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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:The mistake was annexing it, not in refusing to fight to the last for territory that's basically impossible to hold. There were commanders urging the leadership to abandon Kherson quite some time ago, but it didn't happen for political reasons, because Putin wanted the popularity/patriotic boost from the annexations to offset the unpopular mobilization order. So what's the point of mobilization then?
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Nov 9, 2022 18:47
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Lostconfused posted:So what's the point of mobilization then? To hold what can be held. The losses on the Kharkhiv front weren't the fault of geography, but inadequate manpower. Even if things are still terrible for Russia going forward (I'm not saying they are, just if they are), they'd be even worse without the mobilization.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:49
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euphronius posted:I mean a lot of these arguments are asking me to posit that Russia is as bad as America and nato and idk about that Why does it matter if one or the other is less bad when they both are clearly bad? Dems being the less bad option has been dropped as a reason to vote for them, and it seems to me a similar argument. If Dems are less bad than Republicans, or vice versa, that isn't an argument to support either. Similarly, even if Russia is less bad than the US or NATO, that isn't an argument to cheer for Russia. Personally, I tend to think of them as both just bad without drawing degrees, but the US and NATO are just more competent at being bad.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:49
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does Russia still operate like it’s the 1500’s where mail takes seven months and you find out you’re losing a war months after it happens because this is the only explanation for the response time of the Russian state to anything
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Nov 9, 2022 18:50
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Ukraine as a whole is way more nationalistic and filled with revanchist sentiment than before, which is about as favorable a condition to Nazis as possible, especially now that Western media are running cover for giving them all the weapons they want instead of acknowledging they're Nazis like they did even a couple years ago. Yeah I can't think of a better environment for nazis and reactionaries than a war torn nation suffering a years long civil war into full blown war with massive civilian casualties on both sides.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:50
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gradenko_2000 posted:If we begin from the premise that Russia called it wrong and started a war that they now realize they cannot win, it is a good thing if they decide to stop throwing good money after bad. Yeah. But I bet they try to hold out for spring and recommit and see if they can achieve something next year.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:51
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Also, I kind of hate to say it, but why give up Kherson city itself? I don’t want to necessarily go all the way to Stalingrad but is it really that impossible for the Russians to keep at least some supply lines to the city even if they are having to do it by ferry? At a certain point you have to make things costly for the enemy and I don’t know if the Ukrainian army is really prepared for urban combat. You can’t win a war without making a few hard choices.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:52
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crepeface posted:Russia's decision not to defend territory that they've officially claimed is really weird. like.... maybe the EU economy is collapsing but it doesn't help the people who you've abandoned. surely maintaining popular support is important?!? We lost whole battalions in 15 minutes over the sanctity of Belgian independence. If this is about the encroachment of a foreign military alliance and repression of your people by a ethnonationalist government, at some point or another you will have to close with and destroy the enemy rather than just shell them and hope the end of the war materializes from that.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:53
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Ardennes posted:Also, I kind of hate to say it, but why give up Kherson city itself? I don’t want to necessarily go all the way to Stalingrad but is it really that impossible for the Russians to keep at least some supply lines to the city even if they are having to do it by ferry? I think it really was impossible to keep supply lines open and they weren't ready to go full 'Azov in defense of Mariupol.' I wouldn't be surprised if morale played a part too, where Russian soldiers who felt like they were fighting for a hopeless outpost without supply might have mutinied. Unlike the Ukrainians, these soldiers aren't fighting for their homes, and increasingly with the conscripts they didn't even sign up for this.
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Nov 9, 2022 18:58
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I guess the Kerch bridge bombing was more effective than it appeared.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:00
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https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1590386981259063296?t=h9tJzo7BRyakE7gn0zF_ig&s=19 Lol Lmao
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Nov 9, 2022 19:03
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Lostconfused posted:I guess the Kerch bridge bombing was more effective than it appeared. It is pretty jacked up and has far less capacity now. Russia has been shipping trains via ferry (which to be fair is how it was done before the bridge existed, but clearly less efficient than full up truck traffic and heavy rail). Supposed to be fixed by July next year.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:03
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Frosted Flake posted:lol @ all this Mickey Mouse bullshit. Is Kherson Russia or not? What was the point of the referendums? It’s one thing to start a war you aren’t resolved to win, but one you aren’t even willing to fight? turns out russia is a real liberal democracy after all.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:07
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Zodium posted:turns out russia is a real liberal democracy after all.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:07
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I think it really was impossible to keep supply lines open and they weren't ready to go full 'Azov in defense of Mariupol.' I wouldn't be surprised if morale played a part too, where Russian soldiers who felt like they were fighting for a hopeless outpost without supply might have mutinied. Unlike the Ukrainians, these soldiers aren't fighting for their homes, and increasingly with the conscripts they didn't even sign up for this. But that is the issue in a nutshell, if there is that little confidence in one’s forces then the other side will eventually start bullying you around. That said, the Ukrainians could start utilizing the same tactics by hitting the road and rail network around Mariupol as well.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:10
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Ukraine is doing its own weird little media campaign. https://twitter.com/SpyTalker/status/1590396102305628161 https://twitter.com/AndriyYermak/status/1590396655144435713
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Nov 9, 2022 19:21
