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🦋 | 15 | 3.71% | |
🦇 | 115 | 28.47% | |
🪰 | 12 | 2.97% | |
🐦 | 67 | 16.58% | |
dragonfly | 94 | 23.27% | |
🦟 | 14 | 3.47% | |
🐝 | 87 | 21.53% | |
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Lostconfused posted:That's actually supposedly only the US position even. At least Rezident keeps posting about how Zelensky refuses to negotiate at all. While nobody knows what Kremlin is thinking and all the pro russians are constantly doing the alsaqr about another betrayal. True, but in that case, it also signals that the US doesn't think the Ukrainians are getting Kherson. You usually don't propose a demand that you think your ally could accomplish on their own. speng31b posted:well, you have to keep in mind it's the US saying this stuff, you'd need a crystal ball to guess what Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government think is realistic. Yeah, getting Kherson back probably wouldn't be enough to satisfy the more extreme elements in both the Ukrainian government/military/paramilitary forces. In addition, this is assuming the Russians are even interested in negotiating. The US does have a issue though in that the war is growing more unpopular at home and in Europe, and that domestic issues are very soon going to be the focus of attention in the the states. In addition, with the Senate possibly switching hands, Biden administration may not have the leverage they once did to force war-funding bills without significant concessions. Biden may want to "turn this thing off" with a proposal that no one actually wants.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:01 |
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Canada has the only kilted Irish Regiment in the world, and the Irish Regiment wears the caubeen (same headdress as the Ulster Defence Regiment), just to give you an idea.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:05 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I was thinking about a good way to explain what happened in terms readily comparable to the English-speaking world and I think I have one. Theres a disconnect between people who understand irishness as "morally acceptable whiteness", the kiss me im irish crowd. and people who understand the irish role in the empire. The British Empire is a long time period, people who happened to be from the same place but with different class interests may well end up being both heroes and villains, historically speaking. What FF is talking about here is comes from the Plantations of the Elizabethan and Cromwellian periods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland So the children of these planters take up the roles of landowners, aristocrats and warriors in the time period to come. Eventually you have a distinct identity the scots irish and the generally less fearsome Anglo-Irish, these are the people who would have had meaningful power as administrators and legbreakers within the Empire itself. These people are a distinct class from what would go on the be known as "Catholic Irish". The catholic irish were the people who provided the labour power in Ireland and across the empire as wanted. I.e. (Non commissioned) Soldiers, builders, indentured servants, maids, cleaners and hookers. Worth noting that the anglo irish would also produce the much of the leadership and the big thinkers in the IRB. So when people break things down for you in a simplistic sectarian way just hold up your hand and say Theobald Wolfe Tone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:08 |
Ardennes posted:True, but in that case, it also signals that the US doesn't think the Ukrainians are getting Kherson. You usually don't propose a demand that you think your ally could accomplish on their own.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:08 |
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Ardennes posted:In addition, with the Senate possibly switching hands, Biden administration may not have the leverage they once did to force war-funding bills without significant concessions. It's worth noting that polling from about 4 days ago shows clearly that among Republicans, who will likely retake the Senate, opinion has shifted dramatically against war funding in recent months. https://thehill.com/homenews/3717304-more-republicans-opposed-to-continued-ukraine-aid-survey/ quote:The poll, published Thursday, found that 48 percent of registered Republican respondents said that they believe the U.S. is doing too much to help Ukraine fend off the invasion from its neighbor, up from only 6 percent earlier this year.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:08 |
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speng31b posted:well, you have to keep in mind it's the US saying this stuff, you'd need a crystal ball to guess what Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government think is realistic. It's not really clear to me what the offer is supposed to be. Russia gives up territory it still controls, stops its attacks on infrastructure and gets???? Frosted Flake posted:Canada has the only kilted Irish Regiment in the world, and the Irish Regiment wears the caubeen (same headdress as the Ulster Defence Regiment), just to give you an idea. Lmao. History is cool. genericnick has issued a correction as of 18:14 on Nov 7, 2022 |
# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:09 |
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Frosted Flake posted:Canada has the only kilted Irish Regiment in the world, and the Irish Regiment wears the caubeen (same headdress as the Ulster Defence Regiment), just to give you an idea. so nice to see living history
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:09 |
