including 3 power ports and these massive heat sinks may indicate the OC potential is pretty large. Its a cost savings measure basically. Should be great for keeping them cool and quiet but its not really a indicator of OC-ability. Given the stock 300W+ TDP's with a 5/6nm chips I wouldn't go expecting big OC's out of them either. They aren't flogging them as hard as NV is its dies but they're clearly pushing on them to hit those clocks at stock. Maybe 10% or so OC with another 100-150W of power would be my guess.
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Nov 4, 2022 15:56
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How much of this if it turns out to be a major problem will fall on the AIB producers versus NVidia? Just out of curiosity. Edit: of course this was answered while I was typing. I managed to pay for a 4090 yesterday complete with the order confirmation screen only to get an email saying "JK LOL hope you didn't need that money for 3-5 business days!" But at least there's less of a chance of my house burning down!
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Nov 4, 2022 15:56
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lih posted:yeah nvidia's pricing is so egregious that it means that amd can get away with what would actually look pretty bad normally (& there's no way they'd be trying it if nvidia weren't far more ridiculous right now)
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Nov 4, 2022 15:58
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just remembered that they already put angled 12pin connectors on 30-series cards to facilitate cable routing without putting hard bends in the cable why didn't they do that again for the 40 series 
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Nov 4, 2022 15:58
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kliras posted:sounds like an embargo screw-up, but i also think amd is just really averse to promoting best-case clocks after the ryzen mess, and having media claim it for you is a good way around that i guess
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Nov 4, 2022 16:11
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repiv posted:just remembered that they already put angled 12pin connectors on 30-series cards to facilitate cable routing without putting hard bends in the cable I’m still salty that these are in the middle of the card and not at the end because of the pass through cooler. It’s made cable routing in my mini ITX case way more difficult than it should be
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Nov 4, 2022 16:11
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Arivia posted:if what evga said is to be believed, that pile is pretty small Maybe, but while the 4090 release isn't crypto-mining time levels of success I would be shocked if it wasn't generally a successful launch all around. I think the lower tier stuff will be a different story, but the 4090 seems like it's doing well for being a halo launch. I don't think we'll see a recall, that seems crazy. I do think we'll see new adapters sent out to people, but I've had similar things happen in the past with the additional chip heatsinks and whatnot. I don't think that's a huge deal.
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Nov 4, 2022 16:27
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Lockback posted:Maybe, but while the 4090 release isn't crypto-mining time levels of success I would be shocked if it wasn't generally a successful launch all around. I think the lower tier stuff will be a different story, but the 4090 seems like it's doing well for being a halo launch. I wonder how much of the 4090's success is also down to the crypto poo poo? Anecdotally it feels like a fair number of the people I've seen getting them are justifying the extra cost because they waited out the 30x series entirely due to crypto making everything bonkers. There might be a temporarily higher demand for halo products.
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Nov 4, 2022 16:31
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Cyrano4747 posted:I wonder how much of the 4090's success is also down to the crypto poo poo? Anecdotally it feels like a fair number of the people I've seen getting them are justifying the extra cost because they waited out the 30x series entirely due to crypto making everything bonkers. There might be a temporarily higher demand for halo products. Oh for sure. I think it's also a good timing. Pent-up demand + a legit performance increase that's getting unusual in enthusiast computing + high prices being normalized for a lot of people. Good for Nvidia! I just think while EVGA might still be perfectly fine with their decision, I don't think other AIBs are exactly regretting staying in.
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He's saying it's successful in spite of the lack of crypto demand. GPU mining is dead since Ethereum went POW. Mining with a 4090 would be net negative and will stay that way unless some random POW altcoin that happens to be GPU-minable moonshots in value. That probably isn't going to happen.
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Lockback posted:I don't think that's a huge deal. Selling a product that is a fire risk is a major no-no and could indeed result in a recall and lawsuits on top of that if someone's house gets burnt down. The, normally wrapped up in political red tape, regulators will actually go after you for that stuff. Pretty interesting to see how some people react to all this though. I remember how people would react to much more minor issues in other cards, like AMD's R9 290 stock HSF noise and heat, and they'd agggressively poo poo all over it at the time and call it a fire risk. Meanwhile NV can have their cards' power connectors actually melting down and actually creating a fire risk and its no big deal.
