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So coming in with points breakdown Sylvaneth 1275-1385 depending on how you built the box with 3 battleline units and 3 heroes. You also get 16 dryads so you are 4 short to make a 20 tree blob Stormcast 1260 with 2 non-conditional battleline units (10 man vanquishers, dragons require knight draconis and annihilators become battleline in knights excelsior) who due to being cheapest battleline unit sce have might finally see some play. Vigilators are kinda garbage despite minis being sweet Nighthaunt get only 1170 points with 1 unit of non-conditional battleline (harridans become battleline in quicksilver dead) Skaven give you 1320 and I know nothing of this army. Gitz are only 950 points with two battleline units (if you make loonboss on mangler your general) Kruleboyz have week offering with790- 830 points and two battleline units Daughters will get you around 870 points (picking the most expensive options) with one battleline (melusai can be made battleline as well) Covermeinsunshine fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Nov 7, 2022 |
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If you build the screaming bell you can get a bonus plague priest too to make monks batteline
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GIRL BRAINS posted:If you build the screaming bell you can get a bonus plague priest too to make monks batteline Alternatively, build a Furnace because they own and also do that.
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Covermeinsunshine posted:
Weak in points, but not in price. The Vulcha is very expensive and everything else will basically be free.
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Do those boxes usually end up on third party sites with the normal discount over MSRP? If so I might end up grabbing the Gloomspite one, planned on getting a couple Manglers anyway so I'd basically be getting some free squigs out of it.
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You can also get a plague wizard from the Skaven box if you build the bell, or a Grey seer if you build the plague engine.
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Everything in that Gitz box was also playable in 8th Ed WHFB, if you're Old World ambitious/curious. I imagine that TWO pairs of mangler squigs would be just as hilarious on an AoS table, though. E: you'll be missing core units and square bases, I just mean rules exist moths fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 7, 2022 |
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Do those boxes usually end up on third party sites with the normal discount over MSRP? If so I might end up grabbing the Gloomspite one, planned on getting a couple Manglers anyway so I'd basically be getting some free squigs out of it. They do, I bought the laat DoK box I mentioned from a British store. With the extra GW bakes into foreign prices and the strong dollar to pound I paid $130 after shipping.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:They do, I bought the laat DoK box I mentioned from a British store. With the extra GW bakes into foreign prices and the strong dollar to pound I paid $130 after shipping. Oh nice, which shops ship internationally? I'm usually able to find UK sellers on eBay for individual items, but for box sets and stuff it seems pretty rare and most actual stores can't ship outside of the UK apparently.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Oh nice, which shops ship internationally? I'm usually able to find UK sellers on eBay for individual items, but for box sets and stuff it seems pretty rare and most actual stores can't ship outside of the UK apparently. Look for stores that participate in the eBay global shipping program; since eBay does the shipping a lot of stores and whatnot can sell to people in any country. I utilized the weak pound and a foreign seller using the program to buy a Mortarian for less than 100 bucks.
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Are sylvaneth a hard army to play? I am interested in picking up the spooky tree box. e: Some context would probably help. I have 1000pts of fyreslayers but have only really played the skirmish games.
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Bored Online posted:Are sylvaneth a hard army to play? I am interested in picking up the spooky tree box. Sylvaneth require a certain amount of attention paid to terrain because a lot of their tricks rely on using overgrown terrain or their wyldwoods. Depending on which way you build, you can go with very powerful elites or hordes of less powerful treeple, but no matter what you're doing you're going for a highly mobile army that wants to play keepaway by using their terrain teleports.
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If I were a fool, and got the SCE half of each edition's starter, and then picked up the SCE box, could I make a decent army out of that?
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Feeple posted:If I were a fool, and got the SCE half of each edition's starter, and then picked up the SCE box, could I make a decent army out of that? I’m also curious about this as I have the SCE half of three different starters waiting for me in my garage.
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That is a tough one - I assume by both starters you mean Soul Wars and Dominion? And with christmas box on top? For 1000 points you can take lord impertant and two squads of annihilators and put them in knights excelsior. From that you can build towards full on annihilator list.Problem with this is that you likely won't use most of the other box contents. If not that you have Yndrasta+vindictors+vanquishers. Grab yourself a Gardus Steel Soul and start building towards Hallowed Knights bunker (based around battleline melee infantry). You can use sequitors from soul wars with this list as well. What this one probably needs is 6 longstrikes to have some damage becuase without it you will be all anvil no hammer. Covermeinsunshine fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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You’d end up with a lot of different battleline units that occupy the same role, too many heroes, and not a lot of the good specialist units, sadly.
