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Nov 9, 2022 21:56
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HootTheOwl posted:11/20 News flash: The leader has been captured! What
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Nov 9, 2022 21:58
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Wrong thread
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Nov 9, 2022 22:10
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JawnV6 posted:I did want to ask: what do y'all do with Limited event cards after the fact? I pulled exactly 1 card that scanned for over $5 (Vesuvan Duplimancy) over the DMU drafts I did, but even getting cash out of that seems easier to do at my LGS with more hardcore players than anything more involved. Hoard them until you can sleep on a thick room-covering mound of cards like a dragon I do actually hang on to quite a bit but it depends what you want out of it - I generally keep rates/mythics/uncommons even if they’re bulk and periodically purge my draft chaff when it fills up too many long boxes through sale or donation
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Nov 9, 2022 22:27
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I wonder if LR is going to mention that FTX is essentially defunct when they do the embarrassing ad reads moving forward.
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Nov 9, 2022 22:38
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I don't think I've thrown away any Magic cards. I have thousands of them in longboxes in the closet, sorted by color. For a long time I thought I'd like donate them to a school gaming club or something so kids could make janky decks to play with.
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Nov 9, 2022 22:43
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Yeah. Kids love draft chaff, that's where mine goes.
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Nov 9, 2022 22:57
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The Arena early access is FIVE FULL DAYS before the set goes live for everyone? That is crap.
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Nov 9, 2022 23:00
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I keep my draft chaff like a Dickensian villain
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Nov 9, 2022 23:02
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My lgs used to do a cool thing with their bulk by making repacks that were structured much like mystery boosters - two cards of each color, a multicolored / artifact / land card, and than a "face" card that was either a powerful common (eg. a lightning bolt) or a bulk rare. They would sell them at a once yearly event called "shandalar" where you would get 6 repacks for signing up, make a 40 card deck, and then fight preconstructed monster decks to win tokens that you could exchange for more repacks, packs of standard boosters, or specific cards to improve your deck - once you felt like your deck was strong enough you teamed up with two other people to fight Bosses - 3 vs 1 archenemy style battles each themed around some non magic property (kinda like universes beyond heh - I specifically remember a LOTR themed boss). It was a highlight of the year and I hope it comes back eventually.
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Nov 9, 2022 23:07
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I wonder if LR is going to mention that FTX is essentially defunct when they do the embarrassing ad reads moving forward. Yeah their resources are pretty limited rn
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Nov 9, 2022 23:08
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Yeah. Kids love draft chaff, that's where mine goes. can confirm, response has been pretty good every time I've donated mine to the club at a school one of my friends teaches at especially because by the time you get around to cleaning your long boxes out most of the cards are generally "old" enough to be weird/interesting/novel
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Nov 9, 2022 23:08
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tinaun posted:My lgs used to do a cool thing with their bulk by making repacks that were structured much like mystery boosters - two cards of each color, a multicolored / artifact / land card, and than a "face" card that was either a powerful common (eg. a lightning bolt) or a bulk rare. They would sell them at a once yearly event called "shandalar" where you would get 6 repacks for signing up, make a 40 card deck, and then fight preconstructed monster decks to win tokens that you could exchange for more repacks, packs of standard boosters, or specific cards to improve your deck - once you felt like your deck was strong enough you teamed up with two other people to fight Bosses - 3 vs 1 archenemy style battles each themed around some non magic property (kinda like universes beyond heh - I specifically remember a LOTR themed boss). Oh man, that's an incredibly cool idea
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Nov 9, 2022 23:09
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mcmagic posted:The Arena early access is FIVE FULL DAYS before the set goes live for everyone? That is crap. What if magic wasn't run people who weren't dumb? gently caress, things could have been so loving rad.
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Nov 9, 2022 23:24
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quote:CHANGE TO RELEASE TIMING i do know paper players were grumbly about arena getting to play the cards first, which explains the change i guess.
