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Lostconfused posted:Who the hell knows, I am already reading someone getting ready for another siege of Sevastopol. That would require standing and fighting. I would expect in that contingency “…the position was indefensible and so it was thought for the preservation of lives to tactically withdraw to Kerch rather than risk encirclement. It was a difficult situation but…”
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Alpha 1 posted:My takeaway from this debacle is that neoliberal austerity states are incapable of fighting full-scale industrial wars. It doesn't matter what resources they have on paper, because they don't have the capacity mobilize their societies for the fight or demand sacrifices from their people. As soon as Russia crossed the border, it was in the final battle to the death with NATO. Russia needed to mobilize in a way it hasn't mobilized since WW2, but these limitations forced it to fight the way America fought Iraq, with similar results. “According to them, retaining that territory makes little military sense, especially since the Damocles’ sword of Kiev attacking the nearby Kerch Peninsula is hanging over everyone’s heads and could ultimately isolate those of its forces remaining on the Crimean Peninsula in that scenario. With this in mind, the decision was made to start the pullback of their forces from there. Most painful of all, however, is that the region’s eponymous capital will also be evacuated as part of this process. For that reason, Kiev, its Western patrons, and their supporters are wildly celebrating what just happened.”
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Alpha 1 posted:My takeaway from this debacle is that neoliberal austerity states are incapable of fighting full-scale industrial wars. It doesn't matter what resources they have on paper, because they don't have the capacity mobilize their societies for the fight or demand sacrifices from their people. As soon as Russia crossed the border, it was in the final battle to the death with NATO. Russia needed to mobilize in a way it hasn't mobilized since WW2, but these limitations forced it to fight the way America fought Iraq, with similar results. yep.
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Nov 9, 2022 20:54
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once Ukraine occupies Kherson it will be pretty trivial for Russia to auto resolve the occupying army with their Kadyrov doom stack.
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Nov 9, 2022 20:55
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what type of state is ukraine? they have mobilized to a total war footing im gonna get a bunch of replies saying nazi i bet. but really, isnt ukraine basically a neoliberal state
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Nov 9, 2022 20:57
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Alpha 1 posted:
this is what gets me about all the western babies crying over russia's evil oligarchic government - like, we literally constructed their government from the ground up in our image, and just assumed there would always be a yeltsin in charge to be our stooge instead of some actual nationalist getting into power as soon as he could and causing problems. it's us! we did that! they learned it from watching us!!!! OctaMurk posted:what type of state is ukraine? they have mobilized to a total war footing at this point they are a neoliberal zombie colony of the US/EU. if that support ever slows and the IMF etc start expecting some payments on the many debts accumulated the economy collapses immediately the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 21:00 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Nov 9, 2022 20:57
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I am relatively surprised even Kadyrov is okay with it. It seems like it was a big enough deal everyone was actually told to be onboard with it.
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Nov 9, 2022 20:59
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OctaMurk posted:what type of state is ukraine? they have mobilized to a total war footing It’s not Ukraine’s resources mobilizing but the US and EU, certainly by now, so to answer your question “proxy”
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Nov 9, 2022 20:59
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Alpha 1 posted:My takeaway from this debacle is that neoliberal austerity states are incapable of fighting full-scale industrial wars. It doesn't matter what resources they have on paper, because they don't have the capacity mobilize their societies for the fight or demand sacrifices from their people. As soon as Russia crossed the border, it was in the final battle to the death with NATO. Russia needed to mobilize in a way it hasn't mobilized since WW2, but these limitations forced it to fight the way America fought Iraq, with similar results. this was the thought that realists like Mearshiermer and Michael Hudson used to argue why they wouldn’t invade before February 24th so it’s fair it’s coming up again. the biggest difference this time is that russia is still economically relatively fine, and long term the BRICS project is working - they also just mobilized at a significant cost if Progozhin and Kadyrov are aligned with Shoigu and Surovikin, then the entire private and political system of Russia has decided that the L is worth taking for whatever reason
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Nov 9, 2022 21:00
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OctaMurk posted:what type of state is ukraine? they have mobilized to a total war footing its a significantly different situation when you are the one invaded
