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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I thought "malicious compliance" already described "quiet quitting." Is quiet quitting slightly more passive? No, "quiet quitting" is like "job creator" in that it's needlessly euphemistic in favor of capital. All it really means is "this person isn't doing more than I'm paying them for and isn't ashamed of it." Where malicious compliance is a tactical action on the part of the worker.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I thought "malicious compliance" already described "quiet quitting." Is quiet quitting slightly more passive? Malicious compliance is "I will do my job the is technically according to the rules, but in such a way as to slow things down and be annoying as much as possible" Quiet quitting is just "I will do my job without volunteering to do extra work for free"
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Nov 5, 2022 17:45
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Quiet quitting is I will do the exact minimum it takes to not be fired.
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Dameius posted:Quiet quitting is I will do the exact minimum it takes to not be fired. It is not even that, it is literally just "not going over the maximum requirements of my job and doing extra work for free" quote:Paige West, 24, said she stopped overextending herself at a former position as a transportation analyst in Washington, D.C., less than a year into the job. Work stress had gotten so intense that, she said, her hair was falling out and she couldn’t sleep. While looking for a new role, she no longer worked beyond 40 hours each week, didn’t sign up for extra training and stopped trying to socialize with colleagues. Piell fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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Nov 5, 2022 17:56
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I didn't know we needed a new term for "having boundaries" but here we are.
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All of these things (quiet quitting, malicious compliance, and work to rule) involve not taking the little shortcuts and extra miles that are seen as a worker's obligation in the modern industrial economy. It's a rolling back of the gentle pressure that's been exerted over a very long time to get workers to do more work without increased compensation. But because this has been normalized for so long, it's easy to present as working less and less hard than you're "supposed" toErshalim posted:No, "quiet quitting" is like "job creator" in that it's needlessly euphemistic in favor of capital. All it really means is "this person isn't doing more than I'm paying them for and isn't ashamed of it." Where malicious compliance is a tactical action on the part of the worker. Yeah, the difference is whether it's being done to intentionally harm the bosses or just to serve yourself and your own career. It's also been normalized that changing jobs is a big, disruptive, scary, melodramatic process, and quiet quitting is a step towards undoing that
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Malicious compliance is a distinct concept; Piell's got a pretty good sense of the distinction, and it can scale up to full organizational sabotage. It's not necessarily in an employment or employee-management context, and it can have positive or negative forms, depending on the organization.
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Rakeris posted:I've always wondered how often the oral arguments have any effect on the outcome of the decisions, if ever. When I used to listen to the arguments on occasion, it sometimes felt like they were trying to ask questions to poke at their fellow justices. When I was clerking (many years ago for a state appellate court only) the judges already had their opinions written before oral arguments. About one time in ten oral arguments caused a significant rewrite. Maybe one in twenty an actual change in the outcome.
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Nov 5, 2022 18:18
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Malicious Compliance is its own thing; Quiet Quitting is a managerial way to demonize Work to Rule which is the labor concept of doing your job as described to you, no more/no less. Work to Rule is a concept from labor organization movements and, frankly, what most people should be held to. My mother in law's school district has been working without a contract for 2 years and the teachers union just authorized Working to Rule. She doesn't have to work anything past the normal school day now, no more pre and post dismissal prep etc, and the admin is already working to demonize the teachers for working only the 40hrs they are contractually obligated to work.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I didn't know we needed a new term for "having boundaries" but here we are. As far as I can tell, it was just a Tiktok meme. The business class went absolutely wild that things like "work-life balance" and "don't work extra hours to impress your boss" were going viral among the zoomers, and the media caught on to their distress and pumped out clickbait about quiet quitting for months, merging it into the trend of whipping up generational conflict by baffling the boomers with the excesses of those lazy entitled kids these days.
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Nov 5, 2022 18:49
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over half of the jobs i've ever had tried to trick you out of 'quiet quitting' and get you to do extra work just to prove yourself to the hustle culture evangelists of the company
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You’ll get a 2.5% raise until the heat death of the universe at my company, u til you hit the VP level and above. Why work harder?
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JUST MAKING CHILI posted:You’ll get a 2.5% raise until the heat death of the universe at my company, u til you hit the VP level and above. Why work harder? When was the last year that wasn't a pay cut lmao
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I thought "malicious compliance" already described "quiet quitting." Is quiet quitting slightly more passive? Malicious compliance is strictly following the letter of the law and not doing any of the streamlining that normally occurs to make things run smoothly. Quiet quitting is a bullshit management term to make ‘I’m no longer going to perform any duties outside of my job description so you get free labor and don’t have to hire someone to fill the gaps left from people who quit’ sound bad.
