Frosted Flake posted:

You know, it hadn’t occurred to me but the conversation in another thread sparked my interest about what I’m going to term Triple Genocide Theory, that German policies in East Africa prefigured the Holocaust. This was in vogue in the 90’s when books came out about Hermann Goering’s father, for example.

The scholarship now, which I guess is the second generation of post-colonial studies, paints a very different picture. Crucially, and this is what I want to draw attention to, it shows that the Germans were not all-powerful colonial overlords and instead came into a situation without much control, much administrative capability, unfolding chaos, and a food supply problem there was no easy solution to. What they did in reaction to that was reprehensible and often criminal, but they didn’t create the situation because they weren’t omniscient and omnipotent.

To be clear - there were widespread famines in German East Africa, German policies often made it worse, and some policies targeted specific groups, or at least, did not extend relief to them.

The difference between the Soviet Archives being opened and not is knowing how much (or indeed how little) information the Soviets had, and how much ability to act. It’s led to reappraisals across whole fields and disciplines, for example the realization the Stalinism presented a sort of executive control that did not actually exist in the bureaucratized USSR, but the popular memory endures. People believed that the Soviets were a towering Totalitarian™️ state, but of course we know now that they were wary of mass politics, the committees and Party handled nearly all of the functions of state, the bureaucracy often did not have the kind of perfect information and total control that it appeared to and so on.

None of this would be apparent to people suffering under it, or writers afterwards. In the case of German East Africa, Prussian Efficiency and Bureaucracy are such strong stereotypes in the English speaking world that there’s been resistance to the idea that they could have possibly been in a situation where they didn’t have much authority, regions and people within their formal borders were outside their control, they were unable to remedy the food supply situation, etc. We think of an all-powerful German state, an all-powerful Soviet state, and so assume all events that transpire within it are under their total control, that they have total information, can act totally, and so in both cases the often very dry and boring records that bear out administrators trying to cope with a situation - and again, often acting reprehensibly - that’s ignored because it doesn’t fit with the English speaking world’s idea of their state power.

synapse posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1588540669060329474

synapse posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1588540669060329474

synapse posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1588540669060329474

Not So Fast posted:

https://twitter.com/UkraineNowMedia/status/1568631810581725190?t=CWnu69-Kd5vIwInUM-ZVAg&s=19

Chewbaccanator posted:

You can go into the individual properties being sold and look at the pictures and where they are. You can even bid on stuff directly. It's all available in English: https://privatization.gov.ua/en/

It's kind of insane, a Clinton fever dream from the 90s.

synapse posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1588540669060329474

euphronius posted:

people claiming red-brown or whatever really breaks my brain

nomad2020 posted:

Saw we have a new QCS apology and thread, I’m assuming this means no one’s won yet?

gradenko_2000 posted:

Timothy Snyder's Bad History

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Double genocide theory - this is literally just the wikipedia article on the topic

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Warping History

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Jewish Currents, 2017: The Double Genocide Theory

HashtagGirlboss posted:

I thought so too until Crowsbeak happened

They’re rare, but they’re real

Lostconfused posted:

_{(from t.me/montyan2/3284, via tgsa)}

I am too lazy to actually check if they're listed here https://privatization.gov.ua/

The site sucks poo poo to navigate on mobile, someone else can do the needful if they care that much.

Chewbaccanator posted:

I welcome a new thread but sincerely hope this lovely war is over soon and we have to find something else to shitpost about inshallah.

Majorian posted:

https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/1588554993216278529

Get our asses!

KomradeX posted:

These people really do find utter contempt in people having their own immediate problems . Just seeing the personalities of Liberals and Conservatives collapse into one sneering hate for anyone that actually has to work for a living

Wheeee posted:

going to buy a shipyard in ukraine for less than the cost of a two bedroom crackhouse in vancouver

HashtagGirlboss posted:

I thought so too until Crowsbeak happened

They’re rare, but they’re real

genericnick posted:

Isn't that basically always the LaRouchians?

Majorian posted:

https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/1588554993216278529

Get our asses!

synapse posted:

https://twitter.com/JeffSchogol/status/1588540669060329474

Azathoth posted:

Calling LaRouchites red/brown is one of those things that's broadly accurate but gets less true the more you dig down, because the reality of their beliefs are infinitely dumber and stranger than a basic red/brown or strasserite ideology.

Azathoth posted:

Calling LaRouchites red/brown is one of those things that's broadly accurate but gets less true the more you dig down, because the reality of their beliefs are infinitely dumber and stranger than a basic red/brown or strasserite ideology.

Hadlock posted:

Is it just me or does everyone with the stable Diffusion ai Bernie Sanders avatars just kind of blend together now

Except for the shifty nipples one, that one rules, long may be reign

genericnick posted:

Do they even have believes? They always seemed the opest of ops to me.

Azathoth posted:

There's that whole thing about the secret war between Platonists and Aristotelians (I think that's who can't be bothered to check), but that's closer to religious belief than political belief.

Brandon Proust posted:

uh, didn't know that ubisoft was a larouchite company

Wheeee posted:

Ardennes posted:

Yeah that series has had plenty hot takes over the years.

Zerg Mans posted:

Pistol_Pete posted:

This thread is but a light-hearted dress rehearsal for the inevitable China invades Taiwan thread in 2024.

iCe-CuBe. posted:

I get so loving furious when people don't care about Ukraine as much as me. Absolutely livid. It's seriously horrific that you don't care about Ukraine.

Резидент posted:

⚡️⚡️⚡️#Инсайд
Our source in the OP told us that there are more and more problems with volunteers/mercenaries, and for the AFU they are turning into ballast. Soldiers coming from abroad have a dramatic drop in morale, it is becoming much harder to fight, and they are not accustomed to the late-autumn weather and the hardships associated with it. Information keeps coming in that they refuse to obey AFU commanders, break discipline and complain to the Western media. If at the beginning of the war they played a significant role for the Ukrainian army, now the situation is changing dramatically.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/14872

iCe-CuBe. posted:

I get so loving furious when people don't care about Ukraine as much as me. Absolutely livid. It's seriously horrific that you don't care about Ukraine.