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Nov 9, 2022 23:28
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Whatever bulk I don't keep for my personal collection, I give to new players at the store or donate to https://magikids.org. I've been putting together pauper commander decks to give to people who see us playing at the store and want to join in but don't have a deck. EDIT: also, if anybody has any non-English bulk that they are looking to rehome someplace other than a recycling bin, I would be happy to take it off your hands for the cost of shipping. I brought my Drake fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Nov 9, 2022 23:37
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I wonder if LR is going to mention that FTX is essentially defunct when they do the embarrassing ad reads moving forward. Been cracking up at this and the planned integration of it into Storybook Brawl all day reading the FTX stuff.
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Nov 9, 2022 23:59
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I'm picking up copy of phyrexian arena on card sphere and the seller messaged me with saying they had one that was SP and would send it if I was cool with the condition. The pictures aren't amazingly clear but nothing too bad except there isn't the L shaped red dot pattern in the green mana symbol. So I grab a card I know I pulled from a pack and there aren't any red dots either, or on another random card or another. So I grab one from another set and still no dots. In fact none of the cards I randomly grabbed from 3 or 4 sets have any. If you are curious. So I look into it a little more and if there are random red dots that indicates a failure of the test but how ubiquitous is that L shaped pattern if non of my legit cards have it. Or am I finally finding out that I am red/green colour blind. Edit: Fake cards and how to check for them. MasterBuilder fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 01:58
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MasterBuilder posted:I'm picking up copy of phyrexian arena on card sphere and the seller messaged me with saying they had one that was SP and would send it if I was cool with the condition. The pictures aren't amazingly clear but nothing too bad except there isn't the L shaped red dot pattern in the green mana symbol. So I grab a card I know I pulled from a pack and there aren't any red dots either, or on another random card or another. So I grab one from another set and still no dots. In fact none of the cards I randomly grabbed from 3 or 4 sets have any. If you are curious. I have literally no idea what you are talking about
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Nov 10, 2022 02:03
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GonSmithe posted:Been cracking up at this and the planned integration of it into Storybook Brawl all day reading the FTX stuff. OMG I forgot about that. Did LSV cash out at the perfect time? lol
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Nov 10, 2022 02:15
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MasterBuilder posted:I'm picking up copy of phyrexian arena on card sphere and the seller messaged me with saying they had one that was SP and would send it if I was cool with the condition. The pictures aren't amazingly clear but nothing too bad except there isn't the L shaped red dot pattern in the green mana symbol. So I grab a card I know I pulled from a pack and there aren't any red dots either, or on another random card or another. So I grab one from another set and still no dots. In fact none of the cards I randomly grabbed from 3 or 4 sets have any. If you are curious. I'm not an expert on this so I cannot guarantee that I'm right, but I did start reading pretty deeply into this when I started buying expensive cards from people on facebook: Those dots are very hard to see without a loupe. The L isn't the end-all-be-all of card verification on its own, either, but it's a good place to start. I don't really see the red L in the green dot either in those pictures, but what I do see in those pictures is that the black ink (which gets printed onto the card after everything else) looks solid and dark, and what I can see of the rosettes looks pretty consistent, which is a good thing. Also, just in general, pick up a loupe. Even if you don't use it often, they're useful little things to have when you need them and they're not expensive. Part of me wants to say "Phyrexian Arena isn't an expensive enough card for people to make counterfeits of", but counterfeits in general do seem to be a lot more easily accessible these days, as some people in this thread who intentionally buy them would lead one to believe. tl;dr: I think it's probably okay but don't quote me on it 
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Nov 10, 2022 02:20
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The card printing quality these days basically requires loupes to really know. If anything, it’s sometimes easier to spot a fake these days because she cardstock is too good. They sell foil version of modern cards with the holo sticker that are totally flat. They stay flat. This should be a big red flag they aren’t legit.
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Nov 10, 2022 02:23
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i'm not going to 100% say its fake but if only those pictures to go by, i don't know if its a true missing red dots printing. i have a bunch of "Second Chance"'s from Urza's Legacy that are missing the red dots, but I'm not sure if they fixed this by Apocalypse or not. Shine a bright light through the card. If you can see the light through the card from the other side that's another bit of "proof" that it's legit. Edit: to be clear i'm not saying its def a fake. if you can't shine a light through though i would start getting suspicious. red dot stuff isn't easy to see over the internet
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Nov 10, 2022 02:30
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lol @ going through the trouble to make a fake 10 dollar card.