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Capitalists are still grappling with the term
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Oracle posted:Malicious compliance is strictly following the letter of the law and not doing any of the streamlining that normally occurs to make things run smoothly. Yeah, as I recall even the article that brought the term to into the mainstream used it specifically to describe people just quietly doing competent work while simply not volunteering for dumb nonsense beyond their job description: quote:Rather than working late on a Friday evening, organising the annual team-building trip to Slough or volunteering to supervise the boss’s teenager on work experience, the quiet quitters are avoiding the above and beyond, the hustle culture mentality, or what psychologists call “occupational citizenship behaviours”.
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Right; the capital class is used to people doing all of that dumb bullshit with the illusion that it will lead to greater pay or a promotion. They’re just upset because people are realizing that it’s a scam and not doing free extra work anymore
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Lol, “occupational citizenship” is unpaid overtime and giving your boss free babysitting?
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Stickman posted:Lol, “occupational citizenship” is unpaid overtime and giving your boss free babysitting? notice a lot of it is social/emotional labor that almost always falls on women in the workforce. Birthday party planning, trips, the office halloween costume party, supervising kids on 'take your child to work day' poo poo like that. its bullshit and past time this was handed off to HR.
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, as I recall even the article that brought the term to into the mainstream used it specifically to describe people just quietly doing competent work while simply not volunteering for dumb nonsense beyond their job description: How dare employees not spend extra, unpaid, time training their boss's kid so they can maximize the nepotism?
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Kalman posted:You know he’s been asking questions again for a few years now, right? Yes, now that he doesn't have Scalia to ask his questions for him.
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Wow https://mobile.twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1593964928120954880
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That explains why nothing happened about the "gravest most unforgivable sin". Digging too hard would have spilled the beans on too many other leaks.
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Even if he admits to it he knows he’d never be removed from the bench. It’d be fun to get him under oath though. Shame the Dems lost congress. Would’ve been nice for he NYT to do the right thing for a change and post this before the election but that’s mean helping Dems instead of the GOP.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Even if he admits to it he knows he’d never be removed from the bench. It’d be fun to get him under oath though. Shame the Dems lost congress. Would’ve been nice for he NYT to do the right thing for a change and post this before the election but that’s mean helping Dems instead of the GOP. It would have not helped the Dems at all. At best it would have been a nonfactor, and at worst it might have been a confusing "inside baseball" distraction taking focus off the issues that the Dems were doing well in.
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I don't think it would have distracted at all, and it's just another case of the NYT suppressing a story until after an election. Not that there would have been any accountability for Alito's actions to be clear.
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Meanwhile, three weeks ago: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/25/poli...es%20at%20risk. Alito calls leak of Supreme Court draft opinion overturning Roe a ‘grave betrayal’ that endangered some justices
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Meanwhile, three weeks ago:
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Simple question, Is there really anyway to terminate Alito? I'm assuming even if he did come out saying he leaked it, it's not he'd even be charged with a crime?
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Death, stepping down or 60 senators + house
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Simple question, The only ways for a justice to leave office, under the Constitution: -Death -Resignation/retirement -Impeachment. Conviction for an ordinary crime is not enough, they have to be convicted in a Senate impeachment trial This was supposed to motivate the country to be very careful and sure about who we entrust that office to. We were doing pretty well for a while, but near the end of the 20th century we took our eye off the ball and now it could take decades to fix.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Simple question, Technically Supreme Court Justices can be impeached as they hold their seats only "during good behavior," but as Slaan and haveblue mention above doing so is prohibitively difficult. A grand total of one (Samuel Chase) has ever even been impeached, which was way back in 1790 when the functioning of the government was still a lot squishier and hadn't ossified like long since has these days, and he ended up winning acquittal.
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Unless a miracle happens, it seems like we're going to have a string of awful SCOTUS ruling for a long, long time. 
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Unless a miracle happens, it seems like we're going to have a string of awful SCOTUS ruling for a long, long time. The miracle would have to be pretty awful on its face
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The miracle is called court packing and the Dems have made it clear that is not an option they want to consider, even though the GOP has been gaming the system for years and is in the process of destroying all precedent they don't like.
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It’s more likely that one or more of them drop dead during a Democratic president/senate period than any of them get impeached or resign
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The miracle would have to be pretty awful on its face Yeah it really sucks not being able to hope for good things.
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I agree with this, but what could Robert's really have done. Just said "Alito did it, shame on him"? https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1594017885092995072
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Is there really anyway to terminate Alito? Probably not legally while he's in the USA, but if Biden was able to convince him to visit a cafe in Yemen
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Charlz Guybon posted:I agree with this, but what could Robert's really have done. Just said "Alito did it, shame on him"? Roberts could endorse Alito being impeached. He could also block Alito from ever writing a majority opinion in which Roberts shares (which Roberts can use to ensure Alito never gets to write another opinion). He also has a bunch of other administrative power over the operation of SCOTUS; I'd need to do more research, but he can probably use this authority, directly or indirectly through other staff he selects, to make Alito practically unable to function on the court. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 20, 2022 |
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