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Nov 9, 2022 21:00
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Alpha 1 posted:My takeaway from this debacle is that neoliberal austerity states are incapable of fighting full-scale industrial wars. It doesn't matter what resources they have on paper, because they don't have the capacity mobilize their societies for the fight or demand sacrifices from their people. As soon as Russia crossed the border, it was in the final battle to the death with NATO. Russia needed to mobilize in a way it hasn't mobilized since WW2, but these limitations forced it to fight the way America fought Iraq, with similar results. means tested invasion occupation restructuring abandoning underperforming regional markets
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Nov 9, 2022 21:00
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Ardennes posted:I am relatively surprised even Kadyrov is okay with it. It seems like it was a big enough deal everyone was actually told to be onboard with it. Because something like this could cause upheaval. Cabinets have resigned and governments fallen for less. Of course the tradeoff of not being able to mobilize popular support or really even be “at war” is that it’s possible the population doesn’t notice or care. dk2m posted:if Progozhin and Kadyrov are aligned with Shoigu and Surovikin, then the entire private and political system of Russia has decided that the L is worth taking for whatever reason Basically this.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:01
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Ardennes posted:I am relatively surprised even Kadyrov is okay with it. It seems like it was a big enough deal everyone was actually told to be onboard with it. either he's on board with some broader strategy that looks like mania to the rest of us, or the Kremlin has told him to shut the gently caress up and start getting in line
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Nov 9, 2022 21:02
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I checked the Kherson province/state/oblast map, 70-80% of the land is in the west side of the river. Why wouldn't Putin hold the referendum in Kherson. They need to do it if they plan to hold the west side of the river. Maybe Putin is abondoning majority of the population, that's a different story. I also heard an argument that Russia is lacking working population so making people move to Russia proper will also gain some working force..
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Nov 9, 2022 21:02
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Not So Fast posted:sorry your pet dictator got insulted, shithead i dont think that syria should have been flooded with jihadis either
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Nov 9, 2022 21:03
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Frosted Flake posted:That would require standing and fighting. I would expect in that contingency “…the position was indefensible and so it was thought for the preservation of lives to tactically withdraw to Kerch rather than risk encirclement. It was a difficult situation but…” At some point in time it stops being their decision to make.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:03
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speng31b posted:i think it probably has more to do with orchestrating the retreat itself and whether ukraine gets to claim an extra big W by blowing up the russians as they get back over to the east bank a retreat all at once would be a rout so you've got formations in the line of contact fighting and probably trying to hold locations like river crossings for as long as possible
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Nov 9, 2022 21:03
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CongoJack posted:once Ukraine occupies Kherson it will be pretty trivial for Russia to auto resolve the occupying army with their Kadyrov doom stack. what’s going to be so loving funny is what Russia will do once Ukraine actually marches into Crimea from Kherson apparently that’s their red line but Russia loves to saber rattle like they’re NK only for them to quietly back down
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Nov 9, 2022 21:03
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Frosted Flake posted:It’s not Ukraine’s resources mobilizing but the US and EU, certainly by now, so to answer your question “proxy” i dont think this answers it and heres why, op said neoliberal states couldnt demand sacrifices from the people, hence why the usa suffered manpower issues in iraq and now russia in ukraine. yet as many here including you have personally noted in the past, the ukrainians are willing to making shocking sacrifices for victory considering that for much of this war, their primary advantage has been their manpower -- conscripted -- being sent against the jaws of russian artillery they are certainly willing to demand extensive hardship and sacrifice from the people for the sake of the nation.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:07
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dk2m posted:what’s going to be so loving funny is what Russia will do once Ukraine actually marches into Crimea from Kherson Lostconfused posted:There's been multiple red lines crossed and Russia refuses to do anything.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:09
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Lostconfused posted:At some point in time it stops being their decision to make. Shoot me if I ever decide to pull out of a Brigade Box.   