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Azathoth posted:eh, I think everyone involves understands that this funding is highly bipartisan and will continue no matter what, at least at the levels where negotiation is actually happening. there's a possibility that continued funding is an issue for trump in 2024 but given the margins by which all the bills have passed so far, i don't think there's an appetite on either side to turn off the money tap right now, and until trump steps up and leads the charge, no one in congress has the guts to lead that particular charge I am more skeptical about "no matter what" in the sense the Republicans are going to have a lot of leverage and if polling is pushing against war funding they may make a move to demand concessions. They know the administration needs the funding, and they have a laundry list of their wildest dreams. Also, the Republicans are going to want to blame Biden for everything going "wrong" across the next 2 years and it war funding may provide an opportunity for them to speak up. Obviously, the US has bet a lot on this and they don't want to walk away without a result that is acceptable them.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:18 |
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Ardennes posted:I am more skeptical about "no matter what" in the sense the Republicans are going to have a lot of leverage and if polling is pushing against war funding they may make a move to demand concessions. They know the administration needs the funding, and they have a laundry list of their wildest dreams. I agree with this take. The Republicans in power won't actually want to be any less bloodthirsty, but the polling among their voters has taken a clear turn here, at least from the funding standpoint. I think they're going to play both sides on this one extremely heavily for the next 2 years, assuming the conflict continues that long.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:20 |
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fits my needs posted:saw this at school dropping-off this morning, slava ukraini I would love to live in a place where seeing a Ukraine bumper sticker on a car is a notable event. That's just normal, they're everywhere. Some have been on so long they are sun bleached now. I know one business on it's second Ukraine flag. The UPA flags are still flying but they never expanded outside the Ukrainian neighborhoods thankfully.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:22 |
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Azathoth posted:eh, I think everyone involves understands that this funding is highly bipartisan and will continue no matter what, at least at the levels where negotiation is actually happening. there's a possibility that continued funding is an issue for trump in 2024 but given the margins by which all the bills have passed so far, i don't think there's an appetite on either side to turn off the money tap right now, and until trump steps up and leads the charge, no one in congress has the guts to lead that particular charge Yeah the republicans would never use any sort of political leverage to get things that they want, ever, that's just not like them at all.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:22 |
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speng31b posted:The cynical (and quite probably correct) take is that the US sees public support for continued and escalated funding of the war fading, and wants to signal openness to negotiations to Ukraine as well as internal audiences so that public opinion doesn't fade faster than NATO can achieve its goals. But may or may not be actually open to said negotiation. That's more or less what I meant by PR. Keeping the West's civilian populations (especially those in Europe) happy about sending untold billions to Ukraine is every bit as critical to their war effort as rail lines and ammunition.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:23 |
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Oh my God It all makes sense now. e: Tricked by the wily Spaniards. Still weird that wikipedia has a template for the Ulster banner and Canadian flag combined though. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:32 on Nov 7, 2022 |
# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:25 |
Ardennes posted:I am more skeptical about "no matter what" in the sense the Republicans are going to have a lot of leverage and if polling is pushing against war funding they may make a move to demand concessions. They know the administration needs the funding, and they have a laundry list of their wildest dreams.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:25 |
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speng31b posted:for the next 2 years, assuming the conflict continues that long.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:26 |
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Frosted Flake posted:As with all things, looking at the literature on Georgia leads to people being more candid than they are about Ukraine. Specifically there is a good deal of anger that Georgia negotiated an end to the war: Blatant lying by the Atlantic Council. But I really appreciate how they just write it down.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:26 |
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speng31b posted:It's worth noting that polling from about 4 days ago shows clearly that among Republicans, who will likely retake the Senate, opinion has shifted dramatically against war funding in recent months. Public opinion has no impact on US foreign policy. If the relevant parts of the US state want to keep waging the war then the GOP will be made to fall in line. DeSantis specifically has a lot of Blob affiliates around him so he will get his faction on board. Trump, as always, is a bit more of a wild card but we know he'll cave under enough pressure from the rest of the ruling class.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:26 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:Public opinion has no impact on US foreign policy. you can just say policy.