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Nov 10, 2022 02:33
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Strong Sauce posted:i'm not going to 100% say its fake but if only those pictures to go by, i don't know if its a true missing red dots printing. i have a bunch of "Second Chance"'s from Urza's Legacy that are missing the red dots, but I'm not sure if they fixed this by Apocalypse or not. yeah this, while there is some inconsistency in the transparency of actual MtG cards the light test is one of the quickest ways to tell if a card isn't legitimate and what I'd go with way before busting out a loupe for every single card (especially given inconsistent print quality over the years + always having your cell phone on hand as a light source) note that the light will still shine through black core proxies/counterfeits, it'll just be notably dimmer and tinted differently than real cards (how much varies based on when the real card was printed but its usually obvious and if in doubt it's usually not hard to find something of a comparable vintage) and ofc it only works for black core proxies (which to be fair are by far the most common ones out there) so do consider alternate forms of verification (loupe included) if you're buying like OG duals or something Framboise posted:Part of me wants to say "Phyrexian Arena isn't an expensive enough card for people to make counterfeits of", but counterfeits in general do seem to be a lot more easily accessible these days, as some people in this thread who intentionally buy them would lead one to believe. mcmagic posted:lol @ going through the trouble to make a fake 10 dollar card. counterfeits of phyrexian arena definitely exist, in both holo and non-holofoil versions (at least per easily found product catalogs) $10 is around the threshold where counterfeits seem to get created, and you've got to remember that these printers have been in business for a long while so any given card only being $10 (or less) now didn't mean it wasn't worth the effort of setting up a print run in the past/keeping the capacity, and while $10 seems so "low" for a magic card that it wouldn't be worth the bother, $10 is objectively quite a lot to pay for a small piece of printed cardboard legitimate custom card printers are like $0.20/card for one-off orders and go down to the $0.01-$0.02/card range when you're ordering in quantity, and (rarity aside) the retail price of MtG packs is like ~$0.26/card, so if you've got even remotely comparable production prices and you can persuade enough people to give you $1-3/card you're probably doing quite well for yourself LGD fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 03:20
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Yeah only the first two pictures are cards from the seller and I don't have the card in hand yet to verify. The rest are cell phone pics from random cards I own in arms reach. I don't necessarily think the card is fake I just thought the dots were more via blue before I actually looked into it.
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Nov 10, 2022 03:27
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Standard was my favorite format. Wizards has stopped putting out precon standard decks, outside the standard challenger decks which have been a mixed product at best. Those decks are the gateway point for many new players in Magic. Instead they put out largely precon Commander decks now, so most players getting into the game play commander instead.
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Nov 10, 2022 03:34
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Somberbrero posted:Standard was my favorite format. Wizards has stopped putting out precon standard decks, outside the standard challenger decks which have been a mixed product at best. Those decks are the gateway point for many new players in Magic. Instead they put out largely precon Commander decks now, so most players getting into the game play commander instead.
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Nov 10, 2022 03:43
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Somberbrero posted:Standard was my favorite format. Wizards has stopped putting out precon standard decks, outside the standard challenger decks which have been a mixed product at best. Those decks are the gateway point for many new players in Magic. Instead they put out largely precon Commander decks now, so most players getting into the game play commander instead. I mean yeah, but that's only one of like a literal dozen things Wizards has done to de-emphasize and reduce demand for Standard over the last few years, to the point that it's baffling/off putting anyone at Wizards would feign confusion as to why its happened and to be fair Forsythe's post wasn't really doing that, just asking for community feedback as to why it happened which could just as easily be to get a read on public sentiment or to get evidence to prove a point internally/etc. frankly paper Standard's death spiral seems very difficult to arrest without a pretty significant investment and course change on WotC's part
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Nov 10, 2022 03:52
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I wonder if LR is going to mention that FTX is essentially defunct when they do the embarrassing ad reads moving forward. Oh my god I completely forgot that lsv started shilling for crypto bux
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Nov 10, 2022 05:28
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aren't the standard challenger decks essentially the standard precons ?