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Nov 9, 2022 21:10
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OctaMurk posted:i dont think this answers it and heres why, lol ironically the answer to that is “nazi”. In lieu of material reasons to rally around the state, a fanatical nationalist ideology will do the trick. That’s the beauty of the ideology, it creates incredibly high stakes and a willingness to fight for the death for blood and soil. Which is why NATO supported it in Ukraine and Georgia after 2008. If you want people to fight for their rotten state, convince them - or the people with guns in charge of the police and military - that it’s a racial holy war against people who would genocide them.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:14
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dk2m posted:being a Russian nationalist today has got be the most embarrassing thing in the world most days tbqh
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Nov 9, 2022 21:16
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If they can't keep kherson supplied because of the kerch bridge, the russians will need to hold melitopol in order to keep crimea because that's their only rail line back to russia. Seems like it would be easy enough for the ukrainians to sabotage that rail line southwest of melitopol and isolate all of crimea from resupply
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Nov 9, 2022 21:17
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Azathoth posted:Why does it matter if one or the other is less bad when they both are clearly bad? becuase one of the arguments was Russia didn’t really want to kill nazis because they are like the country (the USA for example )that is say 10000 evil on a scale and if that country said something similar you would not believe that country. what if Russia is only like 7500 evil. does the analogy or simile in this case still hold ? Russia maybe 10000 evil I’m just exploring the idea euphronius has issued a correction as of 22:20 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Nov 9, 2022 21:19
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lol Rezident is straight up stealing posts.Резидент posted:Советник президента США по нацбезопасности Джейк Салливан на встрече с Владимиром Зеленским в Киеве зондировал почву по поводу дипломатического урегулирования конфликта с Россией. О.К.О. posted:Советник президента США по национальной безопасности Джейк Салливан на встрече с Владимиром Зеленским в Киеве зондировал почву по поводу дипломатического урегулирования конфликта с Россией, сообщает телеканал NBC со ссылкой на источники, знакомые с ходом переговоров. I guess you got to dig deeper for real sources with that account. It's a nice gimmick though, since they seem to fix up some grammar or spelling mistakes.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:20
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dk2m posted:being a Russian nationalist today has got be the most embarrassing thing in the world being a nationalist in general is cringey . . . like lol ur proud of being randomly born on some piece of geography? wtf?
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Nov 9, 2022 21:21
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euphronius posted:becuase one of the arguments was Russia didn’t really want to kill nazis because they are like the country that is say 10000 evil on a scale and if that country said something similar you would not believe that country.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:27
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dieselfruit posted:means tested invasion
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OctaMurk posted:being a nationalist in general is cringey . . . like lol ur proud of being randomly born on some piece of geography? wtf? I know this is the popular line of reasoning among some of the left, particularly absent control of any institutions, but you need people in service to the state to believe in it. Consequently any national institution that requires duty, service and sacrifice requires belief and belonging and that is best grounded in the nation. Why fight under the colours? Because of what the colours represent. It’s distinct from ethnic nationalism of course, but if you don’t believe being “randomly born on some piece of geography” has meaning, you won’t sacrifice for institutions belonging to said geography. You can substitute nationalism for monarchism, international socialism present in one country, a religious purpose, things like that, but you need something to inspire men to go into fire. Nationalism is the easiest to tap into, because if you were to enlist volunteers for international socialism in 2022, you’d be lucky to fill out a battalion.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:28
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how many units of evil does it take to produce one trained nazi at a barracks
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Nov 9, 2022 21:29
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Hatebag posted:If they can't keep kherson supplied because of the kerch bridge, the russians will need to hold melitopol in order to keep crimea because that's their only rail line back to russia. Seems like it would be easy enough for the ukrainians to sabotage that rail line southwest of melitopol and isolate all of crimea from resupply In all honesty, I think it was probably the bridges of the Dnieper itself that were the main issue rather than Kerch. Kerch is seeing some back up because it is only partially operational but most of the bridges over the Dnieper have been taken out. That said, hitting the lines through Mariupol would complicate things for Russia immensely. The question really is if the Ukrainians are just going to keep on picking at the Russians without any real pushback.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:30
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speng31b posted:how many units of evil does it take to produce one trained nazi at a barracks 14 minerals and 88 gas
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Nov 9, 2022 21:30
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A capitalist country is not going to invade another country because of ideology or humanitarian intentions, that's fuckin ridiculous. A capitalist country invades another country because the rich people in that country think it will benefit them personally so they sacrifice other people's lives for money
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Nov 9, 2022 21:31
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quote:🇷🇺⚡ Surovikin: everyone in the Kherson region, and this is more than 115 thousand people, left the combat area that must include civilians too? were there really 115k russian/DLPR troops?