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Frankly Soul Wars and Dominion are bad starter sets. SW gives you weird number of minis in each unit while Dominion gives you 4 heroes one of with is special character. There is no reason to double down on it. On the positive side warcry box (one with vindictors and annihilators did help me to build up units I was interested in (its probably hard to get it now tho)
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/09/dawnbringer-previews-peek-at-the-panoply-of-protection-worn-by-the-cities-of-sigmar/ Another Danwbringer preview comes marching out of the dark, this time looking at how armor is going to look.
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Covermeinsunshine posted:Frankly Soul Wars and Dominion are bad starter sets. SW gives you weird number of minis in each unit while Dominion gives you 4 heroes one of with is special character. There is no reason to double down on it. On the positive side warcry box (one with vindictors and annihilators did help me to build up units I was interested in (its probably hard to get it now tho) Maybe I should sell it off or give it to a friend who I know is interested, then, and not feel like I ought to do SCE just because I have some kicking around. Plus Cities of Sigmar seems cool and I like the fact that one army will nevertheless have a variety of styles to keep the painting interesting.
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Muir posted:Maybe I should sell it off or give it to a friend who I know is interested, then, and not feel like I ought to do SCE just because I have some kicking around. Plus Cities of Sigmar seems cool and I like the fact that one army will nevertheless have a variety of styles to keep the painting interesting. I mean Soul Wars is how I started and I remember it fondly but you might try and trade it in. On the other hand in dominion 4 out of 7 units are very much usable - the problem with it they are usable in two completly different lists so unless you are into sce might be a problem. I honestly am tempted to get back into CoS myself for the modeling oportunity but frankly I hate horde armies. But if that is not an issue for you then possibilities are endless - but this is also a trap as currently you can on the core of cos build 5 other armies
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The main thing with Cities is we’re likely to see a massive line revamp next year.
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Covermeinsunshine posted:I mean Soul Wars is how I started and I remember it fondly but you might try and trade it in. On the other hand in dominion 4 out of 7 units are very much usable - the problem with it they are usable in two completly different lists so unless you are into sce might be a problem. Do I recall correctly that some SCE figure into a number of CoS armies? If so, maybe it's better to just keep the SCE I have and use them in a CoS army. Mors Rattus posted:The main thing with Cities is we’re likely to see a massive line revamp next year. I'm not in a rush! It's probably good to know that it's worth waiting for me, actually. I have enough other projects at the moment.
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Muir posted:Do I recall correctly that some SCE figure into a number of CoS armies? If so, maybe it's better to just keep the SCE I have and use them in a CoS army. 1 in 4 units in CoS armies can be SCE - they gain the city keyword but they do not count as battline or can't be generals any more. Same is true for Kharadron in Tempest Eye and Sylvaneth in Living city. In those cases you can have 2 CoS units, KO unit and SCE unit and its all dandy
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Covermeinsunshine posted:1 in 4 units in CoS armies can be SCE - they gain the city keyword but they do not count as battline or can't be generals any more. Same is true for Kharadron in Tempest Eye and Sylvaneth in Living city. In those cases you can have 2 CoS units, KO unit and SCE unit and its all dandy Thanks! Would the SCE units from Dominion and Soul Wars be good candidates for that use case?
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Sadly no - knight incantor is decent wizard but rest of them do not really help you. Units you should probably look out for would be dracoth riders, small dragons, chariots, celestant prime i.e. things that hit fast and hard and do not fold like loundry to counterattack
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On the other hand Dominion + the Kruleboyz battleforce is actually a very solid starter army for them, everything except the foot Killaboss and the Murknob has seen competitive play recently and you're like 1 unit of Boltboyz away from a meta list.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:On the other hand Dominion + the Kruleboyz battleforce is actually a very solid starter army for them, everything except the foot Killaboss and the Murknob has seen competitive play recently and you're like 1 unit of Boltboyz away from a meta list. All right, I guess I'm sold. I'll give my SCE stuff to my friend, start on my Kruleboyz stuff from Dominion and think about Cities of Sigmar when their new stuff hits next year.
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Muir posted:All right, I guess I'm sold. I'll give my SCE stuff to my friend, start on my Kruleboyz stuff from Dominion and think about Cities of Sigmar when their new stuff hits next year. With Dominion costing less than a start collecting online, it is pretty much fool proof.
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Those two Christmas boxes of Kruleboyz and Stormcasts were made to be paired up with their respective Dominion half.
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hey guys I'm researching Age of Sigmar and stuff like that because I'm interesting in the far future to get WarCry, a couple questions:- Are lizardmen considered good guys now? I looked up the lore and they're now part of the 'Order' faction? or is 'Order' morally neutral term in this setting? Do normal human beings exist as units? or is it all golden space marines for the human side? Also, I really really love the high elves minotaur/cattle theme, it really is a super unique look compared with how elves are typically portrayed. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Al-Saqr posted:hey guys I'm researching Age of Sigmar and stuff like that because I'm interesting in the far future to get WarCry, a couple questions:- Strictly speaking, even back in fantasy, Lizardmen were always the good guys! Not necessarily from the perspective of the humans, but they are chaos' oldest enemies.
