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I did enjoy how they threw shade on the idea of the big CGI fight for the finale. That being said so have a mystery be built up and be resolved with staring at the camera and saying "we ain't doing that" kind of felt like a cop out. I remember people on this site speculating about the stolen blood, who Josh was etc and in the end the show says "it doesn't matter". I enjoyed the show over all but found the finale to be a bit of a mix bag and a bit too smug with itself.
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The ending made me laugh a lot, but I also feel really bad because there's basically a plot about Jen being raped that really wasn't addressed in any meaningful way. There's some real whiplash there and ultimately didn't need to have happened. At the very least, I would have enjoyed it if Josh was at that event, and all the guys from therapy showed up to beat him up and the other bros. That might still be a bit too lighthearted for such a subject, but it would at least tie back into events and provide some more storytelling for those characters beyond one-off jokes.
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Nov 3, 2022 22:52
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Jamesman posted:The ending made me laugh a lot, but I also feel really bad because there's basically a plot about Jen being raped that really wasn't addressed in any meaningful way. There's some real whiplash there and ultimately didn't need to have happened.
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Nov 3, 2022 23:00
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Jagermonster posted:The Wayne’s World endings demonstrate why the She Hulk one was so bad though. They didn’t actually go back and redo it the right way in She Hulk. They just skipped over it completely and had waved everything away. I generally liked the show and was on board with the meta stuff but that ending was appalling. I think I get what you mean, they could have dropped her back at the reveal and she could have told them off/recorded them for evidence/something but instead we skipped ahead a bit and it kinda felt empty, especially after what the intelligencia did to her. Would have really liked to see her embarrass a room full of incels. Also rather than erasing the blood plot I would have liked to see it just not work. In the comics it only worked because Jen has a similar genetic makeup as her cousin, if anything Todd's body should have rejected her blood like a poorly matched organ (maybe he could have exploded? I don't know)
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In Wayne's World nobody redid anything though? Everything plays out the same right up until the last possible moment when we get the results of the plan but where everything that could have gone wrong, and did, things went better than imagined. She-Hulk kept wanting to be a lawyer and kept wanting to write her own story and so instead of glorifying Todd with a huge supervillain moment and making the end into an out-of-control spectacle with a deus ex Banner Hulk she instead fights her way to that deus to argue her case in front of him to get her way and regular lame Todd gets smacked down to simply taken away in police custody. He doesn't get to be Abomination Bro or HulkKing, he's nothing more than a revenge porn peddler.
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It also firmly established that it's just a sitcom, with no stakes,
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Also rather than erasing the blood plot I would have liked to see it just not work. In the comics it only worked because Jen has a similar genetic makeup as her cousin, if anything Todd's body should have rejected her blood like a poorly matched organ (maybe he could have exploded? I don't know) Yeah I honestly thought Todd (and maybe others) would take the blood and it'd just straight up kill them. Then again an incel Heaven's Gate would be a little too dark for a Marvel show.
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Yeah. I honestly expected Todd to at least turn into something monstrous if not just die horribly. But I certainly wasn’t expecting the path it took.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah. I honestly expected Todd to at least turn into something monstrous if not just die horribly. Yea, if he injected himself and started experiencing some body horror/hulking out only to grab at his chest and drop dead and She-Hulk staring at the camera saying "did this guy honestly think he could inject himself with foreign radioactive blood and not die? Really?" it would have been kind of funny.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah. I honestly expected Todd to at least turn into something monstrous if not just die horribly. Just imagine he took a hulk sized poo poo in his pants right in front of everyone. I'd love it if Wakanda Forever mentions that a lost spear was returned by Jen.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I think I get what you mean, they could have dropped her back at the reveal and she could have told them off/recorded them for evidence/something but instead we skipped ahead a bit and it kinda felt empty, especially after what the intelligencia did to her. Would have really liked to see her embarrass a room full of incels. Madkal posted:Yea, if he injected himself and started experiencing some body horror/hulking out only to grab at his chest and drop dead and She-Hulk staring at the camera saying "did this guy honestly think he could inject himself with foreign radioactive blood and not die? Really?" it would have been kind of funny. Yes this is what should have happened. They literally explained in the first episode that there’s something special about Bruce and Jen’s genetics that let them process the gamma radiation and become Hulks. Bad guy should have shot up the blood and died in a horrible body horror manner. They telegraphed something like that would happen. Instead they just said the blood plot line was stupid and yadda yadda’d it away.
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i really don't know how y'all are getting from the comedy the entire rest of the show was to body horror death scenes but i have to imagine you must've been watching something else
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I honestly expected something like the Batman Beyond episode where the guy got half of the Inque injection and turned into a blobby half man.
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I thought it would have been hilarious if his arm had been the only thing to Hulk out. Just this one, uselessly heavy appendage he can't really support. That said, I don't mind the ending we got. It's very true to the vibe of the show and the comics that inspired it. I do hope if/when we get a season 2 that it opens with a follow up on the Intelligencia. Would make for a decent courtroom episode.
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glitchwraith posted:I thought it would have been hilarious if his arm had been the only thing to Hulk out. Just this one, uselessly heavy appendage he can't really support. Reminds me of what a missed opportunity it was for Sif's arm to not show up at the end of Love and Thunder.
