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What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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one of the problems with propaganda is that if you keep at it for too long you risk starting to believe your own bullshit, and i'm p sure that this has happened to some degree with the ukrainian leadership
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Nov 5, 2022 22:05
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:risking a probe for this but Crimea is also historically Russian, at least according to the majority of the people who live there and also history as well as Russia itself Risking the wrath of the Demiurge and all his Archons to speak this truth: Budjak is Romania.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:09
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:In case anyone doubted this account's moral integrity and dedication to liberating Russia, they tweeted in celebration when a Sukhoi jet crashed into an apartment building in Yeysk in the Kuban area of Russia, finding the dead civilians guilty of the crime of... living too close to a military air base. Including the children, presumably. Tweet has a video of a burning building so putting it behind spoilers, but here is the very sane text: they literally always say the quiet part out loud. it's like some kind of axiom. half of my posts in this thread are just "here's them saying the quiet part out loud." speng31b has issued a correction as of 22:20 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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Nov 5, 2022 22:13
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Cerebral Bore posted:one of the problems with propaganda is that if you keep at it for too long you risk starting to believe your own bullshit, and i'm p sure that this has happened to some degree with the ukrainian leadership a lot of countries have been stuck in the room with their own propaganda 24/7 since mass produced audio/video media really took off in the 50s/60s and it loving owns
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Nov 5, 2022 22:15
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hey quick question how quickly would I be permabanned and buried underneath Guantanamo if i openly celebrated aircraft crashing into civilian buildings killing innocent people and said the Americans had it coming because nobody in New York stood against against American imperialism and support for Israel. because that’s what that Twitter freak is doing except he’s white and the target is Russian civilians.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:17
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haha imagine someone on the forums somethingawful.com making fun of 9/11
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Nov 5, 2022 22:18
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Al-Saqr posted:hey quick question how quickly would I be permabanned and buried underneath Guantanamo if i openly celebrated aircraft crashing into civilian buildings killing innocent people and said the Americans had it coming because nobody in New York stood against against American imperialism and support for Israel. because that’s what that Twitter freak is doing except he’s white and the target is Russian civilians. mocking America's response to 9/11 is a hallowed tradition on SA, so I feel like it probability depends on how you went about it
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Nov 5, 2022 22:21
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Majorian posted:Because retaking Crimea seems so self-evidently strategically unfeasible from my perspective. The Russian government and media claim they're pursuing a lot of crazy maximalist goals themselves; that doesn't mean they actually, truly believe they can achieve those goals. Revanchist nationalism: an ideology known for consideration of feasibility
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Nov 5, 2022 22:21
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speng31b posted:mocking 9/11 is a hallowed tradition on SA, so I feel like it probability depends on how you went about it you know what I mean, I’m just pointing out that that Twitter guy is a class A psycho for celebrating civilian deaths and saying that Russians deserve to die for not ‘standing up’ to putin or whatever.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:23
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Majorian posted:Putting it up in the 2nd op. Tyvm, extremely illustrative. Glad to be able to contribute to the fight against Norman disinformation 👍
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Nov 5, 2022 22:23
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just a reminder, US has been waging a proxy war in ethiopia that has killed tens of thousands of people and displaced millions more. of course you won't hear about it in the west because the people have the wrong skin color, and also it's america doing the killings. one of the interesting thigns is that elon sacked the "humans right team" at twitter who were the regime change wing of the us intelligence agencies quote:Shannon Raj Singh @ShannonRSingh - 17:58 UTC · Nov 4, 2022 
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Nov 5, 2022 22:27
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Al-Saqr posted:you know what I mean, I’m just pointing out that that Twitter guy is a class A psycho for celebrating civilian deaths and saying that Russians deserve to die for not ‘standing up’ to putin or whatever. oh yeah, for sure. i think the main point of posting that tweet was to show that that the group tweeting it is the dumbest possible Ukrainian intelligence op pretending to be Russian defectors. A real Russian defector unit wouldn't be tweeting stuff like that. like the "hello fellow defectors" buscemi meme basically
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Nov 5, 2022 22:28
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The Oldest Man posted:Revanchist nationalism: an ideology known for consideration of feasibility I haven't seen anything in this war so far to convince me that the governments involved aren't rational actors.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:31
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Majorian posted:I haven't seen anything in this war so far to convince me that the governments involved aren't rational actors.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:32
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Majorian posted:I haven't seen anything in this war so far to convince me that the governments involved aren't rational actors. I personally think the fact that negotiations haven't been seriously attempted and the war is still escalating is evidence of that.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:33
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If you have any counterexamples they're welcome! speng31b posted:I personally think the fact that negotiations haven't been seriously attempted and the war is still escalating is evidence of that. I think the fact that negotiations haven't seriously been attempted is evidence that NATO is more in the driver's seat than the Ukrainian government is.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:34
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Counter examples to what?
