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zoux posted:Next ep is supposed to be an interlude one right? I would not be surprised to see Kino in the Razer Torture Gaming Headset at the hands of Dedra next episode, and revealing that Keev was Casssian. Robot Style posted:I think it's straight into the final arc - there's only 2 episodes left, both directed by Benjamin Caron. Yea, 2 part finale!! Its written by Tony Gilroy too Jerkface fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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The prison break could've been so much worse. I worried that closing the hydro gens would've immediately started sinking the prison and you'd start seeing those lights go out as people drowned. Also, for as many people who creepily lauded how "well-designed" the prison was, leave it to the Empire to foster unit cohesion and loyalty amongst prisoners to the point where every prisoner, regardless of room, had a kinship and knew how to handle themselves. Also, pretty sure the reason New Guy was so down from the jump is that he was another "recycle." BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Okay, someone mentioning that this was originally planned as 4 and is now compressed into 2 during/after production of this season makes a whole lot of sense. Because like, really. 1-5 could and honestly should have been like 2 1/2 episodes. Little would be lost and you'd get to the really interesting stuff going on and sequential bangers in the back half. Prison arc was totally right in terms of length, and I haven't felt any of the other arcs drag like they did in the front half. Skars' speech at the end did seem practiced. Guy switches identities, and is basically always 'on' in terms of putting on a show, convincing people to take the paths he wants. Is shown to be an expert at this. The only bit in that whole monologue wrt himself that I can be like ' yeah, that's likely fully true' is what he says did with his mind. Assuming his mind wasn't always just like that anyway. He's keeping his piece in play. If he's willing to sacrifice dudes so callously, no way is he letting this increasingly nervous double agent get any kind of true insight to who he is. That's not how you play the game he's playing.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The prison break could've been so much worse. I worried that closing the hydro gens would've immediately started sinking the prison and you'd start seeing those lights go out as people drowned. that or he was a real sicko  like man you don't even wanna know what he did
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evenworse username posted:I kind of hope we never see Kino again (despite how good the actor is). That moment with him on the landing pad, stopping because he can't swim, and Cassian getting pushed over the edge before he can figure out what to do about it is so good. I think it's more effective to leave us wondering if he ended up jumping in to try to make it, if he found another way to get away, went back to blast the rest of the guards ... we just don't know. Yeah just have an ISB goon go "okay so X number escaped, Y died, Z were recaptured" and never establish who made it out (except Cassian and Melshi, obviously)
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chrome line posted:Pretty neat interview with some of the production team about the process of creating the prison, as well as some of the writing decisions in this arc. Take that, everyone who said they were making parts to have them disassembled on another floor.
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just like they'll never show us what they were making on the assembly line, i think it's better storytelling and does kino's character more of a service if we never see him again
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i say swears online posted:just like they'll never show us what they were making on the assembly line, i think it's better storytelling and does kino's character more of a service if we never see him again Its wild that Andy Serkis just barreled his way into this show as a midseason guest character for 3 episodes and gave us a full, satisfying, complete, tragic story arc. Him deciding to lead the revolution knowing he wouldn't be able to get out at the end and Cass getting knocked down before he has a chance to do anything about it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. https://www.slashfilm.com/1090142/a...sive-interview/ Also here is another article on the VFX, this time for Aldhani
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evenworse username posted:I kind of hope we never see Kino again (despite how good the actor is). That moment with him on the landing pad, stopping because he can't swim, and Cassian getting pushed over the edge before he can figure out what to do about it is so good. I think it's more effective to leave us wondering if he ended up jumping in to try to make it, if he found another way to get away, went back to blast the rest of the guards ... we just don't know. Agreed. I don't need a comic book or side novel about the further adventures of Kino. I see it as he got what he wanted,freedom even if its momentary, and paralleling Luthen's speech he's planted the tree he will never see by helping people get free as well. Someone mention that the Rebel uniforms in the original trilogy looks closely like the prison uniform and one can see it the Rebel taking it as inspiration as their battle dress, kinda like the sans-culottes. Kino could be one of the unsung hero's the Rebellion the galaxy will never know of,who provided fresh recruits with a jail break. At one point he was smiling/holding back laughter when he said he couldn't swim. Quixotic1 fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Stellan Skarsgard really is one of the best living actors. Its impressive how he made a simple dialogue scene easily the most compelling part of an extended prison break sequence episode.
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evenworse username posted:I kind of hope we never see Kino again (despite how good the actor is). That moment with him on the landing pad, stopping because he can't swim, and Cassian getting pushed over the edge before he can figure out what to do about it is so good. I think it's more effective to leave us wondering if he ended up jumping in to try to make it, if he found another way to get away, went back to blast the rest of the guards ... we just don't know. I think it's really important to his character arc that he just ends then and there. He's been saying "one way out" since the start of the prison break; he decided to help all his fellow prisoners escape knowing that he couldn't do the same. It would cheapen his brilliant but brief arc to find out that he somehow got out after all—that he "earned" a happy ending. Andor is not that kind of show, and I think it's the better for it
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Everyone here who has been blown away by Skarsgard (and the production design) has seen Chernobyl, yes?
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zoux posted:Everyone here who has been blown away by Skarsgard (and the production design) has seen Chernobyl, yes? Yeah. It's not great, not terrible.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Yeah. I had mixed feelings about it on the whole but it'd 100% worth watching just for Skarsgard and Jared Harris
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zoux posted:Everyone here who has been blown away by Skarsgard (and the production design) has seen Chernobyl, yes? Everyone who has been blown away by Skarsgård would also describe Tupolev's crew in The Hunt for Red October.
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He was a bit of an arrogant rear end in that movie
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Owlbear Camus posted:Yeah.