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site posted:i really don't know how y'all are getting from the comedy the entire rest of the show was to body horror death scenes but i have to imagine you must've been watching something else Yeah I mean I didn’t REALLY expect it because as you say it would have been hugely out of tone. But it was still the “wait, really?” reaction I had at the time. But I also seem to be in the minority here in that I enjoyed what they did do and didn’t mind the resolution at all.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah I mean I didn’t REALLY expect it because as you say it would have been hugely out of tone. But it was still the “wait, really?” reaction I had at the time. But I also seem to be in the minority here in that I enjoyed what they did do and didn’t mind the resolution at all. Well I agree with you that I enjoyed what they did. You (the viewer) already know what these guys did was illegal, reprehensible and heinous. Side-stepping the CGI fight and going right to "I'll see your rear end in court" - with Jen's "closing argument" to K.E.V.I.N. in between - worked for me as the show basically saying you know what they did is horrible, we don't need any of this non-sense. And then I get to yell "GET HIS rear end JEN (IN COURT)" at the end when Hulkking looks pathetic and whiny in the cuffs saying he didn't really mean it, so catharsis all around.
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site posted:i really don't know how y'all are getting from the comedy the entire rest of the show was to body horror death scenes but i have to imagine you must've been watching something else I was expecting a smash cut to an ambulance
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The Hulk rules are a little confusing. Bruce had to spend years in his lab to meld with his Hulk, while Blonsky learned how to control his and go back and forth and Jen could do both from basically the beginning. Todd having some adverse effects would've been out of place in She-Hulk but hopefully they address everything at some point with so many Hulks in the MCU now.
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live with fruit posted:The Hulk rules are a little confusing. Bruce had to spend years in his lab to meld with his Hulk, while Blonsky learned how to control his and go back and forth and Jen could do both from basically the beginning. Todd having some adverse effects would've been out of place in She-Hulk but hopefully they address everything at some point with so many Hulks in the MCU now. This is part of why I like either the Eric Bana or comicbook origin of Hulk because it's more clear on why the Banner/Hulk dynamic exists, i.e why gamma doesn't have the same Jekyll & Hyde effect on everyone. Bana's Hulk has deep-seated trauma and rage. Just... getting over it to control or eliminate the Hulk is like carving himself in half. Comicbook Banner was building nuclear weapons and got a taste of his own medicine (and then later on his mental issues from childhood are explained). MCU Banner was seemingly just cursed? Maybe he's supposed to have anger issues but we don't know and his origin was an accident without any apparent irony or poetic justice aspect.
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did y'all miss both norton's incredible hulk and avengers 1 orrrrlive with fruit posted:The Hulk rules are a little confusing. Bruce had to spend years in his lab to meld with his Hulk, while Blonsky learned how to control his and go back and forth and Jen could do both from basically the beginning. Todd having some adverse effects would've been out of place in She-Hulk but hopefully they address everything at some point with so many Hulks in the MCU now. it's consistent in universe with rage. banner had to learn to control his and had it under control in avengers (and was teased at the end of incredible), jen always had her rage under control as she explains earlier in the show and blonsky went full kumbaya
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Blonsky also had basically the exact same amount of time to learn to control himself
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Soul Glo posted:did y'all miss both norton's incredible hulk and avengers 1 orrrr But Bruce and the Hulk were two separate identities and he had to do science to make them into one while Blonsky did it through meditation and Jen was always just the one.
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Can we all just agree that we absolutely need more Madisynn and Wongers?
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live with fruit posted:But Bruce and the Hulk were two separate identities and he had to do science to make them into one while Blonsky did it through meditation and Jen was always just the one. This is consistent for Bruce who is always presented as *extremely* more hosed up than the other hulks.
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live with fruit posted:But Bruce and the Hulk were two separate identities and he had to do science to make them into one while Blonsky did it through meditation and Jen was always just the one. I don't think Blonsky and Abomination were ever shown as seperate entities
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ImpAtom posted:This is consistent for Bruce who is always presented as *extremely* more hosed up than the other hulks. Blonsky was a killing machine. Actually, have they gotten into what's wrong with Bruce? His extended family is nice enough.
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Opopanax posted:Blonsky also had basically the exact same amount of time to learn to control himself He also wasn't constantly on the run or being recruited into a world spanning super hero team (until Wong needed him) and if he truly wanted to learn to live with himself and control the transformation, a rigid structure like jail is probably conducive to that*. *in fiction, at least
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consider, too, the possibility that Bruce is just bad at it disregard that he's the first or most important Hulk, what if he's also just inherently terrible at being a Hulk edit: and you have to admit that's a fair possibility, the Wright Brothers were never destined to be the best pilots in history Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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Lunatic Sledge posted:consider, too, the possibility that Bruce is just bad at it It does seem that way.
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Bruce being the worst Hulk is comics accurate.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:MCU Blonsky also had a weirder concoction than Bruce, involving some knock-off super soldier serum they had laying around
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FlamingLiberal posted:Half of the villains in the early MCU (as well as some more recent ones) were created by trying to re-create the super soldier serum Pretty much every super person in the Ultimate Universe had something to do with Super Solider Serum, and a lot of that carried over to the movies
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glitchwraith posted:I thought it would have been hilarious if his arm had been the only thing to Hulk out. Just this one, uselessly heavy appendage he can't really support. I would have guffawed for sure if the revenge porn incel literally got turned into the coomer soyjack meme
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Opopanax posted:Pretty much every super person in the Ultimate Universe had something to do with Super Solider Serum, and a lot of that carried over to the movies
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live with fruit posted:Blonsky was a killing machine. Actually, have they gotten into what's wrong with Bruce? His extended family is nice enough. At least in the comics Bruce has horrifying anger issues far beyond the others
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live with fruit posted:Blonsky was a killing machine. Actually, have they gotten into what's wrong with Bruce? His extended family is nice enough. Abusive father. It's why his Hulk most often presents as a childlike figure with incredible anger issues. That's the core the character has always been built around.
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