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Nov 5, 2022 22:35
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Xaris posted:just a reminder, US has been waging a proxy war in ethiopia that has killed tens of thousands of people and displaced millions more. of course you won't hear about it in the west because the people have the wrong skin color, and also it's america doing the killings. Wasn't there a truce for the Tigray War recently?
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Nov 5, 2022 22:35
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Lostconfused posted:Counter examples to what? To my belief that the governments involved in this war are rational actors. CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:Wasn't there a truce for the Tigray War recently? Yup.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:35
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The Crimea story strikes me as a Ukrainian version of that lady that does nothing but watch Russian cable TV and tweets about how some dipshit just said they're going to need to flay all the Ukrainians when they win or something. Like, someone did say it, and they even maybe meant it, but it's red meat for the base ala Fox News to grandpas.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:36
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CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:Wasn't there a truce for the Tigray War recently? A day or two ago yes. edit: The joke here is that this is the new truce after the old one was broken
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Nov 5, 2022 22:36
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Majorian posted:Because retaking Crimea seems so self-evidently strategically unfeasible from my perspective. The Russian government and media claim they're pursuing a lot of crazy maximalist goals themselves; that doesn't mean they actually, truly believe they can achieve those goals. Actually, now that you mention it. What maximalist goal is the Russian government claiming? I remember the initial war goals, but what are they saying now?
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Nov 5, 2022 22:37
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Majorian posted:I think the fact that negotiations haven't seriously been attempted is evidence that NATO is more in the driver's seat than the Ukrainian government is. Allowing NATO to destroy your country is a pretty weird definition of rational. And if they have no agency then arguing about rationality is pointless anyways. They probably don't have much, I'm leaning towards that myself.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:37
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Xaris posted:just a reminder, US has been waging a proxy war in ethiopia that has killed tens of thousands of people and displaced millions more. of course you won't hear about it in the west because the people have the wrong skin color, and also it's america doing the killings. Is there more info on this? Genuinely curious
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Nov 5, 2022 22:39
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SourKraut posted:Is there more info on this? Genuinely curious the tigray were and are the state department's preferred rulers of ethiopia, but disappointingly they held a free election and the much larger ethnic groups suddenly became more represented through magic or something, and that's bad the civil war kicked off shortly after the 2021 election
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Nov 5, 2022 22:42
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genericnick posted:Actually, now that you mention it. What maximalist goal is the Russian government claiming? I remember the initial war goals, but what are they saying now? Russia being able to successfully integrate all of the regions it's officially annexed looks like it could be a tall order going forward. Beyond that, I don't think the Kremlin has dropped its stated war aim of "demilitarizing" Ukraine, and that also probably isn't going to be feasible anytime soon. speng31b posted:Allowing NATO to destroy your country is a pretty weird definition of rational. Well, first of all, I don't think they see it as NATO destroying their country. But secondly, and more importantly, governments' chief motivation tends to be staying in power, not keeping their country from being ravaged. That's been true of governments throughout history. Majorian has issued a correction as of 22:46 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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Nov 5, 2022 22:43
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Majorian posted:Russia being able to successfully integrate all of the regions it's officially annexed looks like it could be a tall order going forward. Beyond that, I don't think the Kremlin has dropped its stated war aim of "demilitarizing" Ukraine, and that also probably isn't going to be feasible anytime soon. demilitarizing ukraine will happen when the west has to sell their surplus equipment rather than donate it to ukraine
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Nov 5, 2022 22:45
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lol Azov oligarch saying this poo poo. Although he could be just stabbing Zelensky in the back here. Yeah I know this is a few days old now, I didn't watch it until now, sorry.Резидент posted:
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Nov 5, 2022 22:47
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redneck nazgul posted:demilitarizing ukraine will happen when the west has to sell their surplus equipment rather than donate it to ukraine It's going to be quite a while before that happens, if it does, I'm sorry to say.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:48
