JugbandDude posted:

To me, it shows that CR is gradually distancing himself from the project, or just plain uninterested.

Devs are finally able to make these compromises that may (eventually, in 30 years) result in a real game, without his stupid "vision" getting in the way.

JugbandDude posted:

To me, it shows that CR is gradually distancing himself from the project, or just plain uninterested.

Devs are finally able to make these compromises that may (eventually, in 30 years) result in a real game, without his stupid "vision" getting in the way.

Popete posted:

I think at this point CR will stick around to get SQ42 out and that's it. I don't think he really cares about the PU anymore, once SQ42 is released in 4+ years from now and likely bombs he'll retire or stay on as a figurehead only.

The RSI Galaxy. See comments for more details posted:

Pixelate posted:

Chris is totally still there. Like a frog at the heart of a hallucination...

The latest ship TTK stuff is all part of his plan to have explosive chess tables and exciting argon gameplay and all that.

'Ahhhm, IMAGINE, you.... YOUR... you're struggling to pull on your Faraday Pants. And...like... as your CO-PILOT... who's this big, hairy, flammable guy... is throwing TEVARIN PLANTS into the AIRLOCK...to...to...to...REPRESSURIZE it.'

Mirificus posted:

N00bs as slaves is a good thing, here's why posted:

SC is the 'end game' content of SQ42.
So your citizen has a back story etc.

But what if you skip SQ42?

How about a cutscene showing flashes of a happy life, then slavers attacking a ship, fades to black...

You come round to hear 2 slavers talking to confirm that your memory wipe has taken effect.

Now they put you to work, and through this process you begin to learn the mechanics of the game 1 by 1.

Building up eventually to working with other NPC slaves to escape or activate a rescue beacon for the navy.

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Why should slavery be worse than armed robbey and murder?
I like OPs ide to have slavery as a tutorial to learn the basics of the game for new players.

Im so tired of this woke poo poo..its a game. Give the new players an option to skip the tutorial if they dont want to play as a slave for some minutes.. You could start as a slave to vanduuls or something..

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not to mention that having slavery in a MMO game with black characters can be... delicate, to put it kindly

Non issue. Maybe you're unaware but historically speaking slavery has happened to everyone, it's had a presence in every civilization since the dawn of time. And it still exists today in various forms and locations.

That aside, slavery exists in the world of Star Citizen. Slavery is a sci-fi staple and is present in many huge franchises (Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, Blade Runner, etc.). It's a useful plot point. Overcome the evil / obstacle, etc. The story writes itself.

And of course it's a spaceship videogame staple. EVE Online, Elite Dangerous, Wing Commander, etc.

There's nothing wrong with it here, in SQ42 or Star Citizen. Hell, it would be weird if it wasn't included.

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I really can't understand why people are fighting so hard to get something implemented that adds no tangible value and can only cause problems for the game.

Slavery sure, but not slaving. And besides, slavery can only happen if the slave cooperates.

The benefits for slaving far outweigh the negatives / problems. By a lot. And not just in reference to lore, but when considering gameplay / mechanics.

Players will capture other players and NPCs. And even when taking into account the NPC switch, an NPC is left behind. What happens then? Kill it? Space it? It dematerializes? It makes more sense to close the loop and add a drop off point:

• slaver outposts
  
• no questions asked Hurston employment centers (Bunkers 2.0)
  
• Banu slave markets

Heroes / PMCs also benefit. They can raid slave camps and rescue slaves (just like SQ42). Big hero rep, big payouts.

Also:

• Chris Roberts - If you are sold into slavery, you will need to buy your freedom.
  
• SQ42 - Hero mission, rescue Advocacy agent from slavers
  
• SQ42 - Slavers in multiple venues
  
• PU - Slavers operating in lawless space, some even operating within the UEE on its fringes
  
• PU - Banu style slavery in Banu culture, slave insurance for UEE tourists
  
• PU - Banu slave markets
  
• PU - The mechanics to support slaving are already being worked on (bounty hunting + smuggling). This is arguably the biggest one, as the gameplay required for slaving is being worked on regardless. It's mechanically identical to bounty hunting. It's end-game smuggling.

Also:


When you consider all of this objectively slaving is almost a requirement, an inevitability.

Mirificus posted:

FishMcCool posted:

Fidelitous ship destroyed with deep physics damage model: roll a d100. 1-70 = ship disabled, 71-100 = boom. If boom, more fidelitous d100 physics to decide how much cargo is left over.

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ArmA is not an persistent open world game, etc. I think yes, we should fully expect missions to take not just hours but days, if you count traveling and such. It would only make sense that we'd need to prepare and commit to doing something like that in a game like this... these are not WoW quests where you go "knock it out" and return all in the same session. That mentality has to go...

I mean, yes you will be able to do a few missions one one session, but those are the pizza delivery missions in the same, safe system... or same planet. That'a not the kind you will be able to do across the galaxy.

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Star Citizen is not, nor ever was meant to be a ‘quick fix’ type of game. Chris and company always wanted SC to be a commitment. Not that there won’t be play for casuals. Even in the PU. But that type of play won’t be the norm.

CIG is building Arena Commander and things like Theaters of War for those interested in getting a quick fix.

You can go ahead and stand by your ground. The ground I happen to stand on looks considerably different. I think SC will be a huge success. Specifically because of things like how long it takes to actually plan for, and execute a mission. Or at least missions that have any real value.

There’s nothing about SC that suggests players can achieve their goals in a single one hour session.

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I appreciate your responses... and I really want to have a good discussion about this, because it's an important topic! I'd wager that more than half of my posts on these forums over the past 10 years orbit around this very topic!

