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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

yeah lucky for me “pro-Russia” is meaningless and impossible to define (good work admins!)

Eh, I think as long as you're making descriptive statements about Russia's motivations, and not outright justifying things (ie: "Russia is right to have invaded" or whatever), you're safe. I'll do my best to warn people if I think they're getting too close to the electrified fence.

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Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



xpost come on. No one’s allowed to use chemical weapons. Except the US, and all its allies, pretty much constantly

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Rutibex posted:

oh also i think russia has chemical weapons. those are theoretically "less bad" than nuclear? :shrug:

pretty sure those are another scare thing and not actually "real" so to speak. I mean they exist but they're not worse than conventional bombing

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/MayaSashenka/status/1588925101776711680

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

aiming my single bow with the angle of a howitzer, definitely not just for instagram

Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



Lahk Unglas what do your orc eyes see

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Rutibex posted:

oh also i think russia has chemical weapons. those are theoretically "less bad" than nuclear? :shrug:

OPCW said Russia destroyed theirs in 2017 under their CWC obligations, so I'm hoping they're correct.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


according to libya, this has poor long-term effects

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

i say swears online posted:

according to libya, this has poor long-term effects

lol, well, the CWC doesn't say poo poo about nukes.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

speng31b posted:

yeah, it's totally unrealistic, but as an opening point to negotiations it would be great to feel that the Ukrainians actually know it's unrealistic and aren't amping themselves up (with a healthy dose of western cheerleading) for insane unachievable hyper nationalistic goals of ethnic cleansing that will make it even harder to actually achieve something like peace

There's also the angle about comments like that being intended for internal consumption. Like when the DPRK talks about bathing the US in nuclear hellfire, that's mostly about speaking to people internally while nominally speaking directly to other countries. The nature of information and war is that we will never hear unvarnished assessments from anyone, and everyone is always propagandizing all the time, so trying to distinguish true belief and propaganda from statements is, at best, a fool's errand.

What is more important to watch for are what they do with their actual troops and resources. I think Ukraine would like to threaten Crimea, strategically that makes sense, and they might even make the occasional small attack in that direction, just to either try to catch Russia with its pants down or to keep Russian resources there tied up and not able to be deployed elsewhere, but until they start seriously massing troops and potentially giving up other, more winnable objectives, which I haven't seen any evidence of, it makes far more sense to interpret what they're saying about Crimea as a combination of red meat for the ultranationalists and something they can "give up" at the negotiation table.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Majorian posted:

Nah, that's a perfectly valid position to take IMO. Others may disagree and are free to argue against it, but it's not a particularly hot take.

Yeah, it's hard to look at the demographics and culture of Crimea pre-2014 (let alone after it) and make an argument it was culturally more aligned with Ukraine than Russia.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

risking a probe for this but Crimea is also historically Russian, at least according to the majority of the people who live there and also history as well as Russia itself

not really a hot take. crimea voted to remain with moscow (and then later independent) but ukrain invaded them and took away their self-determination.

Ukraine invalidating the self-determination of the Crimean people posted:

" On 20 January 1991, before the independence of Ukraine, the Crimeans were invited to choose by referendum between two options: to remain with Kiev or to return to the pre-1954 situation and be administered by Moscow…. 93.6% of Crimeans agreed to be attached to Moscow….

On February 26, 1992, the Crimean parliament proclaimed the “Republic of Crimea” with the agreement of the Ukrainian government, which granted it the status of a self-governing republic. On 5 May 1992, Crimea declared its independence and adopted a Constitution….

….on 17 March 1995, it [Ukraine] forcibly abolished the Crimean Constitution. It sent its special forces to overthrow Yuri Mechkov, President of Crimea, and de facto annexed the Republic of Crimea, thus triggering popular demonstrations for the attachment of Crimea to Russia. An event hardly reported by the Western media."
it's also within living memory that crimea was 'added' to ukraine in the soviet era as part of a hkrushchev project


should add it wasnt' really that big of deal because russian ethnicity was largely left untouched and had a relatively decent trading relationship between the two countries before US did the violent coup in 2014 and armed up far-right neo-nazi groups and then all hell broke loss with what could be constituted 'genocide' under a liberal framework definition of the russian ethnicity in the eastern regions.

Xaris has issued a correction as of 21:02 on Nov 5, 2022

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

Azathoth posted:

Yeah, it's hard to look at the demographics and culture of Crimea pre-2014 (let alone after it) and make an argument it was culturally more aligned with Ukraine than Russia.

Well the solution is to just not look at those things.

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

lobster shirt posted:

its always better to think about trains than to think about war

Wow, an Eichmann quote in the tankie thread, why am I not surprised?

PoontifexMacksimus has issued a correction as of 21:09 on Nov 5, 2022

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
it is ukraine's right to take crimea as reparations for land lost in the soviet chernobyl exclusion zone

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Al-Saqr posted:

that would be pretty loving dire if they had to evacuate three million people out of Kiev, not even the Iraqis evacuated Baghdad when the Americans knocked out the power.

Seems very unrealistic, especially if the power grid collapses completely.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Wow, an Eichmann quote in the tankie thread, why am I not surprised?

lmao, damning indeed!

