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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugGO0UN0m0

quote:

"Looking at China from the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China" uses 3D naked-eye new horizons as the expression method, leading the viewer to immersely read the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China report, and feel the oncoming in the more shocking 3D achievements of the extraordinary decade.
it's time to bring back the impact font marxist-leninist propaganda but in 3D™

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i read the kevin rudd (former australian PM) article in foreign affairs today about xi and it's written from a western-centric perspective which disapproves of of it all course, but it's interesting because rudd is, like, the only current or former western leader who seems to take marxism-leninism seriously enough to even consider it a factor

it's paywalled on the website but the whole thing is available here:

https://archive.ph/IBUGE

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
IIRC he's also fluent in Mandarin and lived in China.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
Under Rudd Australia-China relations were pretty good. He wrote a book and continues to give speeches about how it is important to avoid WW3 and for US-China relations to be encouraged towards 'managed competition' type stuff, which should not be ground breaking but that's what we have to work with now.

He also, despite winning in a massive landslide and having led a fairly popular government (his approval ratings were low in the period leading up to his removal, but not absolutely catastrophic, in the way we see, say the UK Tories constantly tossing their leaders out for), was removed as party leader supposedly because he had a big ego and was too arrogant.

The :tinfoil: explanation is, of course, the CIA.

https://jacobin.com/2022/04/kevin-rudd-cia-us-embassy-julia-gillard-alp-coup

quote:

So far, a smoking gun directly linking the US embassy in Canberra with the Rudd coup has not been found. What is beyond doubt, however, is that the US embassy was in close and regular contact with a high-ranking factional power broker, Mark Arbib, who played a key role in Rudd’s downfall.

It’s also beyond doubt that the Americans benefited from information provided to them by a number of other senior Labor operatives, and were increasingly frustrated with Rudd’s approach to foreign policy. The embassy cables also cite a senior executive of BHP Billiton, one of the multinational companies that Rudd wanted to tax.

Although the press reported some of these details at the time, the story disappeared almost as quickly as it was revealed. The Labor Party defended its implicated members and Rudd himself referred to the US embassy’s criticisms as “water off a duck’s back.” When Jacobin reached out to Rudd’s office for comment on this story, the former prime minister said he had nothing new or specific to add that he hadn’t already covered in his two autobiographies.

When Mark Arbib was forced to respond to the “alleged spying” issue, his office released a statement claiming that it was normal for MPs to hold discussions “with members of the US mission and console.” Similarly, Peter Khalil stated that these kinds of discussions were just “a normal part of that work.”

It’s almost as though it’s abnormal when Labor MPs and advisers don’t supply foreign powers with information about the internal workings of government. Never mind that in the course of these regular conversations, Arbib repeatedly requested that his identity as an informant be kept secret. For his part, Arbib has now left politics. Khalil, however, has been more fortunate. In 2021, Labor leader Anthony Albanese promoted him to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security, perhaps in recognition of his experience.

Important questions remain about US involvement in Kevin Rudd’s overthrow. However, it is now a matter of public record that the United States actively encouraged the constitutional coup that brought down Gough Whitlam. Commenting on these events forty years later, radical journalist John Pilger argued that Whitlam’s dismissal was a turning point that ended Australia’s independence. The leaked US cables from around Kevin Rudd’s fall vindicate this argument — although perhaps it shouldn’t come as a surprise. After serving the United States as a loyal informant, Bob Hawke went on to be prime minister for eight years.

Hard to tell whether it was being friendly to China or trying to tax big corporations that did it though.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Sure, I was already a Gough Whitlam truther, might as well be a Kevin Rudd truther

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i say swears online posted:

oh my god olaf scholz has defected to the CPC
for posterity

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

Sure, I was already a Gough Whitlam truther, might as well be a Kevin Rudd truther

To be honest I think a lot of this stuff gets done by itself without any conspiracies about USA sending CIA assassins in, just by the way in which most people in power in western liberal politics view and approach the world.

Like, the US saying 'hey we don't like this guy', is a good enough reason to decide to topple your party's leader, because you believe that being friendly to the USA is an integral part of how your country functions (which is not wrong) and damaging the relationship with the US is bad for your own electoral prospects and even in some ways bad for your own people if you care about them, because the US will do lovely-but-completely-above-board-within-the-rules-based-order things to you, so there are plenty of existing domestic incentives to be rid of any leader who the US doesn't like in a country like Australia.