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speng31b posted:Allowing NATO to destroy your country is a pretty weird definition of rational. And if they have no agency then arguing about rationality is pointless anyways. They probably don't have much, I'm leaning towards that myself. its rational for the ruling classes because they an always gently caress off to the west with all their stolen lucre
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Nov 5, 2022 22:49
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Cerebral Bore posted:its rational for the ruling classes because they an always gently caress off to the west with all their stolen lucre yeah that's for sure. Lil Z is the best asset the CIA had recruited for quite awhile, and he'll be a forever celeb assuming his own country's hard liners who buy the propaganda don't pop him when the west has finally had enough and forces them to call it quits
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Nov 5, 2022 22:52
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i say swears online posted:the tigray were and are the state department's preferred rulers of ethiopia, but disappointingly they held a free election and the much larger ethnic groups suddenly became more represented through magic or something, and that's bad pretty weird that the US State Depsrtment has its fingers in every travesty of justice all throughout the world.. oh well, surely they’re finally right about Ukraine being the epic good guys
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Nov 5, 2022 22:53
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:pretty weird that the US State Depsrtment has its fingers in every travesty of justice all throughout the world.. oh well, surely they’re finally right about Ukraine being the epic good guys it goes back to the cold war and the US is desperately trying to wash their hands of this whole thing
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Nov 5, 2022 22:55
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Cerebral Bore posted:one of the problems with propaganda is that if you keep at it for too long you risk starting to believe your own bullshit, and i'm p sure that this has happened to some degree with the ukrainian leadership the defining characteristic of 21st century politics is everyone believing their own propaganda because its all they consume so that bodes well I'm sure.
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Nov 5, 2022 22:59
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https://twitter.com/tvtoront/status/1588996695790002176 I don't think anyone bothers to mention if the power plant is working at all, but that's not important I guess.
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Nov 5, 2022 23:00
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Majorian posted:Well, first of all, I don't think they see it as NATO destroying their country. But secondly, and more importantly, governments' chief motivation tends to be staying in power, not keeping their country from being ravaged. That's been true of governments throughout history. the thing I said was irrational is not taking opportunities to open negotiations and deescalate. I think we're past the point any negotiations would include regime change, so that's not it. What I'm saying is that it's probably a combination of nationalist hardliners being empowered threatening their own government from within and NATO providing incentives to keep going from without that keep negotiations off the table. I don't think that's a super controversial take so I'm not sure what you're arguing about tbh
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Nov 5, 2022 23:02
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i say swears online posted:it goes back to the cold war and the US is desperately trying to wash their hands of this whole thing yeah this is one conflict where no one really wanted to get involved. Ethiopia has also been a pretty good ally to the US in the "War on Terror"
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Nov 5, 2022 23:02
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The negotiations will include regime change. For Russia. 
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Nov 5, 2022 23:03
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speng31b posted:the thing I said was irrational is not taking opportunities to open negotiations and deescalate. I think we're past the point any negotiations would include regime change, so that's not it. What I'm saying is that it's probably a combination of nationalist hardliners being empowered threatening their own government from within and NATO providing incentives to keep going from without that keep negotiations off the table. I don't think that's a super controversial take so I'm not sure what you're arguing about tbh We got to this point in the conversation because we all had been talking about whether or not Ukraine thinks it can actually retake Crimea anytime soon. My point is, I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that they've bought that much into their own hype. It's possible they have; I'm just challenging the notion that it's a given.
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Nov 5, 2022 23:08
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Majorian posted:We got to this point in the conversation because we all had been talking about whether or not Ukraine thinks it can actually retake Crimea anytime soon. My point is, I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that they've bought that much into their own hype. It's possible they have; I'm just challenging the notion that it's a given. yeah, i think you're maybe mixing up what I'm saying with a bunch of other people posting stuff. I think the rhetoric is real enough that a lot of nationalist hardliners believe it, which is one element of a larger ecosystem of insane poo poo including collaborator purges that makes the situation worse from the standpoint of possible de-escalation. them saying they want to retake crimea and purge all the ethnic Russians is part of that.
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Nov 5, 2022 23:14
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