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Al-Saqr posted:hey guys I'm researching Age of Sigmar and stuff like that because I'm interesting in the far future to get WarCry, a couple questions:- Yeah the Order Grand Alliance is kind of morally neutral. A lot of the factions are "good" (ish), but two key factions within it who aren't are: Daughters of Khaine, fanatic elf blood cultists who worship Morathi and live up to the whole Old World Witch Elf aesthetic of bathing in the blood of sacrificial victims. Idoneth Deepkin, a race of undersea elves who are fundamentally broken at a metaphysical level, resulting in 99% of their children being born without souls and thus have single digit lifespans. They treat this condition by raiding coastal communities to steal souls already in use. That all said, Lizardmen do kind of fit on the more unequivocally "good" side of the Order Grand Alliance. They are still enigmatic weirdos doing Great Plan poo poo, so they do act fickle and weird even towards their allies in the fight against Chaos.
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Ok now I know why Age of Sigmar has such incredible mini's they're really expensive compared to 40k even stuff like warcry is on average far more expensive than a kill team box and expansions. the starter set alone is 400-500 dollars and the expansions and teams are more expensive. Still you get what you pay for and those minis are astoundingly beatiful, but if you're gonna pay that much you might as well actually play age of sigmar itself. Actually holy cow it's like a reverse 40k, getting a big collection of normal Age of Sigmar and factions and terrain is actually far cheaper than trying to assemble a warcry collection! that's crazy! it's like the opposite of 40k!
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Order is mostly "good" on the back of your average elf, dorf or human being just an average joe trying to make it. Even if we are talking deepkin - you average deepkin is just a poo poo farmer that will kick it before he is 30 and even still will likely see his children die before him (unless they get soul grafts)Al-Saqr posted:Ok now I know why Age of Sigmar has such incredible mini's they're really expensive compared to 40k even stuff like warcry is on average far more expensive than a kill team box and expansions. the starter set alone is 400-500 dollars and the expansions and teams are more expensive. Still you get what you pay for and those minis are astoundingly beatiful, but if you're gonna pay that much you might as well actually play age of sigmar itself. The hell are you talking about? All the boxes for AoS are priced the same as 40k boxes. Heart of Ghur was same price as into the dark. Also all the team rulles are online unlike for KT Covermeinsunshine fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Covermeinsunshine posted:Order is mostly "good" on the back of your average elf, dorf or human being just an average joe trying to make it. Even if we are talking deepkin - you average deepkin is just a poo poo farmer that will kick it before he is 30 and even still will likely see his children die before him (unless they get soul grafts) sorry I meant to say that collecting normal AoS is far cheaper than collecting Warcry, while in 40k, getting a decent collection of different factions and scenarios for KT is far cheaper than normal 40k. the worst KT will ever do to you price wise just to start playing and gaming is around 200 dollars, up to 300 if you buy two different squads on top, warcry looks like it will have an asking price of 600 dollars if I tried the same starting collection. maybe I'm super wrong though! I dunno! I'm probably not gonna get into AoS for another year or so, I'll see what the situation is like then.
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thebardyspoon posted:I think War Cry is pretty much the same price as Kill Team as long as you're looking at a current box, it's been going a bit longer than the current Kill Team and is on it's second edition now I think, the latest starter is Heart of Ghur, came out in the summer and that's £90 or thereabouts, in the UK at least, comes with two teams, a board, terrain and all the rules and stuff. You might be looking at an out of print one from before that has much higher prices? ooohhhh I think I understand where my confusion happened, it's because I googled 'Warcry starter set' and got this:- https://www.amazon.com/Games-Workshop-Age-Sigmar-Starter/dp/B07VFKL5QM while the other starter sets like the catacombs and the hearts of ghur are all within normal ranges of 185 bucks or so. I'm a giant moron, all the other starter sets are well within the same price range as Kill team. my bad.
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Eh, not really a stupid thing to do, it's pretty tough with these games to work out what the most recent/best product to get is and google isn't the best at finding info like that I find (it's the worst with videogames that constantly get updated and google insists on finding you info from 5 years ago). I think with War Cry they do the same thing as Kill Team pretty much, Heart of Ghur is a full starter with the full rules for the game and then a supplement with rules for the specific teams in the box and then any subsequent boxes this year will be loosely themed around the same area, with different dudes in it but won't come with the full rules for the game. I quite like the look of some of the Warcry bands, they've got a kinda cargo cult Chaos worshipper but not 100% aware that they are worshipping Chaos vibe going that works better in some cases than a lot of the full Chaos armies where you're just like "why would any normal human join these guys when it's obviously not gonna work out well for you". Obviously the band where you have to skin your own face off to join doesn't apply here though.
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