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Strap Kim and O'Brien to opposite ends of a dynamo and tell the computer to promote whoever ends up on top. Boom! perpetual motion machine.
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Nov 4, 2022 21:20
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Prurient Squid posted:Strap Kim and O'Brien to opposite ends of a dynamo and tell the computer to promote whoever ends up on top. Boom! perpetual motion machine. To be fair O'Brien seems to get promoted from Chief Petty Officer to Senior Chief Petty Officer at some point. Given all that went down during the war, I wouldn't be surprised if his transfer to Earth was accompanied by becoming Master Chief. <halo theme>
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Nov 4, 2022 21:30
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Laterite posted:Well, after 25+ years of avoiding it, I'm finally starting Voyager. I started a re-watch a couple months ago and the first 2-3 seasons were actually better and more interesting than I remembered they were.
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Nov 4, 2022 21:48
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CainFortea posted:She beamed down to a planet with an aging plague because she couldn't handle the medical technology. She's not exactly hyper competent. I mean hyper competent in the context of S2 standards
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Nov 4, 2022 21:55
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Also I don’t think you have pick Pulaski OR Crusher, both are potentially great characters with talented actors who were underserved by the writing. Both deserved better on TNG it’s just more egregious with Crusher because they had plenty of time to develop her character and basically no excuse for fumbling Crusher stories so consistently.
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Nov 4, 2022 22:00
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Cause & Effect, Remember Me and Suspicions are all good Crusher episodes and there should have been more episodes where Bev solves a mystery and less episodes where she has zero chemistry with her love interest of the week.
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Nov 4, 2022 22:02
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Crusher's great when she's on a crusade or is taking a hard moral stand.
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Laterite posted:Oh, and I like Tuvok & Janeway's dynamic. Very obviously a Kirk/Spock replication, but it works for me. Hope you enjoyed it because it's over. Anything that started out well got dropped by the second episode or didn't make it past the first season. The super bio-chips, limited torpedoes, no repair facilities, no crew replacements, crew strife... Everything gets a passing mention once or twice and is then sacrificed upon the "reset button" alter.
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Yeah “Remember Me” is when there’s no more excuse to sideline her. She clearly had strengths as an actress and they just weren’t interested in investing in them
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I think the trick with Voyager is to just accept that everything will get reset, storylines, character development, hull damage, you name it. First time I watched Voyager I got real mad about how nothing means anything but I enjoyed my most recent rewatch because I went in determined to not care just as much as Voyager was determined to not care.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I think the trick with Voyager is to just accept that everything will get reset, storylines, character development, hull damage, you name it. First time I watched Voyager I got real mad about how nothing means anything but I enjoyed my most recent rewatch because I went in determined to not care just as much as Voyager was determined to not care. Yes. Giving this it is TNG light bud. Passable, but could be better stuff. By watching it you can also see why Ron Moore lost his mind and made the BSG reboot ultra-nihilistic and dark, until it wasn't and was replaced by asspulls, and an endgame that makes even the hardcore fans blush.
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Nov 4, 2022 22:28
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Most of Crusher's character hooks are things like, "Wesley is her son" and "Has conflicted feelings about Picard." These sort of motivations work great in the first season where the show is a full ensemble cast, and everyone gets their moment. So even if they don't need a doctor she'll have a little scene where she tries to help Picard cope with the situation. But from Season 3 on they go to having each episode featuring a certain character, which basically means that if the episode doesn't feature her or Wesley, her character hooks aren't going to show up because they almost completely dropped her thing with Picard in the middle seasons. And then Wesley goes away. So basically she is only going to show up in any meaningful way in episodes where they need a doctor or they go back to ensemble situations like Disaster. Eventually they do start trying to find her new plot hooks, but they really don't make a serious effort until Season 6 and 7.
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First time I watched Voyager it was running concurrently with DS9 which paints it in even starker contrast lol
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sweet geek swag posted:Most of Crusher's character hooks are things like, "Wesley is her son" and "Has conflicted feelings about Picard." These sort of motivations work great in the first season where the show is a full ensemble cast, and everyone gets their moment. So even if they don't need a doctor she'll have a little scene where she tries to help Picard cope with the situation. But from Season 3 on they go to having each episode featuring a certain character, which basically means that if the episode doesn't feature her or Wesley, her character hooks aren't going to show up because they almost completely dropped her thing with Picard in the middle seasons. And then Wesley goes away. So basically she is only going to show up in any meaningful way in episodes where they need a doctor or they go back to ensemble situations like Disaster. Eventually they do start trying to find her new plot hooks, but they really don't make a serious effort until Season 6 and 7. Her original role was head mistress of the school system running at Enterprise, for less-than serious B-stories about the civilian life at the Galaxy-class ship, this is why she was also written in with a child and dead husband. However, they late in development decided to cut the civilian life-aspect along with the school storylines, and since they didn't have doctor at that point cast yet, just made her the doctor of the ship. At that time, being the doctor carried the idea of being the 3rd main character, but they had already cast the bridge crew and had other plans, so she got stuck somewhere in the middle of writing limbo. They literally started the series with little to no idea how to use the "not 3rd main character"-doctor, and her son.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:Cause & Effect, Remember Me and Suspicions are all good Crusher episodes and there should have been more episodes where Bev solves a mystery and less episodes where she has zero chemistry with her love interest of the week. she had great chemistry with grandma’s sex ghost candle Trixie Hardcore posted:First time I watched Voyager it was running concurrently with DS9 which paints it in even starker contrast lol those shows could not be any different lol it’s wild
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Crusher being put in command of the Enterprise in Descent 2 and she has it fly into a sun to blow up the Borg was awesome. Too bad the overall episode kinda stinks.