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Frosted Flake posted:Oh my God Just to head off any confusion for anyone lurking or whatever, this is Spanish Galicia, not the region of Galicia that sits between Poland and Ukraine.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:29 |
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Loucks posted:you can just say policy.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:29 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:Public opinion has no impact on US foreign policy. If the relevant parts of the US state want to keep waging the war then the GOP will be made to fall in line. DeSantis specifically has a lot of Blob affiliates around him so he will get his faction on board. I also think it's a fig leaf and they'll do what they always do, but if polling continues to trend away from war funding that will have some impact down the line.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:30 |
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Majorian posted:Just to head off any confusion for anyone lurking or whatever, this is Spanish Galicia, not the region of Galicia that sits between Poland and Ukraine. We need to start coming up with new names.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:31 |
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https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1589594865863905281 Ukraine's got a drone-killer. Good for them. \/\/\/lol\/\/\/
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:32 |
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Majorian posted:Just to head off any confusion for anyone lurking or whatever, this is Spanish Galicia, not the region of Galicia that sits between Poland and Ukraine. *Tears up his letter to the ADL asking the red maple leaf to be designated as a hate symbol*
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:32 |
Atrocious Joe posted:Public opinion has no impact on US foreign policy. If the relevant parts of the US state want to keep waging the war then the GOP will be made to fall in line. DeSantis specifically has a lot of Blob affiliates around him so he will get his faction on board. My operative theory about Trump is that he is not so much made to fall in line as someone relevant brings him in on the grift and then he's cool with it. That is, if someone shows him how to make money like LBJ's wife investing in a helicopter company (I think it was helicopters, I can't be bothered to check) and then LBJ going all in on Vietnam and buying a bunch of helicopters (or whatever it was), Trump is gonna get on board real fast, but if he doesn't get to wet his beak, he's gonna oppose it on the general principle that if it doesn't benefit him it's not worth doing.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:32 |
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Frosted Flake posted:We need to start coming up with new names. drat Celtic migrations! Yes, yes, pedants, I know, the EE Galicia name probably doesn't actually come from the Celts.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:33 |
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Azathoth posted:Republicans are less gung ho than Dems sure and yeah GOP leadership will use that to extract some concessions, but the idea that if put to a heads up vote the Republicans will vote against war funding is uh...well that's farfetched to me. Ukraine funding is a massive benefit to the MIC and they're as serious about cutting that off as Josh Hawley is about reining in corporate power. I think the Republicans are going to maintain party discipline and I doubt there will be a straight shutdown of any bill. That said, I doubt certainly see them start tinkering with the funding to bring it down less arms shipments (which are a small part of the bill) but probably more on the civilian/fiscal side. That and/or they give a little room for Biden on the bill funding itself but they attach a bunch of riders on it that make it so politically costly for the Democrats but gives the Republicans everything they want. Biden is going to sign any bill that touch his desk that satisfies military spending, but the Republicans can play around with it. The Republicans know they have the administration where they want it, and in that sense, giving some money to the MIC isn't that much of a push but it is just everything else that is up for grabs. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:39 on Nov 7, 2022 |
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Ardennes posted:That and/or they give a little room for Biden on the bill funding itself but they attach a bunch of riders on it that make it so politically costs for the Democrats but gives the Republicans everything they want. Biden is going to sign any bill that touch his desk that satisfies military spending, but the Republicans can play around with it. it's this quote:“I’m very supportive of Ukraine,” McCarthy said. “I think there has to be accountability going forward. … You always need, not a blank check, but make sure the resources are going to where it is needed. And make sure Congress, and the Senate, have the ability to debate it openly.”
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:37 |
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Frosted Flake posted:We need to start coming up with new names. Bring it up with Georgia
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:38 |
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Azathoth posted:My operative theory about Trump is that he is not so much made to fall in line as someone relevant brings him in on the grift and then he's cool with it. That is, if someone shows him how to make money like LBJ's wife investing in a helicopter company (I think it was helicopters, I can't be bothered to check) and then LBJ going all in on Vietnam and buying a bunch of helicopters (or whatever it was), Trump is gonna get on board real fast, but if he doesn't get to wet his beak, he's gonna oppose it on the general principle that if it doesn't benefit him it's not worth doing. Trump Organization 2 will get first option for any property on the Ukraine privatization site Don Jr. is gonna get the NAFO trademark Ivanka will have a new modelling agency that recruits from Ukrainian refugees
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:39 |