I also don't want to do a quote war, because I'm not interested in doing a tit-for-tat thing, but having a more holistic discussion... but there are a couple statements I want to key off of to get there:

The theme I want to focus on here is scope and scale of the world... because I think that's the main difference. Your post seems to be speaking to the idea that we should be able to do all the same things we like from other games, in the same time commitment it takes to do them in other games, despite the scale of the world being infinitely larger.

Should we really be able to wake up, visit a nearby moon, and be back in the same bed in 45 minutes? Isn't that squandering the world CIG is building just a bit?

And that world scale is not just a flex because they can, but it is in and of itself a constraint that will introduce actual gameplay to the mix... it causes player choice in ways other games cannot. Considering operational logistics and cost - choosing the right ship, choosing the crew, how much will all of that cost and -- maybe most importantly -- how do I value the time it will take me away from other things. We have to actually make those choices to actually be successful.

If we can just log in, play, do whatever, and still have the same success in any amount of time we have available, it's going to make everything we do in the world quite meaningless.

To circle back to the short-form content, we should definitely have it... but it should be more along the lines of what we could reasonably expect. Have an hour to play? Well, maybe some delivery missions around ArcCorp between Area 18 and Area 42 are in order. Or if I'm already in space, perhaps a quick mining session to take to the nearest refinery and pick up tomorrow. That sort of thing. I really don't think we should expect to get anywhere in the galaxy any time we want and complete a mission... just because it's out there, and we're short on time?

I think it's not only OK, but absolutely necessary that your objective is sometimes several play sessions away from wherever you are.

I really feel like players don't fully buy into or believe the game CIG is trying to build... because it does have things that will make many gamers go "WTF?". But that's almost entirely the premise of the original pitch, that this is a living/breathing universe where there is risk and reward, including the idea that players have to make choices, and are not entitled to success on their own terms.

Only Kindness posted:

We don't need to theorycraft about Roberts: he will stick around as long as the money is flowing to him for no work and no delivery, and not a second longer. "Release" of SQ42 etc does not factor into it.

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Sandepande posted:

Given how well SC is progressing and how much bullshit they've fed to the backers, and they still boast constantly increasing revenue, I'm not entirely sure how or when it'll end.

Mirificus posted:

4th Stimpire Queen posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Video Games > Star Citizen: slaving is almost a requirement, an inevitability.

4th Stimpire Queen posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Video Games > Star Citizen: slaving is almost a requirement, an inevitability.

hansihinterseer posted:

At this point it will very likely never end. It is in a state where it keeps the backers illusional to have achieved already something that even if stopped today, wasnt in vain, so it can comfortably sit in this eternal debt tech limbo for as long as either the last backer has died or turned away or the costs to keep this running on servers outweigh the income, in case the remaining backers would still continue to convince themselves how great it all was and totally worth it. Like mentally deranged, the point of no return is long behind those.

Mirificus posted:

Sandepande posted:

I'm eternally puzzled by the funding records being broken every year, with no indication that actual human consumers are shoveling a lot of cash into the project. Social media engagement and viewer figures for stuff on YouTube and Twitch are very low for something that supposedly has millions of people interested in it.

Well, if they've managed to gather like 60-70 000 people who are willing to put a hundred €/$/£ into SC per month on average, it could explain it all. And maybe most of the activity happens in places where echo chambers are easy to build.

Sardonik posted:

"No, that still looks too close to the Anaconda, give it more pointless geometry"

orcane posted:

10 years later, I'm still convinced it's a combination. The really loving dumb whales definitely exist, but judging by every other metric there are not nearly enough of them buying sorry I mean donating to get all the best ships, what do you mean P2W there is no "winning" in this game, checkmate goontiflas.
So there has to be more. Money laundering is probably a big one and it's fairly easy on the grey market. And I think some part of the funding tracker is downright fake (or lying by omission), factoring in subsidies and bank loans or just adding up "revenue" from people buying ships, even if they converted older ships and previously bought items and currency.

Sandepande posted:

One of the most interesting bits about this project is that Chris "Healthy lifestyles" Roberts is yet to play the game in public a second time.

orcane posted:

Christ Robbers doesn't need to present any gameplay if he can sit in front of a camera and wave his hands around talking about how (insert industry standard feature with a new name) will be the best thing since sliced bread and also wayyyy better than (namedrop some "recent" hit games) and you can't deduce anything from that because it's 1) not in the game, 2) never being shown by other devs and 3) boss thumb is not playing or showing any interest in playing his own game beyond the buzzwords and PR. And his marks will open their wallets anyway.

Dwesa posted:

that's a big fat lie, FUDster

behold

https://twitter.com/SandiRoberts42/status/1407923579463761922

checkmate, goontiflas

Dwesa posted:

that's a big fat lie, FUDster

behold

https://twitter.com/SandiRoberts42/status/1407923579463761922

checkmate, goontiflas

Sandepande posted:

This is all true, of course. I'm fascinated that such an obvious lack of commitment isn't impacting the figures at all. The figurehead and grand old daddy of the whole project seems more keen on anything besides the project itself.

I suppose it's all about cult stuff and ideology. Identifying with SC (an "underdog" versus the nebulous threat of "big publishers"), the vague promises of the game itself, allowing everyone to imagine whatever they want, and having paid for the privilege, the theorycrafting seems all the more valid. In addition to these there are those who like to think they are the keepers of some secret knowledge, because they know that every other game is crap, but the unwashed gamer masses don't.

Fuckwits.

Mirificus posted:

FishMcCool posted:

Here, I'm partial to:
The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Video Games > Star Citizen: I like OPs ide to have slavery as a tutorial

4th Stimpire Queen posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Video Games > Star Citizen: slaving is almost a requirement, an inevitability.