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Nov 9, 2022 21:32
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Ardennes posted:In all honesty, I think it was probably the bridges of the Dnieper itself that were the main issue rather than Kerch. Kerch is seeing some back up because it is only partially operational but most of the bridges over the Dnieper have been taken out. Yeah there's 2 bridges over the dneiper in russian held territory at kherson and nova kakhova, I'm not sure of their condition. I figured that was too tight of a choke on their supplies and easily sabotaged. I figured that's why they're falling back from kherson, to defend against attacks on melitopol and subsequently crimea
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Nov 9, 2022 21:33
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OctaMurk posted:what type of state is ukraine? they have mobilized to a total war footing ukraine is a nation-state in the mold of pre-ww2 countries that the ukrainian ruling class is transforming into a neoliberal state by privatizing everything and selling the working class in order to get the western bourgeoisie to finance their defense, much like the other nato-aligned eastern european states have done over the last 30 years.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:33
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dk2m posted:that must include civilians too? were there really 115k russian/DLPR troops? Oblast/region includes the big chunk east of the Dnieper; or it could be civilians and troops since the last count of Russian troops was ~40k. Danann has issued a correction as of 21:38 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Nov 9, 2022 21:35
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Ardennes posted:In all honesty, I think it was the bridges of the Dnieper itself that were the issue rather than Kerch. Kerch is seeing some back up because it is only partially operational but most of the bridges over the Dnieper have been taken out. Kherson had been occupied long enough for combat engineers to erect not just pontoons but honest to God concrete bridges. This is a leadership failure pure and simple. On 26th March 1945 alone, in the area of responsibility of the British Second Army British and Canadian sappers erected a Class 9 bridge "Waterloo Bridge" at 0100 hours and a Class 15 bridge "Lambeth Bridge" at 0830 hours. Meanwhile the construction of an even larger Class 40 bridge "London Bridge" continued and was completed by midnight. On the 28th, British sappers built another Rhine bridge, "Blackfriars", by noon. The following day, British sappers built another Rhine bridge, "Westminster".  That was all done under continuous fire and counterattacks from the Wehrmacht. Russia couldn’t put up bridges in a rear area over 8 months?
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Lol that Russia has waited for USA elections to announce this withdrawal. My hot take is they've had this in the works for a while but didn't want to give the Dems a win. I think you all are making too much of it tbh, all it means is that Odessa is off the table for at least the near future. If Russia wants a lasting peace they're not stopping until they have more of a buffer zone around Donetsk city. I also think you all are forgetting Russia's major territorial gain of this war, the land bridge to Crimea. This conflict back to 2014 has been mostly about Sevastopol and now they have a much more robust water supply. dk2m posted:"Russia will have again preserved its manpower and equipment while Ukraine is forced to stretch out and expose its forces further at a time they are unable to replace both trained manpower and heavy weapons." What? Ukraine gets to make use of the natural fortification of the river too. dk2m posted:what’s going to be so loving funny is what Russia will do once Ukraine actually marches into Crimea from Kherson They will come from Zaporizhzhia city if they march to Crimea. Alpha 1 posted:My takeaway from this debacle is that neoliberal austerity states are incapable of fighting full-scale industrial wars. It doesn't matter what resources they have on paper, because they don't have the capacity mobilize their societies for the fight or demand sacrifices from their people. As soon as Russia crossed the border, it was in the final battle to the death with NATO. Russia needed to mobilize in a way it hasn't mobilized since WW2, but these limitations forced it to fight the way America fought Iraq, with similar results. I think Russia could mobilize more but chooses not to. This is not a final battle to the death, it is a fight for a peripheral territory. If Russia is completely expelled from Ukraine including Sevastopol it is a big loss but Russia continues existing as a powerful(ish) entity. Genuinely threaten it's continued existence and you will see a multi million person army and car factories converted to arms factories again. Frosted Flake posted:Greece is the Fourth Rome, long live Greece, I guess. Greece was the second Rome. fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1590089376138416128?s=20&t=xGwBuGCwN1b8PK1DPg_m2A Zelenskiy: Hi Sean nice to meet you Sean: Nice to see you again
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