Ardennes posted:I think the Republicans are going to maintain party discipline and I doubt there will be a straight shutdown of any bill. That said, I doubt certainly see them start tinkering with the funding to bring it down less arms shipments (which are a small part of the bill) but probably more on the civilian/fiscal side. Yeah, I think we're broadly in agreement. I just sorta jump ahead and say that everyone knows the funding will get done, regardless of how that particular piece of sausage is made. I don't think anyone in Russian or Ukrainian leadership has any doubts that funding for Ukraine will happen and the numbers might ebb and flow a little bit, or take less direct "lethal aid" and more monetary stuff, but at the end of the day, that money is going over there in one form or another.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Trump Organization 2 will get first option for any property on the Ukraine privatization site Don Jr. becoming a NAFO dweeb would be the funniest goddamn thing ever
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:41 |
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, I think we're broadly in agreement. I just sorta jump ahead and say that everyone knows the funding will get done, regardless of how that particular piece of sausage is made. I don't think anyone in Russian or Ukrainian leadership has any doubts that funding for Ukraine will happen and the numbers might ebb and flow a little bit, or take less direct "lethal aid" and more monetary stuff, but at the end of the day, that money is going over there in one form or another. For now that's all correct, but if this keeps going towards the general election and the economy tanks from the fed's repeated intentional sabotage among other things, who knows. But that's tomorrow's speculation
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:44 |
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The US DoD just put out their new National Defense Strategy so we can look at what they say their priorities arequote:DEFENSE PRIORITIES If the military turns against more aid to Ukraine it's because they view it as a distraction from the main enemy. Here's more on China and Russia specfically quote:Strategic Competition with the People's Republic of China (PRC)
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:46 |
speng31b posted:For now that's all correct, but if this keeps going towards the general election and the economy tanks from the fed's repeated intentional sabotage among other things, who knows. But that's tomorrow's speculation Yeah, the real wildcard, as folks have pointed out, is what position Trump takes. For all we know, he's spent the last couple years investing heavily in Raytheon and LockMart and will go full in on nuclear war being a good thing or just as easily he could see Russia as a loser for not being able to conquer Ukraine outright and throw in with them because the brainworms were all leaning in a weird direction one day
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:48 |
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, I think we're broadly in agreement. I just sorta jump ahead and say that everyone knows the funding will get done, regardless of how that particular piece of sausage is made. I don't think anyone in Russian or Ukrainian leadership has any doubts that funding for Ukraine will happen and the numbers might ebb and flow a little bit, or take less direct "lethal aid" and more monetary stuff, but at the end of the day, that money is going over there in one form or another. Athe same time, the Biden administration probably doesn't want this thing to last forever. The Republicans are not going to cut him off completely, but "accountability" is going to be a tricky issue considering what we know about where arms shipments are actually going. I could see them giving Biden some "rope" initially and then raise hell when some weapons obviously go missing.
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:51 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I was thinking about a good way to explain what happened in terms readily comparable to the English-speaking world and I think I have one. as a corollary to this: a lot of the Scottish Gaels who emigrated to Canada were actually catholics and as late as WW2 were being repressed by the Canadian authorities because it was thought they were an IRA fifth column who would support Hitler, as a result canada rules, it's a loving mess
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:51 |
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It's worth noting that Republicans are already using Ukraine funding as a political attack: https://twitter.com/ErikSperling/status/1589307188216225793 Obviously the Republicans won't turn off the money spigot to the war machine, but it's going to have some interesting effects on America's domestic politics. I think the Ukrainian focus on integrating into the liberal consumer identity is going to hurt their liberal allies long term. The war is no longer an engaging media spectacle, demands to make sacrifices for Ukraine resonate less and less as conditions decay, and the bloodthirst the war propaganda has inspired in liberals is becoming genuinely creepy and alienating. Very few people are willing to risk dying in a nuclear war over Donetsk Oblast, and this position is becoming associated with liberals and their institutions like the Democratic party. Democrats are going to be stuck defending an increasingly unpopular war for a country fewer and fewer people care about, while Republicans can call for an end to the war (and then blame the deep state when they keep funding it).
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# ? Nov 7, 2022 18:54 |
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Finding any mention of this in English is impossible, and it's really difficult for me to scoure Ukrainian source to get any more info because even there it's not the hottest of topics.Резидент posted:The crisis in Ukraine's energy sector is growing. For example, a week ago, Naftogaz tried to stop gas supplies to the Trypilska thermal power plant (the most powerful in Kyiv Region), which during rolling blackouts across the country looks more like sabotage. Only the prompt intervention of the Office of the President made it possible to find a temporary solution to the problem of non-payments between state-owned Centrenergo and Naftogaz.
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John Charity Spring posted:as a corollary to this: a lot of the Scottish Gaels who emigrated to Canada were actually catholics and as late as WW2 were being repressed by the Canadian authorities because it was thought they were an IRA fifth column who would support Hitler, as a result To give people an idea of how the Troubles were reported here by the Paper of Record: October 13, 2001 posted:
That's right, one month after 9/11, our concern was the deadly Irish Republican Army. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:59 on Nov 7, 2022 |
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