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

trying to make a map of what provinces were added to germany when but my computer keeps running out of ram

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

i say swears online posted:

aiming my single bow with the angle of a howitzer, definitely not just for instagram

this is the much vaunted Swedish "Archer" artillery system

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

V. Illych L. posted:

i think this is the thread where people suggested unity of command was a good game to play and while this is true i keep getting completely owned by two german armoured divisions when i try to do the optional objectives in operation overlord

considering just not trying to secure the bridge to belgium or w/e

Depending on your budget of time and money I would almost recommend playing through UoC 1 first, the system is a lot more bare bones, but it does feel like UoC 2 was partially designed to be a step up in challenge for veterans of 1, partially because 2 gives you so many more specialised tools and scenarios that can be won win those tools; in UoC 1 you are really just working with the basics of movement and supply lines - less stressful

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Breakfast All Day posted:

trying to make a map of what provinces were added to germany when but my computer keeps running out of ram

lmao

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

OctaMurk posted:

this is the much vaunted Swedish "Archer" artillery system

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Majorian posted:

I suspect there's a bit of a game of telephone going on here, because 800,000 is a third of Crimea's total population. Or just the usual ethnonationalist big talk that the Daily Mail loves. Either way, in the unlikely event that Ukraine retakes Crimea, I strongly doubt their military will be in any position to undertake such a mass deportation.

e: there would be a hell of a lot of refugees though, so I dunno, maybe that's what they're talking about?
lead nazi biletsky's cited figure of 40,000+ azov members can probably figure out something

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Rutibex posted:

they could go full USA on the cities of ukraine with normal bombs

I don’t think they want to risk their backfires against nato AA missiles of any age unless nukes were flying

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Saw this while catching up on the pictures thread, not sure if it was already posted

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Raskolnikov38 posted:

I don’t think they want to risk their backfires against nato AA missiles of any age unless nukes were flying

are you telling me that a russian carpetbombing campaign might . . . backfire?

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)


free Animal's Trash

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Saw this while catching up on the pictures thread, not sure if it was already posted

this seems legit until the last step

i mean, who would actually want the crown of england at this point?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Saw this while catching up on the pictures thread, not sure if it was already posted

Putting it up in the 2nd op. Tyvm, extremely illustrative.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

all weapons are made from chemicals

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

except the neutron bomb. that’s just neutrons

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

OctaMurk posted:

are you telling me that a russian carpetbombing campaign might . . . backfire?

stop badgering Raskolnikov38

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

euphronius posted:

all weapons are made from chemicals

lasers, sonics, lightsabers. mods ban this dezinformatsiya (also a nonchemical weapon!)

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Train post.

https://twitter.com/akamyshin/status/1588940542817488896?s=46&t=wRQHq9J9MH66pmNp8LJSGw

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

i commend ukraine on inventing the train. at this rate theyll unlock combustion in just a few turns

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Cerebral Bore posted:

this seems legit until the last step

i mean, who would actually want the crown of england at this point?

crown of england fills 23 tiles and its worth 2 victory points. great early game if you can get it, but its hard to fit it into your treasure puzzle late game

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

speng31b posted:

https://twitter.com/legion_svoboda/status/1588903546027913217

seems like this AFU legion of supposed Russian defectors (an intelligence op) is taking responsibility for blowing up a fuel train in Yekaterinburg, on the opposite side of Russia from the border with Ukraine

real highs and lows for the rwa guy im sure

Comrade Koba posted:

new vlasov army just dropped

In case anyone doubted this account's moral integrity and dedication to liberating Russia, they tweeted in celebration when a Sukhoi jet crashed into an apartment building in Yeysk in the Kuban area of Russia, finding the dead civilians guilty of the crime of... living too close to a military air base. Including the children, presumably. Tweet has a video of a burning building so putting it behind spoilers, but here is the very sane text:

quote:

🔥Yeysk is the home to Russia's 1st Guards Composite Aviation Division, which obliterated the city of Mariupol along with its citizens in the early months of the war. Yet no one in Yeysk stood against that atrocity.
What goes around, comes around, and Karma is a bitch.

https://twitter.com/legion_svoboda/status/1582390044865990657?s=20&t=WLyVN7WAzJkE7ZuZSlu1WQ

Al-Jazeera story on it:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/17/aircraft-crashes-into-russian-residential-building-in-yeysk-city

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

In case anyone doubted this account's moral integrity and dedication to liberating Russia, they tweeted in celebration when a Sukhoi jet crashed into an apartment building in Yeysk in the Kuban area of Russia, finding the dead civilians guilty of the crime of... living too close to a military air base. Including the children, presumably. Tweet has a video of a burning building so putting it behind spoilers, but here is the very sane text:

Ick. They seem like absolute delights.:hmmno: (thanks for spoilering btw)


I like the paint job.

Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



euphronius posted:

except the neutron bomb. that’s just neutrons

that Weirdos song ftw

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speng31b
May 8, 2010

Azathoth posted:

There's also the angle about comments like that being intended for internal consumption. Like when the DPRK talks about bathing the US in nuclear hellfire, that's mostly about speaking to people internally while nominally speaking directly to other countries. The nature of information and war is that we will never hear unvarnished assessments from anyone, and everyone is always propagandizing all the time, so trying to distinguish true belief and propaganda from statements is, at best, a fool's errand.

yeah, a lot of that is pretty clearly for internal consumption. as I said, the issue is that the longer the conflict goes on and the more opportunities for negotiation are missed, that internal propaganda has the effect of making it harder to open reasonable negotiations because the nationalist elements being empowered by the consumption of that internal propaganda do things like we've already seen, such as excommunicating or assassinating people who don't take the hard line stance. saying "it's all just for internal consumption, don't worry" only matters if there are rational actors in control and insane nationalists aren't being increasingly empowered

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