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Zodium posted:turns out russia is a real liberal democracy after all. That’s my sense of it.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:25
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Lostconfused posted:Ukraine is doing its own weird little media campaign. seeing some randos on twitter saying this is the talking point because they dont want anyone to bat an eyelash when they try to blow up the retreating russians as much possible. not that i think they really need an excuse for that
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Nov 9, 2022 19:26
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thats war, unless there was an actual agreement between russia and ukraine, retreating russian troops would still be combatants
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Nov 9, 2022 19:28
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speng31b posted:seeing some randos on twitter saying this is the talking point because they dont want anyone to bat an eyelash when they try to blow up the retreating russians as much possible. not that i think they really need an excuse for that Well if they want to start a fight anyway they should go for it I guess.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:29
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OctaMurk posted:thats war, unless there was an actual agreement between russia and ukraine, retreating russian troops would still be combatants yea, it doesnt make sense to be concerned about it from a rules of war standpoint, but makes a little sense from a "we want everyone to uncritically think of us as the good guys" standpoint. and i guess blowing up retreating russians could involve shelling the city itself, so they may want deniability about that
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Nov 9, 2022 19:30
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Country with soldiers wearing nazi patches wants you to think they're the good guys.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:31
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Lostconfused posted:Country with soldiers wearing nazi patches wants you to think they're the good guys. well....its working
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Nov 9, 2022 19:32
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RIP to the school and kindergarten teachers of kherson. Also al saqr, please shut the gently caress up. You dont get to makes every possible prediction and then act smug when something happens. Youre so loving tedious (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 9, 2022 19:32
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Al-Saqr is my friend and is hardly the most tedious poster here
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Nov 9, 2022 19:34
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It's fine, but it's nice to know about personal biases.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:37
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thatfatkid posted:RIP to the school and kindergarten teachers of kherson. the "xyz SHUT UP" posts are whats actually tedious now preparing for an onslaught of shut up octamurk posts
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Nov 9, 2022 19:39
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63572668.amp yeah, this looks encouraging
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Nov 9, 2022 19:41
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Maybe I should discreetly slip the Russian military attaché our research on Soviet defence doctrine or something because defence of a bridgehead was kind of critical to crossing the 12 major north south rivers of Western Europe. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GCKXZTV8E
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Nov 9, 2022 19:41
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maybe the russians are cedeing kherson for humanitarian reasons i mean its obvious they could've held it if they wanted to
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Nov 9, 2022 19:42
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Not So Fast posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63572668.amp i think that's called partisan action
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Nov 9, 2022 19:43
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Al-Saqr has been pretty consistently anti-Russia since they stalled on taking the Donbass after Mauripol imo. I dunno why the  panic is popular
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Nov 9, 2022 19:43
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Conspiratiorist posted:maybe the russians are cedeing kherson for humanitarian reasons the humanitarian cause being "we dont want to get our supplies cut off and killed here"
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Nov 9, 2022 19:44
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Not So Fast posted:Al-Saqr has been pretty consistently anti-Russia since they stalled on taking the Donbass after Mauripol imo. I dunno why the Hes been anti russia ever since they intervened in syria and prevented it becoming libya 2.0. Hes a oval office (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 9, 2022 19:45
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Conspiratiorist posted:maybe the russians are cedeing kherson for humanitarian reasons if they started the war to stop ukraine genociding russians, then they annexed kherson into russia because it says the people of kherson are russians, then theyre effectively abandoning all those civilians to genocide if they believe themselves
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Nov 9, 2022 19:46
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thatfatkid posted:Hes been anti russia ever since they intervened in syria and prevented it becoming libya 2.0. Hes a oval office I admit that I was wrong to doubt paul soccer.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:47
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I’m just relieved that there will be some variety from Gazala going forward on the subject of tenacity and the importance of committing to defensive battles.  If the Russians could hurry up and blunder a raid on Odessa I won’t have to attend as many lectures on Dieppe moving forward either.
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Nov 9, 2022 19:48
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paulsoccer? Al-Socr
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Nov 9, 2022 19:50
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Not So Fast posted:Al-Saqr has been pretty consistently anti-Russia since they stalled on taking the Donbass after Mauripol imo. I dunno why the al-saqr believes russia should lose but his trusted reference for how the war is going is this thread, which is consistently highly skeptical of russian setbacks to the point of painting a picture of inevitable ukrainian collapse yet here we are
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OctaMurk posted:if they started the war to stop ukraine genociding russians, then they annexed kherson into russia because it says the people of kherson are russians, then theyre effectively abandoning all those civilians to genocide if they believe themselves It’s harebrained in the extreme. We had war plans to fight our way into Quebec to protect the Anglos in the 70’s, and then allegedly plans to storm the bases during the referendums, the UK had plans to invade the Irish Republic should the IRA overwhelm them in the 80’s, and here’s Russia puttering around. If it turns out that we’re the bloodthirsty horde without regard for human life it will be funny, if nothing else.
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