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Nov 10, 2022 05:48
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Lone Goat posted:Jumpstart has replaced the Standard precons New players don't understand what jumpstart is unless they're coming directly from arena, in my experience. Explaining the difference between draft boosters and jumpstart boosters, it's hard to make a compelling argument why one costs more.
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Nov 10, 2022 07:31
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Somberbrero posted:New players don't understand what jumpstart is unless they're coming directly from arena, in my experience. Explaining the difference between draft boosters and jumpstart boosters, it's hard to make a compelling argument why one costs more. When I started playing with 8th Edition/Mirrodin being current, I got a core set precon deck for every color and played with those for hours, usually by myself - every color against every color, seeing their strengths and weaknesses and matchups, and eventually I'd start mixing them, making a GR deck, a BW deck, and playing those against each other, and so on. It was really cool! That showed me that I really like setting up small synergy engines, so I knew exactly what Mirrodin precon I wanted - the Rakdos sacrifice one, because I was super into the idea of saccing a Myr Retriever to get back another, making the opp lose a life with Disciple of the Vault, and growing my Megatog. So I bought that, and kept improving it with random cards from drafts and such. I think that was a great way to get into Magic! I did pretty much the same thing on Arena - the color challenge decks are super basic and they taught me the mechanics (in this case, how to use Arena, not how to play Magic), then I got a selection of precons for free, I chose the one I liked the most (Rakdos treasures, incidentally) and went from there. I don't know why they don't offer this in paper? Like, I'm probably not going to start playing paper, but idk if someone was like "hey I think I want to play Magic, can you introduce me" I'd tell them "sure buddy" and would pick out a precon for them, and myself, and then we'd kitchen table that poo poo.
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Nov 10, 2022 11:44
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Somberbrero posted:Explaining the difference between draft boosters and jumpstart boosters, it's hard to make a compelling argument why one costs more. Draft boosters have 15 cards, jumpstart boosters have 20.
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Nov 10, 2022 13:18
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Lone Goat posted:Draft boosters have 15 cards, jumpstart boosters have 20. Also, the contents of the Jumpstart packs are preset to match the theme of the pack, with only one rare in each pack being random. Draft boosters are completely randomized. Here's the contents of the pack for The Brothers' War Jumpstart pack, for example.
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Nov 10, 2022 14:53
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Strong Sauce posted:i'm not going to 100% say its fake but if only those pictures to go by, i don't know if its a true missing red dots printing. i have a bunch of "Second Chance"'s from Urza's Legacy that are missing the red dots, but I'm not sure if they fixed this by Apocalypse or not. Reading this really shat me up when I was selling my foil grim Monolith, so important note that I found out: the light test doesn't really work for foils.
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Nov 10, 2022 14:59
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W.T. Fits posted:Also, the contents of the Jumpstart packs are preset to match the theme of the pack, with only one rare in each pack being random. Draft boosters are completely randomized. Yeah they have two rares per booster, so it is extremely easy to "make a compelling argument why one costs more."
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Nov 10, 2022 15:11
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Lone Goat posted:Draft boosters have 15 cards, jumpstart boosters have 20. Lone Goat posted:Yeah they have two rares per booster, so it is extremely easy to "make a compelling argument why one costs more."
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Nov 10, 2022 16:18
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Sickening posted:They sell foil version of modern cards with the holo sticker that are totally flat. They stay flat. This should be a big red flag they aren’t legit. Suddenly I am very much in favor of counterfeit cards. 
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Nov 10, 2022 18:07
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Vidmaster posted:Suddenly I am very much in favor of counterfeit cards. The counterfeit world has specialized in "sets" of cards for almost a decade now. Commander players can acquire pretty great stuff for less than 2 bucks a card. The list of foils is loving massive. Judge foils, borderless foils, you loving name it. They have even started printing the expensive tokens nobody can find anymore for less than 30 bucks.
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