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Lobok posted:Everyone who has been blown away by Skarsgård would also describe Tupolev's crew in The Hunt for Red October. I wish they'd kept the book ending where Red October dispatches the Konovalov by *ramming* it.
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Yeah but have y'all seen Skarsgard in the Thor movies?
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everyone quote editing the guy saying chernobyl not great, not terrible obv needs to rewatch it again lol
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Jerkface posted:"And what do you sacrifice?" I was listening to his speech and just couldn't help myself but compare this 'realistic' Rebellion with the OG trilogy Rebellion (and dying of laughter in my inner mind as end result), where the Deaths Stars are basically destroyed by the hands a few plucky adventurers: a princess with attitude, a smuggler with a heart of gold and a starry-eyed young hero. The contrasts is just. too. much.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I wish they'd kept the book ending where Red October dispatches the Konovalov by *ramming* it. Like when DeNiro tackles Skarsgård over the railing in Ronin!
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They only allude to it in the episode but Luthen calls Lonni's double agency "epic" and its meant in the literary sense and lmao there is an entire other prestige tv show just happening in the background of Andor where this guy is living his double life in the very heart of the imperial spy apparatus.
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Jerkface posted:They only allude to it in the episode but Luthen calls Lonni's double agency "epic" and its meant in the literary sense and lmao there is an entire other prestige tv show just happening in the background of Andor where this guy is living his double life in the very heart of the imperial spy apparatus. I would 100% watch the spinoff Tinker Tailor Stormtrooper Spy
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Even the wife is impressed. She did bring up a good point though. Why no alien prisoners? Lord knows the empire are just space republicans so we know that they are racist. Small details. The only other thing so far from the whole season that kinda made me go uhhh was the cutting of the water pipe, especially when he is really giving it to it at the end, even with the working going on you'd think someone might hear. Sorry to nitpick. I went to suggested after going back to the menu and saw Obi Wan. I forgot that loving show came out. I was apologetic of Boba Fett but it wasn't really close to Mando and this blows Mando out of the galaxy all together. Everyone is doing loving great, but imagine if this kind of writing was on offer when we had Cushing, Guiness and Lee to work with. Ultimate glass half empty take, but it just rubs more salt in the wounds of the prequels and basically everything else post RotJ, how much better it could have been.
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codo27 posted:Even the wife is impressed. She did bring up a good point though. Why no alien prisoners? Lord knows the empire are just space republicans so we know that they are racist. Small details. From a production standpoint, for the tone they are going for you are really rolling the dice once you start having the affecting, incredible dialogue scenes and one guy is in a rubber monster mask. From an in-universe standpoint, segregation is not only the implicit Imperial policy for racist reasons, it makes "practical" utilitarian sense for a labor facility. You don't have to make any accommodations for fins or flippers or three fingers or 3 meter tall creatures if you build your prison strictly for humans. I simply assume all of the non-humans are at different, worse labor camps.
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codo27 posted:The only other thing so far from the whole season that kinda made me go uhhh was the cutting of the water pipe, especially when he is really giving it to it at the end, even with the working going on you'd think someone might hear. Sorry to nitpick. the whole point is that it's impossible for the guards to pay attention to everything. they'd only notice if he overstayed his bathroom break similar to college jobs where I'd go smoke weed in my car but I was never late
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codo27 posted:Why no alien prisoners? Lord knows the empire are just space republicans so we know that they are racist. Small details. They divided up people by home planet before sending them off in the prison transports. Having only humans means you only have to stock human gruel, they only have to calibrate the floors for human bodies, and the prison cubicles only need human toilets. All the tools are on a human scale and it's all designed around the individuals being replaceable identical cogs.
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codo27 posted:Even the wife is impressed. She did bring up a good point though. Why no alien prisoners? Lord knows the empire are just space republicans so we know that they are racist. Small details. Industrial genocide at worst. It's supposedly easy to dismiss by the general populace once it is setup like a factory out of sight if anecdotes from Nazi Germany are worth anything. Their racism probably would delegate non-humans to more menial physical labor such as mining in the best case. So, the cheery thought being that the hell we became acquainted with was merely one of the lesser ones in that scenario. lol. lmao.
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I second the goon who wants Kino left in a superposition where the soft hearted can imagine him somehow still getting away, and others can shed a tear at that thematically perfect self-sacrifice. Sadly I don't think people like ambiguity and even if Gilroy does that, some dickhead will make a comic book about him surviving and becoming glup shitto's stepfather.
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Owlbear Camus posted:I second the goon who wants Kino left in a superposition where the soft hearted can imagine him somehow still getting away, and others can shed a tear at that thematically perfect self-sacrifice. Sadly I don't think people like ambiguity and even if Gilroy does that, some dickhead will make a comic book about him surviving and becoming glup shitto's stepfather. as long as it's not in the next fourteen episodes i'm cool with it
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The best thing about Kino is that if you're of darkest mind you can imagine he is left behind, giving himself up for the freedom of others. Or worse, dives in anyways and dies in the water. The optimistic can go back to his speech, about seeing the lost and confused and to help them push forward, and imagine the prisoners doing the same for him at that moment and pulling him to shore. I hope we never see him again in a million years.
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It's honestly shocking the slop we've been putting up with. Andor is going to ruin the next 5 Disney Star Wars shows for me unless the rest step their game up.
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Owlbear Camus posted:From a production standpoint, for the tone they are going for you are really rolling the dice once you start having the affecting, incredible dialogue scenes and one guy is in a rubber monster mask. This, and also the series is being faithful to the original movies. In A New Hope there wasn't much alien representation in the Empire or Rebellion. Are there any in that scene explaining the mission against the Death Star? Chewie is an alien obviously but isn't really a Rebel until the end.
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