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naem posted:she had great chemistry with grandma’s sex ghost candle I almost added that to my original post, that candle was like the only romance of the week I ever bought. Not the parts where the candle looks like Shakaar, just the parts were the candle is a green mist, Bev & that mist were burnin up the screen. Laterite posted:Crusher being put in command of the Enterprise in Descent 2 and she has it fly into a sun to blow up the Borg was awesome. Too bad the overall episode kinda stinks. 
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Crusher's big character hooks later on are her determination and that she's absolutely morally rock-solid, more than anyone else on the ship (and obviously that's saying something). She will not stand for any 'oh shades of grey' or 'oh no they're the enemy' or 'it's just a drone' bullshit for even a second and will stand up for that.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I think the trick with Voyager is to just accept that everything will get reset, storylines, character development, hull damage, you name it. First time I watched Voyager I got real mad about how nothing means anything but I enjoyed my most recent rewatch because I went in determined to not care just as much as Voyager was determined to not care. I've been going through a lot of what I would call "prestige background TV", stuff like Psych, Fringe, Leverage, The Librarians, etc. to unwind after work. Genre material but not generic "Chicago PD/Fire/EMT/Animal Control". I figure Voyager will fit in nicely there.
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MikeJF posted:She will not stand for any 'oh shades of grey' But deal, nobody likes that episode.
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there's really no excuse for pulaski disdaining precautions against infectious diseases. that poo poo makes no sense and isn't consistent with pulaski's usual level of competence. but i guess whoever wrote that episode couldn't make the premise work otherwise.
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LMAO at the bridge crew all getting together to have a long conversation on whether they wanna gently caress up Wesley Crushers day
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Blistex posted:Hope you enjoyed it because it's over. Anything that started out well got dropped by the second episode or didn't make it past the first season. No, the Janeway/Tuvok set up is one of the few things that stays consistent through the whole show. I mean, the final episodes were basically triggered because Janeway couldn't cope with Tuvok's degeneration thingy.
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Voyager wasn’t usually BAD but more just an unfortunate waste of a great premise, quickly becoming “tng but worse”
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Gutcruncher posted:Voyager wasn’t usually BAD but more just an unfortunate waste of a great premise, quickly becoming “tng but worse” That's my take as well. Watching it immediately after binging all of TNG was a mistake, it was just more of the same but less good. This led to me not bothering to try DS9 for a couple years, which is perhaps its greatest crime.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Except not really because there are a million years of Q being alive and no rule that Q has to live them linearly. An earlier, non-dead version of Q can show up at any time. Nope, he died, it's cannon.
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Canon is whatever you want it to be
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Laterite posted:Well, after 25+ years of avoiding it, I'm finally starting Voyager. High five, big same! Except for loving Paris, that toolbag's a toolbag. I don't know how much of it is immediate impressions and how much of it is things I've picked up from this thread, but my main observations so far are that (a) Harry Kim is going nowhere in life, ever, and is going to get less play than Geordie and (b) Tuvok and Neelix are a couple
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Geordie and Harry Kim are also a couple.
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Prurient Squid posted:Geordie and Harry Kim are also a couple. Never. Harry Kim would have to have a successful relationship for that to be true.
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MikeJF posted:To be fair O'Brien seems to get promoted from Chief Petty Officer to Senior Chief Petty Officer at some point. 1993 Doom but the protagonist is O'Brien.
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Prurient Squid posted:1993 Doom but the protagonist is O'Brien. "Someone's gotta show these demons the difference between a self sealing stem bolt and a plasma converter" *frags everyone*
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Two player coop has Keiko.
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Don't you just love how wrong voyager gets science? Like water being scarce in space, or that you can just simulate 65 million years of evolution (with no knowledge of what environments the lifeform lived in) to get a perfect 3d recreation in a matter of seconds. I mean the only accurate scientific thing on voyager I can think of is the mutating in to a salamander if you go at infinite velocity.
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The AI art stuff this year irl makes The 65 million years of evolution extrapolation way, way more realistic given other levels of technology seen on screen.
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ShredsYouSay posted:Don't you just love how wrong voyager gets science? Like water being scarce in space, or that you can just simulate 65 million years of evolution (with no knowledge of what environments the lifeform lived in) to get a perfect 3d recreation in a matter of seconds. It should have been that the water was scarce because the ocean planet people stole it all to make the ocean planet
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