The Jacobin article supports this given there is no real evidence of the US doing anything concrete except communicating that they didn't like Rudd and preferred Gillard, which is more than enough to topple a government.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
It potentially could have just been the mining industry that took down Rudd. They were opposed to the super-profits tax that he was trying to bring in, mining CEOs met with the woman who replaced him right before she took office and most importantly, he ended up prime minister again like a year later, which isn’t what would happen if it was a US led thing

But on the other hand, obviously it would still be unsurprising if it was an American intervention. The US was very unimpressed with Rudd’s foreign policy ideas. He wanted to create some kind of strategic union involving most Asia Pacific countries (including China and Australia) to reduce regional tensions and the US were not happy about that. They also hated the fact that he dissolved the quad and advocated for a greater role for China in the IMF.

His removal from office the first time he was PM was definitely the turning point from Australia being strategically ambivalent to being embarrassingly and predictably pro US defence interests

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i read the kevin rudd (former australian PM) article in foreign affairs today about xi and it's written from a western-centric perspective which disapproves of of it all course, but it's interesting because rudd is, like, the only current or former western leader who seems to take marxism-leninism seriously enough to even consider it a factor

it's paywalled on the website but the whole thing is available here:

https://archive.ph/IBUGE

No one in the west wants to believe that China actually takes communist rhetoric seriously, because that implies they can't be co-opted by capitalism and made to destroy themselves with it like Russia.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Ghost Leviathan posted:

No one in the west wants to believe that China actually takes communist rhetoric seriously, because that implies they can't be co-opted by capitalism and made to destroy themselves with it like Russia.

https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-scholz-defend-china-germany-europe-change/

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Jose posted:

Octopuses have been one of the big winners from climate change. Their populations have exploded as a result

wish i could see the looks on their faces when their archeologists find bezos' hentai warehouse in 100 million years

Tankbuster posted:

a country of 220 million people and everyone with a gun is a spooklet from langley.

https://twitter.com/LiberationistMA/status/1581759439702347776

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
If Kevin Rudd was removed by US blob, I don't think he would have gotten his current gig in Asian Society.

BTW, I read about half of his new book. It feels a little bit thin. Like he just wanted to write a book and remind the world he is still a scholar. The book spends most of the pages on general knowledge and doesn't make a strong case of trying to work with China to avoid a war, even though he does take that side of the stand.

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

i say swears online posted:

oh my god olaf scholz has defected to the CPC

https://twitter.com/cityafreaks/status/1588606804074065920

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
This Wu guy, Taiwan foreign minister, he got on the Beijing "anti unificiation hardcore Taiwan separatists" list.

It's not a long list. So he has no choise. He had to step on gas paddle all the way. If poo poo hits the fan, he either go on a C17 plane or go to jail for the rest of his life.

DiscountDildos
Nov 8, 2017

https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1588802112464769024?s=20&t=REbmKsaCD7aw5EGaDzkjBA

https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1588802148800036864?s=20&t=REbmKsaCD7aw5EGaDzkjBA

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
Some CPC guy got into citybuilders. Its good!

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
Hopefully the subordinates don't reinterpret it as maximum density while ignoring green and community spaces.

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

Tankbuster posted:

Some CPC guy got into citybuilders. Its good!

downloaded Workers And Resources and showed my mayor and got a promotion

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004


this is cool and reminds me of those self-contained soviet blocks someone used to post about constantly.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Hopefully the subordinates don't reinterpret it as maximum density while ignoring green and community spaces.

Are there places in China like that? Every high rise I've visited in China has had an integrated public garden area. Literally every one. I don't necessarily think my in laws and their friends are representative of China at large, but I don't think that's been a problem anywhere I've looked?

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

microdistricts with chinese characteristics :china:

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Cuttlefush posted:

i did deep sea stuff. it's mostly boring.

kinda moist and cold too

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i read the kevin rudd (former australian PM) article in foreign affairs today about xi and it's written from a western-centric perspective which disapproves of of it all course, but it's interesting because rudd is, like, the only current or former western leader who seems to take marxism-leninism seriously enough to even consider it a factor

it's paywalled on the website but the whole thing is available here:

https://archive.ph/IBUGE

this was an excellent read.