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Nov 4, 2022 16:41
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Dude, its a pretty big deal. I'm saying sending out new connectors isn't a big deal, not the issue itself. As in, if they send out new connectors it won't bankrupt them or cause massive financial strain or anything. But I guess edit my comments and then get mad at the thing you just editted.
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Nov 4, 2022 16:43
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Lockback posted:I'm saying sending out new connectors isn't a big deal, not the issue itself. As in, if they send out new connectors it won't bankrupt them or cause massive financial strain or anything. Re-read that link to Buildzoid's post. Its looking more and more like its not just an adapter issue. Its the actual 12VHPWR connector on the board itself. They can't just send those out. Its soldered to the board. And if the connector design itself is faulty somehow then replacing the connector with a new 12VHPWR connector is a moot issue. They'd have to redesign the board to take standard ATX power connectors at that point and do a recall. That won't sink the company, nowhere near it, but it'd be a gigantic blunder with major financial impacts and would go a long way to tarnishing their brand.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:They'd have to redesign the board to take standard ATX power connectors at that point and do a recall. that may not even be possible since they're so committed to short PCBs, they'd have to redesign the heatsink as well there literally just isn't enough space for three or four 8pins on here 
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I hadn't thought of the potential HSF issue at all there. Also not financially going to sink NV but it would take time to design and produce a new HSF along with the board if that happens. Maybe 2-3 months before fixed cards could hit the shelves? I would think the AIB vendors would be pissed if NV makes them eat all the cost on that but I don't really know what they could do about it. NV has too much marketshare for them to blow off. edit: its supposed to also make it easier to get airflow through the HSF. I dunno how much length and money it really saves but AMD seems to do just fine making a similar flow-through card and using the standard 6-8pin ATX connectors without making their cards much bigger and lower prices. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/ PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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repiv posted:that may not even be possible since they're so committed to short PCBs, they'd have to redesign the heatsink as well I feel like this was mentioned up thread but I can't seem to find it Why are they so committed to it? Is there a benefit other than material cost?
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I can’t help but be a LITTLE disappointed with AMD. The 7900 xtc isn’t good enough for anyone who bought a 4090 to care. While at the same time its a grand. Cheaper is good, sure, but man. Talk about a runaway market. I can’t help but feel that if someone can easily grab a $1000 card… idk. This sounds not much different from the same people who could easily grab a 4090. Maybe I’m not being fair? It just… $1000 for a card pre tax still sucks… buying AMD also means having to live with the AMD drivers, which could be ok, or horrible. We’ll see I guess.
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I can’t imagine somebody hasn’t already reported the 4090 situation to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:I feel like this was mentioned up thread but I can't seem to find it blow through coolers are very very good and they need that all the cooling for the power they are shoving into the card. AMD AIBs has been doing blow through cooler since vega56 (i know because i run a vega56 with a blow through). Taima posted:buying AMD also means having to live with the AMD drivers, which could be ok, or horrible. We’ll see I guess. they are less terrible then you think. I very much have had a more stable time with AMD drivers then with NV drivers.
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repiv posted:just remembered that they already put angled 12pin connectors on 30-series cards to facilitate cable routing without putting hard bends in the cable I just picked up an actually-from-Nvidia 3060 Ti, and its power connector is not angled like that. They clearly didn't do it for all 30-series cards.
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the 3070ti and up had the angled connector
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wargames posted:they are less terrible then you think. I very much have had a more stable time with AMD drivers then with NV drivers. That's fair. I've only heard second hand and honestly I am probably still upset about how the AMD drivers were like 8 years ago. The life of a 36 year old boomer I guess. e: actually now that i think about it you guys are probably older than 36 aren't you. When I found the SA forums I was literally in like. holy poo poo. Grade school. That means a lot of goons are older. We used to read Cliff Yablonsky in like second grade social studies. SA is still the best though after all of these years. The GPU thread has the same homies it's always had, which means we can talk about the AMD drivers and actually be envisioning an opinion we had 10 years ago easy. Taima fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Nov 4, 2022 |
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I've been using my 4090 with no issues whatsoever, Lord Jensen would never sell me a bad product. AMD fanboys coping hard knowing their second rate products will never compete. Sad!
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Wonton posted:drat it. I'm a stupid idiot who wants to put everything at max and play with DLSS quality for the lovely reflections, every other game that doesn't use RT the 3080 destroys so take my whining with a bucket of salt!
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