Time to reread my Mao too I think, its been far too long.

EasternBronze
Jul 19, 2011

I registered for the Selective Service! I'm also racist as fuck!
:downsbravo:
Don't forget to ignore me!

This is awesome, China is going to have so much room for all the migrants languishing under white supremacist violence in the west.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Hopefully the subordinates don't reinterpret it as maximum density while ignoring green and community spaces.

like the other poster said, there is a standard of having garden and community spaces.

In Taiwan too, there no urban block without a playground, a big square, and it's always full of parents with kids and teenagers learning hip hop dance and elderly people exercising with each other.

And tons of dance and Tai Qi groups

Climb a mountain in Taipei and at the top there will be 80 year olds doing pushups on public pull up bars & hanging out togeter.

Chinese culture is park culture and it's unstoppable

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

And that's a result of the high density urban living - no one wants to be at home because home is too small for yourself, let alone guests.

That means people are out every where and that actually makes almost everywhere safe at night cause its full of light, people, businesses etc.

Moving back to USA I spend less time seeing people (friends are always looking for other friends to go out with in Asia - so that there' not at home!). But also when I do see friends it's often at their residence. It sucks.

Also the insane volume of people means eating out is as cheap as cooking. and kitchens in apartments are tiny anyway, not a joy to cook in

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

another reverse culture shock is how much America has divided things into "for men" "for women" and "for adults" "for kids" that china doesn't really do and I gotta say that they got that right as well.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

EasternBronze posted:

This is awesome, China is going to have so much room for all the migrants languishing under white supremacist violence in the west.

It could use some sidewalks tbh.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Orange Devil posted:

It could use some sidewalks tbh.
I would assume this comes with a lot of traffic calming/restrictions given the emphasis on walkability, e.g.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woonerf

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
roads are primarily a pedestrian space in sane urban designs

the old medieval centre of our town has narrow roads with no/tiny sidewalks and our solution to the inflation in car numbers over the years was to just close the entire fuckin area for cars lol
now you need special documentation to go there, and even then it's only allowed in 5-9 in the morning, except for emergency services like fire trucks/ambulances

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Truga posted:

roads are primarily a pedestrian space in sane urban designs

the old medieval centre of our town has narrow roads with no/tiny sidewalks and our solution to the inflation in car numbers over the years was to just close the entire fuckin area for cars lol
now you need special documentation to go there, and even then it's only allowed in 5-9 in the morning, except for emergency services like fire trucks/ambulances

street = public space between residences and businesses i.e. street parking

road = public way for moving between those spaces (no such word as "road parking" cause you only use road for transit, it's not a pedestrian space)



America doesn't have streets, only roads. we say street parking as a vestigal organ of pre-car life

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

driving in manhattan is still baffling to me

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Antonymous posted:

street = public space between residences and businesses i.e. street parking

road = public way for moving between those spaces (no such word as "road parking" cause you only use road for transit, it's not a pedestrian space)



America doesn't have streets, only roads. we say street parking as a vestigal organ of pre-car life

north america has something even worse: stroads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzNZUeUHAM

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


indigi posted:

Bernie sanders is a failure and there will be no lasting impact from his campaigns

I gave up on democratic socialism and became a sindicalista so that's a lasting impact. I'm sure I'm not the only one. He jokerfied and radicalized many people.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Cup Runneth Over posted:

I gave up on democratic socialism and became a sindicalista

lol

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Ghost Leviathan posted:

No one in the west wants to believe that China actually takes communist rhetoric seriously, because that implies they can't be co-opted by capitalism and made to destroy themselves with it like Russia.

I think they told the "Socialism with Chinese characteristics looks an awful lot like Capitalism" joke so much they belelieved it and thought that like Western leaders, the Chinese leadership were all cynical sociopaths that don't believe in anything like them and were just using Communist rhetoric and symbols to maintain power and legitimacy. Xi following through on the idea of two steps forwardz one step back and progressing steps towards building Communism confuses them

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



Don't pretend you're not cringe

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Don't pretend you're not cringe

living on an art commune in oaxaca in 2013 i tried to differentiate myself from people talking about american imperialism by saying "no mi, yo estoy una marxista" and the anarchists all laughed until i said "...pero es mi sistema"

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